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118. What specifically leads you to believe that the number was made up

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 02:13 PM

Mar 2013

What specifically leads you to believe that the number was made up rather than arrived at via the mechanics of simple statistics?

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Over 1,057,000 people have been killed by guns in the USA since John Lennon was shot and killed... [View all] onehandle Mar 2013 OP

If the 60 percent of gun deaths are suicides number holds up Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #1

Don't forget accidents and instances of self-defense. {nt} Yukari Yakumo Mar 2013 #54

One of the greatest men of peace, died a violent death graham4anything Mar 2013 #2

"greedy & selfish?" How many tens of millions are there? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #5

320 million Americans. The NRA is less than 4 million. 1%. graham4anything Mar 2013 #10

You forgot the 80,000,000 other Americans, including millions of Democrats. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #26

I loved Charlotte Rubens. She died at 102. Her son will win the Noble Peace Prize in'18. graham4anything Mar 2013 #43

If a manufacturer tried to bring to market today a product that when USED AS INTENDED was projected apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #3

More bans and prohibitions? Same as it ever was. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #4

Whatever that's supposed to mean. Bottom line is, as the country continues to turn Blue, meaningful apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #7

The country's blueing would be facilitated by dropping gun bans. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #23

Nope. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #27

Public opinion says otherwise. In January I was tailgating before the Packer/Vikings playoff ... Scuba Mar 2013 #44

+1. Skip Intro Mar 2013 #19

+ 1 nt Shankapotomus Mar 2013 #9

I imagine one could say Bay Boy Mar 2013 #11

And I imagine one could say... apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #13

The gun fetishists goto straw man. onehandle Mar 2013 #34

Oh what bullshit! Bay Boy Mar 2013 #59

Way to miss the point.... SunSeeker Mar 2013 #71

No kidding. Compare that to the number killed by lawn darts. eom Blanks Mar 2013 #38

Cigarettes have killed 13 million people since 1980 hack89 Mar 2013 #47

Another absurd strawman argument. The day a mass murderer is able to take out a classroom full apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #49

Just pointing out that it is hard to shock the American public hack89 Mar 2013 #50

No, you were attempting to indulge in a pair of false analogies, that between guns which when USED apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #51

I understand your frustration. It has been a tough week for gun control after all. hack89 Mar 2013 #53

Not a bit of it: Colorado adopted three pieces of gun legislation just yesterday; NY's SAFE Act is apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #55

Colorado passed them after they dropped the AWB - just like Congress. hack89 Mar 2013 #56

Yeah, and we get to sue the cigarette companies. But the gun mfrs made sure they're immune. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #75

I support all the Colorado gun control laws hack89 Mar 2013 #93

You're not fooling anyone. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #110

How can I be lying when the reality is staring you in the face? hack89 Mar 2013 #111

Bullshit. The gun lobby is REALLY fighting the AWB, because it will cost them $$$$$$$$. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #112

A small majority want an AWB - about 56% hack89 Mar 2013 #113

The biggest body counts belong to ARs: Aurora, Newtown... SunSeeker Mar 2013 #116

Va Tech? hack89 Mar 2013 #117

Cho took 3 hours to kill 32; Lanza killed 26 in 5 minutes. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #120

You have one example. hack89 Mar 2013 #121

I already gave you 2 examples, and, I am not here to do your bidding. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #123

Didn't think you had anything. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #125

More people think the NRA reflects their views on guns than President Obama hack89 Mar 2013 #114

That is because the NRA and RW media lie that Obama wants to ban all guns. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #115

I hate to say this, but thucythucy Mar 2013 #132

800 mayors against guns. Yoko & Mike Bloomberg graham4anything Mar 2013 #6

You might want to check the felony rate of MAIG... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #12

They are standing pretty much where her husband was shot five times in the back. onehandle Mar 2013 #40

Why is John Lennon a relevant marker point? brooklynite Mar 2013 #8

I dunno. Maybe this Yoko Ono person knew him. onehandle Mar 2013 #15

I think it's because the magic round number of one million has been surpassed recently slackmaster Mar 2013 #25

I beg to differ with you. timdog44 Mar 2013 #124

It's an icon for the targeted group in this culture war. X_Digger Mar 2013 #29

Precisely. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #61

Sgt Pepper's..., to say NOTHING of his vocal belief in non-violent protest and it's being subject Mar 2013 #129

I suspect he was "a cultural icon" thucythucy Mar 2013 #130

are you kidding? JanMichael Mar 2013 #52

There is no way to disarm America at this point. Too many guns in circulation! n-t Logical Mar 2013 #14

90% used to smoke. Now 90% don't. graham4anything Mar 2013 #17

This place was 100% sure things would change after Giffords and then Sandy Hook.... Logical Mar 2013 #24

In other words guardian Mar 2013 #31

No, there are 80M US gun owners and 40K gun deaths/yr. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #127

as the old song said "Things get a little easier, once you understand" graham4anything Mar 2013 #42

Lennon wasn't murdered, he was assassinated! RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #16

He was murdered; there was no political intent involved in the killing. n/t duffyduff Mar 2013 #21

says you! RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #48

i saw a Marblehead Mar 2013 #33

Of course it was a hit. RevStPatrick Mar 2013 #62

The NRA & its gun-nut allies say: "NOT ENOUGH!" baldguy Mar 2013 #18

That's all? slackmaster Mar 2013 #20

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #22

And 50 million owned guns for 419,750,000,000 days collectively during that time The Straight Story Mar 2013 #28

Fancy math. onehandle Mar 2013 #30

Feel free to re-do it to show the % of guns vs guns used The Straight Story Mar 2013 #32

