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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The CORE of reproductive choice is that it is the pregnant woman who needs to be the one to make the damn call about her own body. Your "similar vein" issues are, almost to the one, completely fucking different animals.
I do believe that people need to have the right to control their own damn bodies and their own choices, insofar as they don't impact other people- other people who don't depend on residing inside their body for survival, that is. (Yes, before you launch into the inevitable sidebar telling me that a clump of fetal cells is the same thing as a "baby" and a "person"... Whether or not one agrees with that assessment, the fact remains that that "person" is wholly dependent upon residing INSIDE the body of another for survival, and as such laws restricting womens' choice amount to the government forcing women to use their bodies as incubators, against their will)
So, to answer your questions:
Totally fucking irrelevant. If guns were only capable of shooting the person who owned/fired them, it might be sort of relevant.
My attitude on smoking is that it's legitimate to regulate it in public spaces where the smoke may impact other people. I think consenting adults need soveriegnity over their own bodies, so as far as smoking that doesn't impact others against their will, it doesn't matter whether someone is a smoker or not, the fundamental right of self-determination is unchanged.
Yeah. I mean, I think the decision, like smoking, needs to be up to the individual. No one should have to take drugs or smoke if they don't want to.
This doesn't even make sense.
Gun ownership and Military action are totally irrelevant. I think we all should have a say in military action because it's our country and military action is done in all of our name. Gun ownership (and I'm not a big gun control booster) affects us all, because guns are used by one person on another person. Drugs and smoking are issues of personal bodily integrity and autonomy, just like reproductive choice.
The point you -in typical anti-choice fashion- seem totally unwilling to get is, it is a woman's body, and by deciding arbitrarily that you should be in charge of telling her to remain pregnant against her will, you are sticking your nose WHERE IT DOESN'T BELONG.
I didn't say you were "disqualified from having an opinion", I said you're disqualified from having an opinion about OTHER peoples' bodies and what THEY should do with them.
Should I have the right to decide what kind of pants I wear tomorrow? Yes. Should I have the right to decide what kind of pants YOU wear tomorrow?
...Do you understand the difference? That's not just a rhetorical question, I'd like to hear the answer.
Every woman gets one opinion about one body- her own. Every man gets, well, none. Sorry.
It is HER BODY. NOT YOURS. FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO, RATHER THAN RUN OTHER PEOPLES' LIVES FOR THEM. PERIOD. END OF FUCKING STORY.
Sorry if this is "rude" or "harsh", but I've had it up to fucking here with god-damn anti-choicers.