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pipoman

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90. I believe the popular sentiment

Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:36 PM

Mar 2013

is distracting. Saying that popular support for this is 60/40, so the 60 should have no problem doesn't work. The question is if the 40 are crossed, will it change the outcome of a vote. IOW..even with 60% support, a shift of the 40% can defeat the 60%..

"Get Democrats to vote like Democrats" assumes that all democrats agree on every issue. We obviously don't. I don't care what the party says on any issue, I can't change the party. Just because the party takes a position, my mind doesn't automatically follow.

I am a many times pronounced Civil Liberatarian...have been a card carrying member of the ACLU for years. I will always come down on the side of liberal interpretation of civil rights/liberties. I have been very, very unpopular in real life while publicly defending the rights of truly despicable people. I didn't care what others thought then, and I don't care on an anonymous board.

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The N.R.A. Wins Again - TheNewYorker [View all] WillyT Mar 2013 OP

They will lose eventually. nt onehandle Mar 2013 #1

From your lips to God's ears. nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #2

I find it amusing pipoman Mar 2013 #3

senators represent their constituents? surely you jest. spanone Mar 2013 #4

I have a few bridges for sale if anyone believes that. Generation_Why Mar 2013 #6

Can we not give attention to both? Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #8

I haven't seen anyone doing that...just NRA! NRA! in every thread.. pipoman Mar 2013 #10

I attribute it to NRA lobbying etherealtruth Mar 2013 #88

All firearms manufacturer revenues in the US combined pipoman Mar 2013 #94

I am glad you cleared that up for me ...NRA not a problem etherealtruth Mar 2013 #99

It is an active lobbying group not pipoman Mar 2013 #110

Good point. The Democrats who caved to the NRA over the wishes of their constituents DanTex Mar 2013 #12

No, rural Democrats don't support these measures pipoman Mar 2013 #14

Poll trutherism is alive and well on DU! And there I thought it was only Dick Morris and Karl Rove. DanTex Mar 2013 #15

Thruthism, eh? LOL pipoman Mar 2013 #17

Not unanimous. Just the majority of them. DanTex Mar 2013 #20

The proof is in the current Senate vote tabulations.. pipoman Mar 2013 #24

Alaska, Montana, Arkansas, South Dakota, New Mexico, Virginia, Louisiana, North Carolina. hack89 Mar 2013 #19

Whether it's guns, abortion, gay marriage, or anything else, I think Dems should vote like Dems. DanTex Mar 2013 #22

They ran as pro-gun Dems on pro-gun platforms hack89 Mar 2013 #27

If what you are saying were reality, there would be evidence for it. Right? DanTex Mar 2013 #29

Lets look at what is happening in statehouses all over America hack89 Mar 2013 #32

In other words, no evidence. No surprise there. Maybe the next pro-gunner will come up with some. DanTex Mar 2013 #33

States rejecting AWB is evidence - especially when controlled by Dems. hack89 Mar 2013 #34

You continue to ignore my point. DanTex Mar 2013 #37

Because gun ownership is just like all those other issues hack89 Mar 2013 #38

Well, I'm glad we agree that guns are no different from abortion, gay marriage, social security, etc DanTex Mar 2013 #41

That 60% support is irrelevant when it comes to the Senate hack89 Mar 2013 #43

So, is there any issues where you think that Dems should try and actually win? DanTex Mar 2013 #46

We should try to win on every issue that is important to us while not doing harm hack89 Mar 2013 #47

Remember the public option in Obamacare? DanTex Mar 2013 #51

Because there are Dems whose constituents oppose Obamacare hack89 Mar 2013 #64

Interesting theory of politics you have there. DanTex Mar 2013 #65

All you have to do is find a way to corral those wayward Senators hack89 Mar 2013 #66

We Could Always Primary Their Asses... WillyT Mar 2013 #69

That would be good in two ways hack89 Mar 2013 #71

Texas Democrats support the AWB by a margin of 75-19. DanTex Mar 2013 #73

+ 1,000,000,000 !!! - Bravo !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #74

Texas has one of the lowest voter turn out rates in America hack89 Mar 2013 #75

Umm... that was a poll of Texas voters. DanTex Mar 2013 #77

My bad. So now all you have to do is actually win some election in Texas hack89 Mar 2013 #79

Texas is just en example. The point is that gun control is not just popular in Chicago and NYC. DanTex Mar 2013 #83

2014 should be an interesting election hack89 Mar 2013 #86

" Texans say they trust the NRA over President Obama by a 47/43 margin" hack89 Mar 2013 #81

FFS pipoman Mar 2013 #28

So you think it's fine if Democrats vote anti-gay? Or anti-choice? Or anti-Social-Security? DanTex Mar 2013 #31

Given a choice between "centrist dems" and moderate rethugs, pipoman Mar 2013 #35

OK. Well at least we're agreed that guns are no different from abortion or Social Security. DanTex Mar 2013 #39

