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78. I wasn't thrilled to hear it but

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 03:14 PM

Mar 2013

haven't been pleased with much of the current-day analysis of Iraq war and pre-war, as few if any have noted one clear omission re: Nay-sayers: Wes Clark. Somehow Dems ignored him then, and continue to do so.

'And one of the principles that we operate on in this country is that leaders are held accountable. The simple truth is that we went into Iraq on the basis of some intuition, some fear, and some exaggerated rhetoric and some very, very scanty evidence.

We found a situation that wasn't at all what was predicted. We're in there now, we're committed, we need to do our best. But that's a classic presidential-level misjudgment.'

http://articles.cnn.com/2003-08-14/politics/cnna.clark_1_draft-clark-iraq-war-cnn-s-aaron-brown/2?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

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Lawrence O'Donnell's anti Clinton propoganda last night [View all] dsc Mar 2013 OP

Maybe because Clinton is the only one who supported Bush's decision to invade blm Mar 2013 #1

that is baldly false dsc Mar 2013 #11

No, it isn't ProSense Mar 2013 #12

You posted nothing that changes what I said. BTW - you actually BELIEVED blm Mar 2013 #13

Well BLM, if anyone can explain the Clintons to DU, it's you. Good Luck with that though KittyWampus Mar 2013 #14

Of course, you know this, but I agree with you, blm David Zephyr Mar 2013 #123

I understand. I'll support her as nominee, but, not in primary if someone blm Mar 2013 #129

Words have ZERO value Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #92

dsc, you are reading way too much into Lawrence O'Donnell's segment. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #126

She REFUSED to read the NIE. And she NEVER apologized to this day Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2013 #136

She was a warhawk, no doubt about it pscot Mar 2013 #16

Bingo. And she saw a run at the presidency in the future as well Ishoutandscream2 Mar 2013 #17

If that were true, she had very POOR insight into the voters she represented karynnj Mar 2013 #103

I'm sure many American Jews opposed the Iraq invasion pscot Mar 2013 #111

She still is a warhawk. If it were up to her we'd be at war with Iran right now IMO. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #108

and Syria. blm Mar 2013 #118

+1 proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #70

Thank you blm. n/t. MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #72

The Clintons deserve all the criticism they've received on this anniversary. Moses2SandyKoufax Mar 2013 #2

I noticed. DURHAM D Mar 2013 #3

He knows how cozy the Clintons have been w/ the Bush family & how they allowed the Dem. party to KittyWampus Mar 2013 #7

it was probably clintons economics policies RedstDem Mar 2013 #26

Somewhat, but, we'd be 10trillion times better off if Bush's tax and economic policies had NOT blm Mar 2013 #33

not really RedstDem Mar 2013 #38

Yes, really AgingAmerican Mar 2013 #56

I concur. Big difference from Clinton and the Bush policies that crashed economy blm Mar 2013 #84

He was the chief of staff for the Finance committee during that time karynnj Mar 2013 #104

Many DUers think the same of her so I don't see it as 'propaganda'. randome Mar 2013 #4

good for Lawrence, it's the damn truth. Whisp Mar 2013 #5

Frankly, there isn't ANY Dem who had more access to actual Iraq intel than Bill blm Mar 2013 #10

that is baldly false dsc Mar 2013 #24

Actually they do get ongoing CIA briefings. It's part of the perks of ex-presidenting Bucky Mar 2013 #31

Baloney - Bill Clinton had access as president to classified intel that senators never had blm Mar 2013 #34

Is anything anyone's fault anymore dsc Mar 2013 #35

I agree that Blair and Dem lawmakers SHOULD NOT have trusted Bill Clinton on Iraq, dsc. blm Mar 2013 #37

*crickets* lolol blm Mar 2013 #130

Resorting to "clenis" nonsense is ridiculous karynnj Mar 2013 #109

Bill used his power to support war and Bush's decision to go to war. He knew exactly blm Mar 2013 #114

