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183. OTOH - anyone who believes Bush-Cheney were incapable of PLANTING

Thu Mar 21, 2013, 01:06 PM

Mar 2013

the WMDs (some of the failed operations suggest they did try) would be considered a dunce, too. If you knew Bush -Cheney were likely to plant WMDs and succeed.....then what?

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Sadly, Democrats played a role [View all] michigandem58 Mar 2013 OP

Why is ProSense Mar 2013 #1

There's an attempt to act as if the Democrats had nothing geek tragedy Mar 2013 #2

Actually, there were Democrats who voted against it, and THEY had the real courage, not the jerks still_one Mar 2013 #5

Of course. But none of them were leading contenders to run geek tragedy Mar 2013 #11

Maybe I am too harsh, but it does not cut it with me. Those Democrats who voted for it helped still_one Mar 2013 #14

The party has improved since 2003. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #16

And yet, bvar22 Mar 2013 #127

Obama did appoint Eric Shinseki head of the VA. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #129

And it was cowardly of them, yeah, I said "cowardly," and I mean it Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #24

Actually, ProSense Mar 2013 #31

This is just another OP attempting to revise history. Most of the world thought there were WMD stevenleser Mar 2013 #101

But not an invasion Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #110

Correct, but understand the timeline. France was ready to go to war in early January 2003. stevenleser Mar 2013 #116

Your excerpt fits something that has been bugging me lately. ieoeja Mar 2013 #112

Wellstone voted against the final war resolution going against all the advice being given to him dflprincess Mar 2013 #157

You don't ProSense Mar 2013 #158

I've been reading your posts for a long time dflprincess Mar 2013 #159

What ProSense Mar 2013 #160

From your reply to Lydia Leftcoast (#31) dflprincess Mar 2013 #188

You can't be serious? ProSense Mar 2013 #189

Paul Wellstone, speaking on the Senate floor (I miss him every day): geek tragedy Mar 2013 #34

That was right around the time I met the late Senator sarisataka Mar 2013 #48

REAL Patriots like Congresswoman Barbara Lee Taverner Mar 2013 #60

Because the so-called "moderate" Democrats are in charge and won't support anyone Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #113

I am not ProSense Mar 2013 #6

Oh please. Saddam's WMDs--even if they existed-- geek tragedy Mar 2013 #13

And, ProSense Mar 2013 #22

So was he for it before he was against it, or was he against it before geek tragedy Mar 2013 #35

And ProSense Mar 2013 #38

Thanks for the info. Snopes.com also verifies that chain letter. alp227 Mar 2013 #161

Don't stop there. Syria, Mauritania, China, Russia, France etc. stevenleser Mar 2013 #103

Everyone knew two things: geek tragedy Mar 2013 #108

Most people strongly believed WMD were in Iraq and programs restarted to produce them. stevenleser Mar 2013 #119

But, that ignores the question of "so what?" geek tragedy Mar 2013 #120

To a fair number of countries, it would have justified an invasion because of the UN Resolutions in stevenleser Mar 2013 #124

How could Bush's lies effect comments from 1998, 1999, 2000??? n/t Fix The Stupid Mar 2013 #20

Maybe the RW is right: It's Clinton's fault? ProSense Mar 2013 #28

Please - no strawmen. Fix The Stupid Mar 2013 #42

Please ProSense Mar 2013 #47

How can you say this? Fix The Stupid Mar 2013 #65

Actually, ProSense Mar 2013 #69

Obfuscate, derail, change subject, Fix The Stupid Mar 2013 #72

Not to worry. People here are very familiar with how commercials work. woo me with science Mar 2013 #76

"People here" ProSense Mar 2013 #83

At least ProSense Mar 2013 #82

Most of the world thought Iraq had WMD or WMD programs in November of 2002. stevenleser Mar 2013 #102

Then it would be Scott Ritter's lies when he complained then of Iraq's WMDs being blm Mar 2013 #78

I didn't know it. I was uneasy about Iraq, but I certainly didn't TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #7

but to pull quotes from Gore's speech AGAINST the invasion of Iraq hfojvt Mar 2013 #40

I didn't check every quote. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #41

Wait ProSense Mar 2013 #44

...which GREATLY depended on Bush admin threat assement... you forgot that part uponit7771 Mar 2013 #134

Anyone who trusted Bush/Rove/Cheney is a dunce. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #136

OTOH - anyone who believes Bush-Cheney were incapable of PLANTING blm Mar 2013 #183

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2013 #133

What makes you think those statements in the OP are real? Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #152

No. The fact remains there was more than enough Democrats who knew it was B.S. and voted against it still_one Mar 2013 #3

And I'm saying, ProSense Mar 2013 #9

Some of those quotes are from Democrats michigandem58 Mar 2013 #18

Full context shows much more caution. Howard Dean quotes make him sound pro-war, too. blm Mar 2013 #21

We're closing in on a war with Syria for the exact same reasons, they're using poison gas xtraxritical Mar 2013 #77

Exactly Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2013 #27

Thank you. Seems that many around here are just chomping at the bit to discredit Democrats......... George II Mar 2013 #51

Because many of the most visible and powerful Democratic leaders were complicit. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #53

The OP is a bunch of out of context and at least one fabricated quote. ProSense Mar 2013 #55

Even if that were true, that doesn't change the facts at all. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #86

Perhaps because there are those of us Puglover Mar 2013 #61

OK ProSense Mar 2013 #64

If you are saying that some of this article is hyperbole. Puglover Mar 2013 #71

Why? Because they're trying to kill Obamacare by fracturing the Democratic base & "they" in this patrice Mar 2013 #81

Why were so many people able to see through Bush's lies... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #90

They ProSense Mar 2013 #91

So those two voted against the Iraq invasion... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #94

It's a reaction to posters like yourself, who constantly try to pretend it didn't happen. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #131

...you mean Bush admin threat assesment didn't happen? regards uponit7771 Mar 2013 #135

So ProSense Mar 2013 #138

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2013 #132

It was a tough choice, politically. Those who chose wrong realized their mistake TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #4

Then what about the Democrats who voted against it in spite of the political consequences? This is still_one Mar 2013 #10

They possibly had less at stake, politically, for voting no. It's always TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #12

But what about the rewarding of those who were wrong over those who were right? Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #15

Getting re-elected for the Senate (or elected President) is the reward. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #25

"OMG, I can't follow my conscience, because then I won't be senator with all those perks anymore" Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #30

To be fair, their IWR vote shouldn't have been made on the basis TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #33

It should have been made on the basis of opposing the WAR!!!! MNBrewer Mar 2013 #67

maybe it is not about the perks hfojvt Mar 2013 #63

There are some alleged Democrats who are a bit too quick to sign on to bad Republican ideas Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #107

They only lied (or pandered to evil, take your pick) to get what they wanted! Romulox Mar 2013 #46

It was not a tough political choice. Not if you were sane and didn't beat the war drums for Bush Co. MNBrewer Mar 2013 #66

And still the UN inspectors openly said they had not found any evidence! Not once! dmosh42 Mar 2013 #8

Hans Blix for one. The cowards in Congress that voted for it, willfully ignored the facts, and still_one Mar 2013 #17

IWR vote preceded inspections. When Blix reported WMDs were not found and force would NOT blm Mar 2013 #26

Being "for it before he was against it" is not a virtue. It's talking out of both sides of his mouth Romulox Mar 2013 #49

"He did support an alternative bill...cutting some of President Bush's tax cuts" ProSense Mar 2013 #52

That was a year AFTER he had already voted in favor of the Iraq War Resolution. Romulox Mar 2013 #57

What the hell does that have to do with the fact that there were two different votes? n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #58

Kerry voted to support George Bush's war. He couldn't alter that with a pivot a year later. nt Romulox Mar 2013 #59

Oh please. ProSense Mar 2013 #62

What part of siding with findings of weapon inspectors as per his promise during IWR vote blm Mar 2013 #74

Was there even a *kernel* of a point, here? nt Romulox Mar 2013 #87

Kerry sided with findings of weapon inspectors and against use of force. blm Mar 2013 #99

His "siding" has no force of law. His vote for WAR most certainly did. nt Romulox Mar 2013 #100

BS. 1991 UN Res covered Bush on Iraq war. Kerry voted for weapon inspections and blm Mar 2013 #106

And yet Kerry voted for the IWR! Again, you're proud of yourself for arguing two sides. Romulox Mar 2013 #164

You blindly attack the lone IWR voter who stood with weapon inspectors blm Mar 2013 #175

He voted for War. He got War. It was disastrous. A man of integrity would accept fault. nt Romulox Mar 2013 #179

He promised to stand with results of weapon inspectors. He did so. blm Mar 2013 #185

He promised one thing, but voted for another--namely, WAR. Deal with it. nt Romulox Mar 2013 #186

Rove took full advantage of YOUR lax of discernment and that of the corpmedia, too. blm Mar 2013 #70

Karl Rove didn't make John Kerry vote for George Bush's war. Neither did I. Romulox Mar 2013 #88

Kerry promised during vote that once weapon inspectors were in and reporting findings blm Mar 2013 #96

His "promise" isn't a law. The Iraq War Authorization (which John Kerry voted for) is. Romulox Mar 2013 #97

IWR wasn't a law that took the nation to war, either. Bush could've gone in w/1991 blm Mar 2013 #104

Of course it was. I won't argue an alternative history with you. nt Romulox Mar 2013 #105

Weapon inspectors proved there was no threat - Bush invaded anyway. Just as planned. blm Mar 2013 #111

This is revisionist nonsense. Verbosity won't save it. John Kerry voted to authorize WAR. Romulox Mar 2013 #165

Actually ProSense Mar 2013 #167

That's how "voting" works. Pity John Kerry voted for the IWR, which passed! Romulox Mar 2013 #168

You know how ProSense Mar 2013 #170

That doesn't change Kerry's vote to authorize WAR in 2002. Romulox Mar 2013 #171

How ProSense Mar 2013 #172

This is dumb. I'm not going to argue an alternative history with you. nt Romulox Mar 2013 #173

As noted - you have no ability to DISCERN blm Mar 2013 #174

You say that like it's a magic word that makes up for a bad argument. nt Romulox Mar 2013 #180

Nope - hoping you begin to display some discernment instead of blm Mar 2013 #181

Your argument is awful; John Kerry voted for war in 2002. All else is spin. nt Romulox Mar 2013 #182

Not an argument - it's FACT. You just hate to admit that Kerry showed blm Mar 2013 #184

John Kerry's 'AYE!' for the Iraq War Resolution is indeed a fact. A sad, sad, blot... nt Romulox Mar 2013 #187

Question: ProSense Mar 2013 #19

The OP is very different from your rightwingnews michigandem58 Mar 2013 #23

"So, no, it's not a 'direct reprint'. But it does appear the quote belongs to Graham." ProSense Mar 2013 #29

Why do you source rightwingnews? michigandem58 Mar 2013 #43

It's the source of Graham's and other quotes in the OP. Why did you fabricate Kerry's quote? n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #50

rightwingnews was your source, dear michigandem58 Mar 2013 #145

"The quote wasn't fabricated, just confusion over whether it's Kerry or Graham." ProSense Mar 2013 #146

There are a dozen and a half quotes from prominent Democrats michigandem58 Mar 2013 #147

