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renie408

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40. Well, shit.

Wed Feb 1, 2012, 09:58 PM

Feb 2012

We use stevia for most stuff. It works fine in coffee, iced tea, my morning oatmeal (steel cut oats and cinnamon with two boiled egg whites on the side every morning) and stuff like that. But there are some things that just need the oomph of the truly sweet and that's where I have been experimenting with honey as opposed to refined sugar. So you are telling me that I might as well go for the hard stuff, huh? Buggers...

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Scientists say sugar is as toxic as alcohol – and there should be a drinking age for soda [View all] The Straight Story Feb 2012 OP

I think we should all be locked up and fed what the experts want us to eat DJ13 Feb 2012 #1

Or just live in a bubble HockeyMom Feb 2012 #3

That's what Fox News is for. *rimshot* Initech Feb 2012 #10

It's not about being afraid to live. renie408 Feb 2012 #12

No, this is about legislating what people choose to eat The Genealogist Feb 2012 #51

Jack the taxes up on sugar and create another black market! FrodosPet Feb 2012 #74

Excellent! Regressive taxes like that are awesome! PVnRT Feb 2012 #89

I would like you to check these stats nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #99

Let's try sugar and forget the fucking corn syrup. Autumn Feb 2012 #2

Yes high fructose corn syrup is to be avoided madokie Feb 2012 #8

There is sugar in EVERYTHING. Sugar has no redeeming value nutritionally, but they'll never gateley Feb 2012 #4

Of course not RZM Feb 2012 #32

Thanks for the interesting history. I try to stay away from Coke, too, but when gateley Feb 2012 #63

Pepsi marketed a real sugar version a few years ago RZM Feb 2012 #65

Yeah, well I don't need to find them! Besides, I was a Coke snob (although I did try the Pepsi gateley Feb 2012 #73

and they tasted a hell of a lot better and didn't have the aftertaste of the regular kind. Occulus Feb 2012 #107

There's a big difference in flavor hifiguy Feb 2012 #110

Unintended consequences: switching kids to Splenda & NutraSweet qb Feb 2012 #5

Or, better yet... drink water and/or juices. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #7

Water tases "Blecch!" FrodosPet Feb 2012 #75

I love water. I've started having a pitcher of cucumber water in the fridge... Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #81

Our tap water has too much chlorine in it. FrodosPet Feb 2012 #82

Why don't you get a filter? After the initial investment... Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #83

Thank you. I'm sure it would help. FrodosPet Feb 2012 #85

Sparkling water Dorian Gray Feb 2012 #91

You can make your own under the sink system. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #127

I didn't see where it said you should switch to Splenda or Nutrasweet. renie408 Feb 2012 #14

That's not what these folks are saying. HuckleB Feb 2012 #30

Damn fine question there Autumn Feb 2012 #138

... but the reason we restrict alcohol to minors has nothing to do with toxicity. surrealAmerican Feb 2012 #6

and sugar is not as toxic as alcohol anyways. It just isn't. Johonny Feb 2012 #100

There is no way that your numbers are right. JVS Feb 2012 #102

The correct numbers are 1000 times lower. former9thward Feb 2012 #116

It is definitely addicting Marrah_G Feb 2012 #9

Dr. Atkins was telling people this for decades. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #11

Not exactly. HuckleB Feb 2012 #38

Following the Atkins diet is just as unhealthy long term. TheWraith Feb 2012 #46

Sugar is actually a nutrient that the body needs in order to survive, unlike alcohol and tobacco. Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #13

Your body doesn't need sugar. renie408 Feb 2012 #15

Our ancient ancestors didn't live very long, so I don't think they are a very convincing example. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #19

Their life expectancy wasn't limited because they didn't have access to refined sugar. renie408 Feb 2012 #21

I am not defending anything, I was attacking your argument strictly on tactical issues. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #35

well it is not Wednesday hfojvt Feb 2012 #59

And now you know how smokers feel. trof Feb 2012 #132

well with a few huge ginormous differences hfojvt Feb 2012 #142

Are you saying that our ancient ancestors didn't eat carbs? Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #48

Lustig's is very clear about the fructose being a poison Paulie Feb 2012 #76

There are sugars Dorian Gray Feb 2012 #92

I need it when my blood sugar goes too low but I am a diabetic. Jennicut Feb 2012 #101

Yes, it does IDemo Feb 2012 #122

yes BUT there is no dietary need for added sweetening in most foods.... mike_c Feb 2012 #16

Ok, his sounds better than mine, but its the same idea. n/t renie408 Feb 2012 #18

I find it interesting that you treat one of the most natural foods in the world--honey, the same as niyad Feb 2012 #22

The sugar ratios of honey and HFCS are virtually identical. Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #25

and one is completely natural, and one isn't niyad Feb 2012 #27

Sugar content is sugar content Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #44

Crude Oil is natural MattBaggins Feb 2012 #96

Don't forget that "natural", tobacco NNN0LHI Feb 2012 #97

I don't think he mans it's the same, just that there is no specific dietary need for either. renie408 Feb 2012 #26

honey is an interesting case.... mike_c Feb 2012 #39

Well, shit. renie408 Feb 2012 #40

And...? HuckleB Feb 2012 #42

I love stevia! Odin2005 Feb 2012 #56

Good for you. HuckleB Feb 2012 #57

I like it too... mike_c Feb 2012 #64

That sounds like a lot of work. HuckleB Feb 2012 #67

It tastes ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #79

I like it too Dorian Gray Feb 2012 #93

the primary difference between honey and HFCS... mike_c Feb 2012 #43

Try having unsweetened coffee muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #86