And now the "clenis" and Bushes are best friends! They call Bill their son!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2013 #137

That implies that there was a significant amount of new information karynnj Mar 2013 #106

Frankly Clinton and Kerry both made me ill. chieftain Mar 2013 #6

Hillary ProSense Mar 2013 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author politicasista Mar 2013 #23

Like Lady Macbeth, she can't remove the blood on her hands. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #8

Oi Bucky Mar 2013 #29

lol, "Hell is empty and all the devils are here" Jersey Devil Mar 2013 #49

Propaganda? As in you're claiming she DIDN'T make those comments or vote for the war? Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #15

No but say Fox had run the following last night dsc Mar 2013 #25

Typical for FOX. O'Donnell is not a propagandist who thinks his audience is dumb blm Mar 2013 #86

It's strange that of all that was said in that entire segment, Whisp Mar 2013 #18

strange indeed and strangely familiar AtomicKitten Mar 2013 #57

Sometimes having a successful political career means voting against your conscience. Generation_Why Mar 2013 #19

there's the thing: career vs. doing the right thing. Whisp Mar 2013 #20

Eh. If her vote didn't matter, I'm not sure she 'shares' anything. randome Mar 2013 #21

which is 'the' vote that mattered then. Whisp Mar 2013 #22

What conscience? She is 100% political, for better or worse. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #85

I see Hillary as the perfect prosicuter olddots Mar 2013 #27

I have to say it is nothing short of disgusting that apparently the majority of DU dsc Mar 2013 #28

Are you old enough to remember the hit pieces done on Lee Hart? Bucky Mar 2013 #30

We had our own version of that in Ohio dsc Mar 2013 #32

O'Donnell isn't running a propaganda campaign against Hillary. He ran the truth and blm Mar 2013 #36

Ouch- the truth hurts. Sad but true. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #40

what attacks on Kerry in 06? dsc Mar 2013 #41

Troops stuck in Iraq ring a bell? HeyJohn website that received instant attention from Politico? blm Mar 2013 #47

and in real time I said dsc Mar 2013 #50

But that wasn't the point. Hillary pushes RW propaganda on other Dems blm Mar 2013 #54

I will note that you have given no link at all as to Hillary doing anything dsc Mar 2013 #55

Scroll down - I linked the DU thread from back then down-thread. blm Mar 2013 #62

yes dsc Mar 2013 #63

How uninformed would one have to be to think the only Dem supporting Iraq war was Hillary? blm Mar 2013 #66

would you have been ok with my fox example, yes or no dsc Mar 2013 #68

That example is absurd. No one is STUPID enough to believe that O'Donnell was trying blm Mar 2013 #69

really dsc Mar 2013 #71

Horsepoo - there is nothing remotely similar. And I already gave blm Mar 2013 #74

that is just plain false dsc Mar 2013 #76

You're right, Hillary and Lieberman were on the exact same page - he could've used Joe blm Mar 2013 #80

Oh really dsc Mar 2013 #87

I never repeated RW lies against Dean. I used facts from his centrist past blm Mar 2013 #89

Here is you quoting the Weekly Standard to attack Dean dsc Mar 2013 #93

It's not a RW attack piece on Dean - It's RW CATO support for Dean's centrism. You said I repeated blm Mar 2013 #96

It is still rife with lies dsc Mar 2013 #100

I highlighted his CENTRISM. I posted what was TRUE and you don't like it, so blm Mar 2013 #105

you posted crap from a known liar dsc Mar 2013 #110

Get a life, dsc - you chose excerpts that I did not, moving the goalposts as you always do. blm Mar 2013 #112

the piece contained lies from a known liar dsc Mar 2013 #113

Did I excerpt lies or did I excerpt truth? I excerpted the truth and you know it. blm Mar 2013 #115

This is where I differ from you dsc Mar 2013 #116

Oh for Pete's sake - give it up - you're reaching for sh!t that isn't there. blm Mar 2013 #117

that is an out and out lie dsc Mar 2013 #119

You missed the point entirely - Moore wrote about Dean glowingly years before primary. blm Mar 2013 #120