Put up with you and your weird ass, off topic posts polluting GD long enough. onehandle Mar 2013 #35

But now you'll never be on a jury for him. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #64

I wasn't even aware of that. This should probably be an OP somewhere. eom tarheelsunc Mar 2013 #69

They got rid of META, so I'm not sure where to post it... SunSeeker Mar 2013 #70

Only certain rights... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #45

Hey, we only have 4x the gun murder rate of the #3 country Progressive dog Mar 2013 #36

The Second Amendment is more important ramapo Mar 2013 #37

Probably the most important tweet I've ever seen... ReRe Mar 2013 #39

I love threads like this they reveal a lot about people that post on them... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #41

What I have learned is that we have a lot of right wing gun trolls masquerading as "progressives." SunSeeker Mar 2013 #78

Is that the post re AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #81

Progressives don't raise George Soros as a bogeyman. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #85

Bingo! You got to write "NRA" five times. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #91

Um, try again, it was six. LOL SunSeeker Mar 2013 #146

OK. "NRA/gun" one time. "NRA/gun" and "NRA" for a total of six times. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #147

You missed my point hack89 Mar 2013 #139

I didn't miss your point. Nor your blatant use of RW propaganda. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #140

Progressive gun control counterpart to the NRA hack89 Mar 2013 #141

Well, now that you add the word "control" that no longer makes it a counterpart, but an opponent. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #142

So it is impossible to be a pro-gun Democrat? hack89 Mar 2013 #149

No, just like it is not impossible to be an anti-abortion Democrat. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #150

I am reassured with people like you on the pro-gun control team. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #151

Another example Crepuscular Mar 2013 #46

It's a shame he's not with us anymore, I bet he would still be a great advocate of human rights. OverBurn Mar 2013 #57

But they're irrelevant... Iggo Mar 2013 #58

Let's put a positive spin on this... LanternWaste Mar 2013 #60

Arguments against gun control ErikJ Mar 2013 #63

Who made up that number? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #65

Nobody made up the number, it is trackable pediatricmedic Mar 2013 #66

So instead of actually being trackable, it's based upon guesstimates. Got it. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #67

What number do you contend it is? SunSeeker Mar 2013 #68

If I care? I care about a fact-based world. It is not in our best interest to rely upon made-up AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #73

I knew you wouldn't answer my question. If you cared about the fact-based world, SunSeeker Mar 2013 #74

At what makes you think that I own a gun? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #77

Your answers and defensiveness. Do you? nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #79

A tragedy occurred while I was sailing on Lake Michigan. A gust came up, rocked the boat, and all AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #80

It is too bad that "tragedy" didn't really happen; it could have saved you from a real tragedy. nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #82

That Sort Of Chicken-Shit "Cuteness" Got Old, Years Ago. Paladin Mar 2013 #96

You do what you want. I do what I want. You don't get to tell anyone to "admit it or stay silent." AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #98

Try the FBI Crime Statistics/UCR or the Department of Justice, or CDC pediatricmedic Mar 2013 #83

So that adds up to over "1,057,000 people"? People who exaggerate lose credibility. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #84

No, try reading the post. Those numbers are just for 1999 to 2011, and they add up to 396,646. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #86

Do you really think that even if we could somehow make all guns go away LAGC Mar 2013 #72

Bullshit. Having a gun in the home increases your chance of suicide 5 times. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #76

So we need to disarm nearly 100 million law-abiding American gun owners because a statistical few... LAGC Mar 2013 #87

We don't need to take everyone's gun, we just need reasonable gun control. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #88

What specifically leads you to believe that the number was made up LanternWaste Mar 2013 #118

In a country with 300,000,000 guns and 80,000,000 gun owners fredzachmane Mar 2013 #89

It's a lot to me. tblue Mar 2013 #90

There may be more to that toddler story. LAGC Mar 2013 #92

What, he's not dead from a gunshot wound? Robb Mar 2013 #94

Follow the link. LAGC Mar 2013 #95

You've made your feelings on child shootings quite clear. Robb Mar 2013 #97

It's tragic whenever a child dies. LAGC Mar 2013 #99

LAGC on the Sunday Child Shooting Review: "Keep this crap out of GD." Robb Mar 2013 #100

As I explained to you via PM: LAGC Mar 2013 #101

Your post is revolting. Robb Mar 2013 #102

Alert on it. LAGC Mar 2013 #103

No, please keep it up. Robb Mar 2013 #104

I voted a straight Democratic ticket in 2012. LAGC Mar 2013 #131

So this isn't yours: Robb Mar 2013 #133

You caught me there. LAGC Mar 2013 #135

Cool story. Robb Mar 2013 #136

It's the truth. LAGC Mar 2013 #137

I especially like where you say "I'm not going to lie to you." Robb Mar 2013 #138

Robb, that was a hilarious subthread. Thanks. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #145

You tell people to put you on ignore so they can't sit on your jury. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #109

Yeah. It was only 20 Kindergartners. onehandle Mar 2013 #106

It's not politically correct to point that out. kentuck Mar 2013 #105

Small price to pay... Gary 50 Mar 2013 #107

How horrible Highway61 Mar 2013 #108

So 1,057,000 killed with guns since 1980....... Crepuscular Mar 2013 #119

Question for you: chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #122

two Beatles, two attempted Murders, one gun, one knife, one Bennyboy Mar 2013 #126

8 times Crepuscular Mar 2013 #128

People. Killed by people using a gun. Zax2me Mar 2013 #134

No no.....guns kill people, it sez so in the OP ileus Mar 2013 #144

All those murderous guns... ileus Mar 2013 #143

Over a million deaths from guns due to mental illness in many The Second Stone Mar 2013 #148