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redqueen

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232. Just FYI, she doesn't consider herself a feminist.

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Fri Mar 22, 2013, 03:15 PM

Mar 2013

She says herself on her blog that she is not.

Her cause is getting more women in tech.

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Woman who gets man fired for penis joke, gets fired herself [View all] LittleBlue Mar 2013 OP

there's a difference between light-hearted jokes and harrassment Skittles Mar 2013 #1

Thank you.. sendero Mar 2013 #150

If they had not wanted us to make jokes about dongles they should have named them CBGLuthier Mar 2013 #2

Both my wife and I refer to USB thumb drives as "dongles." MineralMan Mar 2013 #5

Two people lost their jobs over nonsense. MineralMan Mar 2013 #3

It was at a Python conference...what do you expect? Xithras Mar 2013 #253

Good. LuvNewcastle Mar 2013 #4

It's petty people like her that make society a horrible place to live... Generation_Why Mar 2013 #6

People tend to take grudges away from the places MineralMan Mar 2013 #8

Here is her blog post. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #7

*sigh!* All of this HappyMe Mar 2013 #9

SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #10

That's why some are wondering if it's a hoax LittleBlue Mar 2013 #11

No, a warning to the joke teller would have sufficed Warpy Mar 2013 #12

The accusation that she "got him fired" is dishonest. redqueen Mar 2013 #15

SEE? SHE REALLY *IS* JOAN OF ARC! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #29

Also Joan of Arc The Evangelist! NBachers Mar 2013 #142

I'd make an Arc joke Gore1FL Mar 2013 #160

Yes, the company overreacted and she beame a lightning rod Warpy Mar 2013 #36

Watch it now... redqueen Mar 2013 #41

Enough of this kind of bullshit goes on Warpy Mar 2013 #42

... reminds me of when one of my friends wrote an article and mistyped "floppy disk testers" as RKP5637 Mar 2013 #76

Now that's funny! Warpy Mar 2013 #79

"floppy dick" is funny, but "dongle" is offensive? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #139

"Dongle" jokes, done repeatedly Warpy Mar 2013 #210

From the OP: "apparently made a joke" ... see that letter "a"? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #234

Way back in the 14th century Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #112

... RKP5637 Mar 2013 #121

Oh, sure, I bet you'd rather pay for the full version of MS Word. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #140

If she had acted like a grown up and an equal... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #45

She's had prior incidents LittleBlue Mar 2013 #52

If I understand the arc of the story (with or without Joan) she was fired for making penis jokes.... MADem Mar 2013 #138

Interesting. Thanks for posting n/t deutsey Mar 2013 #192

High maintenance female evangelist... Dryvinwhileblind Mar 2013 #70

Oh, please union_maid Mar 2013 #113

I AGREE Skittles Mar 2013 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #170

The venue had rules against such beavis and buttheaddery. Therefore she had a right not to hear it. redqueen Mar 2013 #171

This message was self-deleted by its author Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #172

Yes, minimize it. Ignore that it wasn't the first time she heard such 'jokes' at a tech conference redqueen Mar 2013 #174

Wow. Person "A" sitting in the audience says something to Person "B" Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #206

They were sitting IN THE FUCKING AUDIENCE, and she tweeted their picture. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #201

Not actually prudish. She has no problem with penis jokes as long as she is making them. DanTex Mar 2013 #209

That's what I read too. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #223

She didn't just complain on Twitter. DanTex Mar 2013 #178

I put that in the category of suspending a kid because he brought lemon drops to school. MissMarple Mar 2013 #13

Business nowadays is to blame ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #80

"She refers to herself as "Joan of Arc" protecting the workplace from sexism." UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #14

Just so people know the context LittleBlue Mar 2013 #16

There are people who mistake themselves for the cause they purport to advocate for, when this patrice Mar 2013 #30

Very cogent reply jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #68

Wow, things really spiraled out of control. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #17

I doubt she expected that he would be fired. redqueen Mar 2013 #22

And I'm certain she was happy when she learned she got someone fired tabasco Mar 2013 #260

You weren't the only one thinking that. mwooldri Mar 2013 #104

For the non-technical people Sgent Mar 2013 #18

Thank you for that! jorno67 Mar 2013 #19

Thanks! I just had to go read the wiki on "developer evangelist" as well - although petronius Mar 2013 #33