Strange thing about honey xmas74 Feb 2012 #58

I use honey for allergies hfojvt Feb 2012 #60

I've done that in the past xmas74 Feb 2012 #71

that's probably because it doesn't have a neutral sweet taste.... mike_c Feb 2012 #61

I know you're not picking a fight. xmas74 Feb 2012 #72

I quite agree with you on that. Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #50

Agave syrup is really bad -- up to 90% fructose -- much worse than HFCS FarCenter Feb 2012 #54

yup, it's marketed as a "natural" replacement sweetener and it's worse than HFCS.... mike_c Feb 2012 #62

That's not really true obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #109

The reason that it has a low glycemic index is that it contains mostly fructose and little glucose FarCenter Feb 2012 #126

Scientists would specify what sugar they were talking about bhikkhu Feb 2012 #17

They did, but editorial decisions suck at times nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #70

At what age can we stop listening to experts? undeterred Feb 2012 #20

yes, let's talk about sugar, and not all the chemicals and other crap that is in our food and our niyad Feb 2012 #23

Hey, I have a better idea! Let's multitask and talk about all that stuff. renie408 Feb 2012 #29

+1 HuckleB Feb 2012 #33

Well to be exact they are talking of HCFS nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #68

No, they're attacking added sucrose too muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #87

Oh my God, how did I ever live to a ripe ol' age? demosincebirth Feb 2012 #24

How old are you? I am shooting for a healthy 100. renie408 Feb 2012 #28

We should have been dead 40 years ago. I'm heading to a healthy 75. 100, eh? Congrats. I eat demosincebirth Feb 2012 #114

Oh my GOD! Aren't pointless anecdotes AWESOME! HuckleB Feb 2012 #31

The No Fun Gestapo At It Again I See NeedleCast Feb 2012 #34

Nice logical fallacy you've offered up! HuckleB Feb 2012 #37

Video on the topic by the authors of the Nature editorial: HuckleB Feb 2012 #36

A MUCH better link to the story about this editorial in NATURE... HuckleB Feb 2012 #41

Capitalism at its finest! cbrer Feb 2012 #45

Wow! HuckleB Feb 2012 #47

Nah. Patronize your local bakery instead. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #49

Sugar, starch and fat -- the three major food groups! FarCenter Feb 2012 #55

You forgot bacon. Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #139

K&R burrowowl Feb 2012 #52

having too much dihydrogen monoxide will kill you, too. provis99 Feb 2012 #53

Beat me to it. hobbit709 Feb 2012 #90

High Fructose Corn Syrup nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #66

It's not just HFCS. HuckleB Feb 2012 #69

Other experts will tell you that is baloney Major Nikon Feb 2012 #77

It is all the combined crap we put in food nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #111

I blame the bees. The original peddlers of fructose. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #134

Sucrose is the same. It still has fructose. Paulie Feb 2012 #78

No it does not nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #112

Sure it does Major Nikon Feb 2012 #128

Read what you wrote, second paragraph nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #129

Read what you wrote Major Nikon Feb 2012 #131

Well to each it's own nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #135

It's not exactly the same, but the effect on your body is pretty much identical Major Nikon Feb 2012 #130

Just what we need. ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #80

I have an alcoholic family member. Akoto Feb 2012 #84

It does, just takes years to show Paulie Feb 2012 #88

Then I must ask how long, because ... Akoto Feb 2012 #123

The best nutritional decision I made was giving up refined sugars. BlueIris Feb 2012 #94

I did that about 25 years ago and have not regretted it slackmaster Feb 2012 #117

I've finally found a group to be called 'Health Nazis': adults intimidating children at convenience muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #95

Good grief! HappyMe Feb 2012 #98

Use the google to search the term "food desert." nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #118

So alcohol is just as safe as sugar..... excellent news! Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #103

Another topic on which everyone is an expert. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #104

lol! Dream on, DreamerT! HappyMe Feb 2012 #105

....water can kill you if you drink too much of it in one sitting. Occulus Feb 2012 #108

I say add a huge tax to sugar just like is on tobacco and alcohol. bighart Feb 2012 #106

I use very little refined sugar, but this is the dumbest "sciencey" thing I've read in a long time. slackmaster Feb 2012 #113

Why are folks not getting informed on this before posting uninformed comments? Swede Feb 2012 #115

Fine...how do I get all this sugar out of my blood? Rex Feb 2012 #119

Just take an insulin overdose. Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #140

Alcohol isn't regulated because it's toxic Spike89 Feb 2012 #120

+ one million - a cool breeze of reason. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #121

Sugar in what form? Sucrose? Fructose? Glucose? Avalux Feb 2012 #124

This should be a lesson to us all not to trust some scientists Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #125

A doughnut wouldn't affect my ability to drive IDemo Feb 2012 #137

True, true, such as death. Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #141

Ok, drink sucralose (Splenda) and aspartame (Nutrasweet) and see what happens. roamer65 Feb 2012 #133

I've been drinking diet sodas since their advent to good effect! Doomy_Tunes Dec 2017 #143

A minimum drinking age for pop is stupid fujiyama Feb 2012 #136