But Dems votes will be used against them in Red states hack89 Mar 2013 #40

I believe the popular sentiment pipoman Mar 2013 #90

I keep hearing about all of these people who are going to switch over to R because of DanTex Mar 2013 #96

I don't believe Dems will cross pipoman Mar 2013 #103

I think there's a bit of a disconnect here... LAGC Mar 2013 #106

I think that primarying these Dem incumbents would be a good idea. hack89 Mar 2013 #30

^^^ The question I have for controllers is this: Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #45

What progressive Dems are strongly pro-gun? The pro-gun Dems are red state centrists. DanTex Mar 2013 #48

Russ Feingold was staunchly anti-AWB, but was willing to consider other gun-control measures (n/t) derby378 Mar 2013 #105

But what you are failing to acknowledge pipoman Mar 2013 #111

True. But, as I posted above, even Texas voters support AWB by a margin of 49-41. DanTex Mar 2013 #112

Virginians support the AWB by a margin of 58-39. DanTex Mar 2013 #76

Warner went silent on the issue - did you notice? hack89 Mar 2013 #78

Probably a good primary candidate. DanTex Mar 2013 #80

Once you can show that gun control can win elections in red and purple states hack89 Mar 2013 #84

I'm in a rural area with farms and hunting land and all kinds of stuff Progressive dog Mar 2013 #56

Have no idea what you are trying to say.. pipoman Mar 2013 #87

Rural democrats do support AWB and magazine restrictions Progressive dog Mar 2013 #89

Yeah, most of New York State pipoman Mar 2013 #91

Most of that is over the process Progressive dog Mar 2013 #92

And you'll notice that the rural areas (the area we were talking about) is green, eh? pipoman Mar 2013 #93

You apparently didn't get the part about process, eh? Progressive dog Mar 2013 #95

I have to confess to a bit of schadenfreude. Llewlladdwr Mar 2013 #5

Not appropriate. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #7

Gloat while you can mwrguy Mar 2013 #9

Once again, for the 1000th time...... Logical Mar 2013 #13

And of the 300 million guns, 10 to 20 million are assault weapons... Peter cotton Mar 2013 #16

How about something like this... DanTex Mar 2013 #23

You realize the last few mass shooters could have passed all those requirements? Or took... Logical Mar 2013 #98

^^^^THIS^^^^ Paladin Mar 2013 #52

Would it be less tragic with an AWB compliant firearm? aikoaiko Mar 2013 #68

My fucking hero. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #26

It would help society if gun cultists cleaned up their collective act, but not likely. Hoyt Mar 2013 #36

People thought the cigarette companies were winning as well malaise Mar 2013 #11

Much of the AWB was a deeply flawed bill that wouldn't save a single life. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #18

I applaud Reid's decision kudzu22 Mar 2013 #21

AWB aside, in all seriousness: Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #82

Are you forgetting PPACA? kudzu22 Mar 2013 #85

The decision to drop the AWB provision may have saved the more important parts of the bill slackmaster Mar 2013 #25

Gun-control problems/strategies revealed... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #42

The AWB has close to 60% support. DanTex Mar 2013 #44

Threats to SS are a lot deeper than your one-issue approach... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #49

My approach is the opposite of one-issue. DanTex Mar 2013 #55

"Gun violence" & gun control have been in the Party Platform since 1968. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #97

Poll results are meaningless if the respondents don't understand the question slackmaster Mar 2013 #53

The question is "Do you support the Federal Assault Weapons Ban?" DanTex Mar 2013 #58

People are reluctant to answer "I don't know"; this is a well-established fact in polling methodoloy slackmaster Mar 2013 #60

Again with the poll trutherism. DanTex Mar 2013 #63

Thank you for providing an example of what my previous reply refers to slackmaster Mar 2013 #67

This is an opinion poll. There's nothing to validate. DanTex Mar 2013 #70

I agree than an opinion can't be wrong, but it can be worthless. slackmaster Mar 2013 #72

I am confused... sarisataka Mar 2013 #50

People are capable of multitasking slackmaster Mar 2013 #54

Someone forgot to tell the NRA that their dead and done. premium Mar 2013 #57

By "fringe", you must mean the 60% of Americans that support the AWB. Is that right? DanTex Mar 2013 #62

The fringe I am speaking of sarisataka Mar 2013 #109

"The Myth Of NRA Dominance..." was posted by a host of the Gun Control Reform Activism group: friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #107

We may have to accept that we won't win this LittleBlue Mar 2013 #59

Yep. Congress can't even pass a gun control measure that easily passed 20 years ago. LAGC Mar 2013 #100

Bad LittleBlue Mar 2013 #101

Not quite. The vote on the omnibus crime bill in 1994 was 68-31 in the Senate with one abstaining. slackmaster Mar 2013 #104

The AWB would not have stopped Adam Lanza davidn3600 Mar 2013 #61

Fuck yeah!!!! Moses2SandyKoufax Mar 2013 #102

The wepaons he used Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #108