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pipi_k

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82. I think it's a mistake to

Thu Mar 21, 2013, 01:04 PM

Mar 2013

take just one thing and make it the all-purpose villain.

Someone above said s/he had photos of schoolkids from the 50s and 60s.

I was a kid back then, and I also remember that there wasn't more than one fat kid per classroom. Some had none at all. Now we're lucky to have a handful of thin kids per classroom.

As a child, and as a teenager, I was very thin. Almost painfully so.

We ate sugary stuff all the time. Candy. Soda. Sweetened cereals. Pudding. Cake. Cookies. Ice cream.

BUT...we got up off our asses and moved.

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Sugar, not fat, exposed as deadly villain in obesity epidemic [View all] alp227 Mar 2013 OP

Dr Robert Atkins Purplehazed Mar 2013 #1

Absolutely. Actually our bodies need fat. Two days ago I watched snappyturtle Mar 2013 #7

So... RobinA Mar 2013 #75

Well, basically "yes" but it was stressed in "Fat Head" that Mc D's is not snappyturtle Mar 2013 #81

Gotta love the Atkins diet: Cali_Democrat Mar 2013 #24

But not the English Muffin! DanTex Mar 2013 #38

True Cali_Democrat Mar 2013 #63

Note that although "Supersize Me" blamed fat for American's health problems Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #46

Gross. Neoma Mar 2013 #72

His high protein Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #90

It is a common belief... Purplehazed Mar 2013 #93

Yep, a common myth by people who haven't read Atkins laundry_queen Mar 2013 #94

What a load of garbage. There no "epidemic" of "obesity" whatever that is. duffyduff Mar 2013 #2

You are mistaken. Both weight and body mass index of Americans has been on a long upward trend. slackmaster Mar 2013 #4

The problem is the science behind saying this is a problem isn't quite as settled as people believe. jeff47 Mar 2013 #9

I agree that the problem tends to be overstated, and so is the risk of "bad" cholesterol numbers. slackmaster Mar 2013 #11

High BMI correlates with REDUCED life spans. KurtNYC Mar 2013 #12

You may want to google the technical terms so you understand what you're talking about. jeff47 Mar 2013 #13

That seems more like an indication of how worthless BMI charts are than anything else. Marr Mar 2013 #17

Potentially. The point is we don't know because there has not been sufficient study. jeff47 Mar 2013 #18

But You Can't Do a Study RobinA Mar 2013 #78

But Flegel has been debunked for her flawed methodology KurtNYC Mar 2013 #35

No, that's a desperate attempt to protect the un-studied status-quo jeff47 Mar 2013 #71

This graph is adieu Mar 2013 #29

The legend didn't come through. Thanks for pointing that out. Link to source page... slackmaster Mar 2013 #53

Interesting. What happened in 1980 to explain the sudden increase? mainer Mar 2013 #56

I would guess that an increase in use of HFCS occurred, or maybe people reduced cocaine consumption slackmaster Mar 2013 #59

Ah, looked it up. HCFS introduced in foods between 1975 and 1985 mainer Mar 2013 #60

My Guess RobinA Mar 2013 #79

Any Indication RobinA Mar 2013 #77

you are incorrect shanti Mar 2013 #6

Definitions. Were. Changed. RobinA Mar 2013 #80

You should make that an OP Cali_Democrat Mar 2013 #23

Boy, you are so wrong adieu Mar 2013 #26

Sugar is not sugar. RC Mar 2013 #34

Sugar is a toxin and we as a nation are obese MattBaggins Mar 2013 #37

Your brain needs that "toxin" to function. In other words to sustain marybourg Mar 2013 #45

Not hyperbolic at all MattBaggins Mar 2013 #67

The human body can produce any sugar it requires madville Mar 2013 #84

That's exactly what I said, but I was pointing out marybourg Mar 2013 #85

It might be more correct to say madville Mar 2013 #86

Maybe the word "toxic" should just be dropped and we can marybourg Mar 2013 #87

I have old school pictures from the 1950s and 1960s Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #47

Unfortunately, you are wrong. Avalux Mar 2013 #61

I disagree - there is an "epidemic" elfin Mar 2013 #66

It's not as if you eat fat and your body takes it in directly Recursion Mar 2013 #3

yes, he is correct shanti Mar 2013 #5

I think you mean the simple carbs, right? redqueen Mar 2013 #8

Complex and refined carbs are different things jeff47 Mar 2013 #10

We have medical deniers on the left, like the climate deniers on the right... Generation_Why Mar 2013 #14

The problem is there are no facts here. jeff47 Mar 2013 #19

But that's how science works adieu Mar 2013 #28

The problem is acting as if the study is complete as soon as the hypothesis has been made. jeff47 Mar 2013 #32

No one made that claim except you adieu Mar 2013 #36

In my childhood, a long time ago, people seemed to know marybourg Mar 2013 #50

People aren't eating mountains of candy, cake or pie jeff47 Mar 2013 #70

it is in everything marions ghost Mar 2013 #88

It is highly refined and processesd carbs in general supernova Mar 2013 #15

The study of sugar spikes is complicated by the fact that few items are hedgehog Mar 2013 #41

It's not the fat supernova Mar 2013 #57

I've started cooking with my grandmother and saving her recipes NickB79 Mar 2013 #16

I was going to say -- that kind of cooking/eating went along well with farm labor. Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #21

Overeating is the culprit. RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #20

Absolutely!!! It's all about portion size. Happyhippychick Mar 2013 #25

Both portion size and contents of portion - hedgehog Mar 2013 #40

Nothing wrong with a cup of ice cream. RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #68

Indispensable Fact Sophiegirl Mar 2013 #22

There seems to be a sentiment in Middle America that a "good" restaurant is one where Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #64

Like any of this is news or new science? Yawn. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #27

Bacon rejoices. n/t TygrBright Mar 2013 #30

As do I n/t flying rabbit Mar 2013 #69

people have short memories. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #31

HFCS. nt Javaman Mar 2013 #33

Beat me to it derby378 Mar 2013 #39

Rec Javaman's post. It's the HFCS, not just "sugar." Ilsa Mar 2013 #42

I don't know if it effects the brain differently, but at the very least, hedgehog Mar 2013 #48

About five years ago, Ilsa Mar 2013 #52

Yup, what HFCS effects are the lipids in you system. Javaman Mar 2013 #62

I honestly believe that people are gaining weight for multiple reasons: hedgehog Mar 2013 #43

simpler than that: nutrition. Javaman Mar 2013 #55

"...not a case of eradicating sugar... just getting it down to LEVELS that are not toxic" Silent3 Mar 2013 #44

I began limiting sugar about 15 years ago Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #49

Sugar and HFCS are not the same. Where is the study on HFCS? Autumn Mar 2013 #51

Of course it's BS... Javaman Mar 2013 #58

I think you are correct on each point you made. Autumn Mar 2013 #65

This should not be news to anyone. ananda Mar 2013 #54

Duh. Ever read the label on "fat free" so-called "yogurt"? Hekate Mar 2013 #73

The ones that creep me out are "fat-free sour cream" and "fat-free whipping cream" Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #74

Duh! Atkins was right. Fat is good. Sugar is bad. n/t Laelth Mar 2013 #76

I think it's a mistake to pipi_k Mar 2013 #82

Sugar is part of the problem. Carbs and Wheat (the super carb) are very much to blame theophilus Mar 2013 #83

Too much sugar Dorian Gray Mar 2013 #89

My doc.... Bigmack Mar 2013 #91

See why. sendero Mar 2013 #92