It's obvious ProSense Mar 2013 #148

...................that ProSense is reaching michigandem58 Mar 2013 #155

Now you're just being disingenuous. ProSense Mar 2013 #156

Glad you agree it was Kerry michigandem58 Mar 2013 #163

Yes, ProSense Mar 2013 #169

Why not? Especially if there are similarities in attacks coming from "different" directions, e.g. patrice Mar 2013 #125

Is this related to possible Dem nominees in 2016? djean111 Mar 2013 #32

Never underestimate though, the value of leaders who actually have a CLUE ProfessionalLeftist Mar 2013 #36

Yep. And, some of them are still trying to get the blood off their hands by claiming stupidity. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #37

don't forget it was POLITICIZED. BEFORE a presidential election. pansypoo53219 Mar 2013 #39

So-called Democrats were essential to this crime. Without the complicit war mongers from this party Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #45

yep, so true, and thanks for saying so stupidicus Mar 2013 #54

Perhaps all those here looking for reasons to blame the Democrats and bashing them...... George II Mar 2013 #56

You mean the blank check to go to war? That one? MNBrewer Mar 2013 #73

No, the one that Congress voted for. George II Mar 2013 #93

AUMF? Yeah, the blank check MNBrewer Mar 2013 #95

The one titled "Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq"? bvar22 Mar 2013 #130

I take it people haven't read it. George II Mar 2013 #150

Which of them ordered and planned the invasion, the occupation, or the transition? JoePhilly Mar 2013 #68

All them Dems who voted for it were lied to... Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #75

Exactly.... FiggyJay Mar 2013 #80

They were in the Beltway Bubble Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #114

EXACTLY!! uponit7771 Mar 2013 #137

Next up: Quotes from Democrats on why gays are terrible people. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #79

Guess what? We knew. BTW, how's the struggle for the RIGHT TO ORGANIZE going in Michigan? patrice Mar 2013 #84

Our retiring Senator, Carl Levin, is known as a ferocious champion of labor rights. Romulox Mar 2013 #89

I believe he also co-authored, with John McCain, the bad stuff in NDAA 2011, which is all patrice Mar 2013 #92

I wonder what this may have had to do with it. valerief Mar 2013 #85

What the owners want, the owners get. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #98

That would really mean something if George Bush jr. hadn't Rex Mar 2013 #109

Nearly all the quotes there are taken out of context - and have been used by the right to say that karynnj Mar 2013 #115

Exactly. Well said. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #118

IMO, taking the quotes out of context was intentionally done to smear Democrats blm Mar 2013 #126

George Bush himslef made the claim many times. bvar22 Mar 2013 #143

No It wasn't karynnj Mar 2013 #154

Absolutely karynnj Mar 2013 #153

this is bullshit greenman3610 Mar 2013 #117

Please provide some documentation for your claim about Gore's speech. bvar22 Mar 2013 #141

Rational permutations: patrice Mar 2013 #121

Reminds of the Iran-Contra scandal, when Congresscritters were reporting that Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2013 #122

Yes! & then, think of all of the email that probably just gets dumped even though text-parsing is patrice Mar 2013 #123

Do you remember when after 9/11 and the Anthrax/Post Office Scares KoKo Mar 2013 #176

Facts are pesky things. Millions around the nation knew it was complete bullshit from Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #128

You may have your Invasions confused. bvar22 Mar 2013 #139

You are right. Keeping track of the betrayals can be taxing at times. Thanks for pointing it out. nt Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #140

I think ProSense Mar 2013 #142

Awww. bvar22 Mar 2013 #144

Thanks for the LIST! One point to add to it though... KoKo Mar 2013 #177

Anti-Democratic propaganda. gulliver Mar 2013 #149

NO LINKS OR CITES TO AUTHORITIES for those alleged statements. Your word? Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #151

Edwards was right there along with Bush ... slipslidingaway Mar 2013 #162

He was nice looking and had a down to earth wife plus KoKo Mar 2013 #178

Hillary 2016--it's inevitable! nt Romulox Mar 2013 #166