Oh no you are not going to get away with this dsc Mar 2013 #121

I said you were fine with what Moore wrote about Dean BEFORE he ran... blm Mar 2013 #124

and I search in google and there were no articles dsc Mar 2013 #127

Oh and on top of every other lie on your post dsc Mar 2013 #122

Big deal, dsc - I posted Moore's earlier thoughts on Dean, you didn't like it so you post blm Mar 2013 #125

dsc: Wahhhhhhhhhhh! Moore liked Dean before Dems did. blm Mar 2013 #128

I am still waiting for you to put up or shut up dsc May 2013 #144

Consider several things: karynnj Mar 2013 #132

Thank you for your consistently thoughtful posts. blm Mar 2013 #138

You are quite welcome - and I thank you for ALL the posts here karynnj Mar 2013 #139

She said Kerry's skipping one word in a joke written for him karynnj Mar 2013 #131

LINK??? How did Hillary join McCain/Bush in campain against Kerry? Skip Intro Mar 2013 #42

you have a better chance of winning the lotto without buying a ticket dsc Mar 2013 #45

Troops stuck in Iraq ring a bell? HeyJohn website that received instant attention from Politico? blm Mar 2013 #48

Hillary Clinton was a victim of the Iraq war? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #91

Hope he keeps it up krawhitham Mar 2013 #39

It wasn't "propoganda." H2O Man Mar 2013 #43

well if you only saw his piece it wasn't all too many dsc Mar 2013 #44

I'm appalled by the attempted rewriting of history on this tread Ichingcarpenter Mar 2013 #99

so you like the flat tax dsc Mar 2013 #134

She actually did support the war, though, Jamaal510 Mar 2013 #46

My problem was calling out dsc Mar 2013 #52

I hope he reports her warmongering past every day Oilwellian Mar 2013 #133

wha wha whaaat? ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #51

sniff...sniff...sniff...The meany O'Donnell didn't give Hillary's bullshit a pass TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #53

+ AtomicKitten Mar 2013 #58

No he just gave all the other Democrats a pass dsc Mar 2013 #60

They did the first part - and more - using cherry picked sentences out of context - in 2005. karynnj Mar 2013 #140

How is it not a higher standard dsc Mar 2013 #141

Read the sentence - I SAY she is - held to a higher standard here karynnj Mar 2013 #143

BRAVO!! Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #61

+++ what is needed is a person of good and strong character Whisp Mar 2013 #67

I saw that segment, and came away with a completely different impression. The wonders of modern.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2013 #59

Please don't lie about what I post dsc Mar 2013 #64

I apologize. You're exactly right. That was another Clintonite. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2013 #65

I am not a Clintonite dsc Mar 2013 #75

Ok then, Clintonista. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2013 #83

Come on, the Clintons created the DLC. They have always been Republican-Lite. Zen Democrat Mar 2013 #73

Yes, I'll vote a Repub/lite over a crazy conservative too, but we should have better choices. n/t whathehell Mar 2013 #79

No, he did show at least one other congressman whathehell Mar 2013 #77

I just rewatched and you are just plain wrong dsc Mar 2013 #82

Well, since you're so gracious and polite about it whathehell Mar 2013 #88

Go ahead and watch it dsc Mar 2013 #90

I wasn't thrilled to hear it but elleng Mar 2013 #78

Hillary pushed the Afghanistan surge, Libya, Syria intervention-- TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #81

she opposed Libya dsc Mar 2013 #94

What? That's not true: TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #95

I know - this rewriting of Clinton's time in the senate and at State is just amazing to me. blm Mar 2013 #97

Total fiction. I don't know if they're misinformed or delusional. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #98

Or tactical. eom Purveyor Mar 2013 #102

^^ ding-ding^^ blm Mar 2013 #107

I think I might nominate this thread Ichingcarpenter Mar 2013 #101

Sorry. Larry O was right!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2013 #135

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