Although that works in this context Sgent Mar 2013 #40

You can bet that pissing off developers is not in the job description for "developer evangelist"..nt Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #48

And ... when it comes to forking and spawning child processes too! And then RKP5637 Mar 2013 #74

Technical meaning for this use of fork. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #107

No, it was fork in the sense of version control Recursion Mar 2013 #180

argo fork yourself Skittles Mar 2013 #237

You can't be too serious in this day and age... Blanks Mar 2013 #20

She did this for sport, because she could Mopar151 Mar 2013 #21

"Social Justice Warriors" Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #27

hahaha!!! perfect!! opiate69 Mar 2013 #89

Bwahahah! lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #193

Exactly. She is the problem here. Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #284

First time I heard my wife say "I need to order a dongle for work" I laughed for 15 minutes. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #23

Same thing happened to me but with my husband. RiffRandell Mar 2013 #251

She didn't "get him fired". redqueen Mar 2013 #24

As far as the story goes, she overheard one sexual innuendo that was not Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #31

No, she already had a discussion with another man about why such talk was inappropriate. redqueen Mar 2013 #39

I thought she has also made penis jokes on her twitter feed Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #44

She made the TSA crotch-groping joke on her public twitter feed. At that conference. Recursion Mar 2013 #181

What rules apply to what can be said on Twitter? redqueen Mar 2013 #186

When your twitter feed is the main component of your job? Whatever your company says Recursion Mar 2013 #187

How was it not wrong to post the guys' pictures? DanTex Mar 2013 #190

Whatever it takes Recursion Mar 2013 #250

I didn't know her Twitter feed was work-related. redqueen Mar 2013 #191

If your intent is that theKed Mar 2013 #198

So her increased level of annoyance enlightenment Mar 2013 #228

No. I think she overreacted. redqueen Mar 2013 #231

Okay. enlightenment Mar 2013 #242

"I think the whole thing spun out of rationality early." That's Twitter for you. apnu Mar 2013 #214

That's a good point gollygee Mar 2013 #233

True that (nt) apnu Mar 2013 #240

What? "Making sexual innuendos on your own blog" is fine, but LTX Mar 2013 #155

You find it insulting that I can differentiate between places where there are restrictions on speech redqueen Mar 2013 #161

Fascinating. LTX Mar 2013 #168

Depressing. redqueen Mar 2013 #176

Make up your mind. Is Joan of Arc a righeous crusader for workplace virtue or did the boss do it? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #194

Seriously? NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #205

I guess we'll have to change 142 million pieces of documentation snooper2 Mar 2013 #25

Put your dongle back where it belongs demwing Mar 2013 #32

Those aren't dongles. They are gender changers. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #46

well now your just bragging demwing Mar 2013 #54

Live by the sword, die by the sword. (Um, I don't mean "sword" as euphemism.) Bucky Mar 2013 #26

Firing for this is too harsh Downtown Hound Mar 2013 #28

yeah, that's about the sum of it. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #294

Ugh jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #34

Not to go too deep into things, but it's kind of enough to know a few things JVS Mar 2013 #57

that's what think is enough because it confirms your own BainsBane Mar 2013 #95

You are ascribing views to me in order to confirm your biases. JVS Mar 2013 #108

He lost his job BainsBane Mar 2013 #269

"that's what think is enough because it confirms" snooper2 Mar 2013 #135

A 'serial offender'? Was he a murderer, rapist, bank robber? How do you mean 'he was a serial sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #262

No one should have been fired here, period. (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #35

The first guy's company has said it wasn't just this Recursion Mar 2013 #37

Amazing that that little factoid isn't mentioned in the OP. redqueen Mar 2013 #47

She overheard a comment and over reacted. Jenoch Mar 2013 #117

Where did you draw that from? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #56

Some Python blog (I vaguely know most of these people) Recursion Mar 2013 #73

I didn't gather that from their statement. tammywammy Mar 2013 #58

Wow!! How horrific! The guy makes bad jokes. Why isn't he in jail? Surely this must be against sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #264

Be extremely careful when posting anything about your company over social media. Incitatus Mar 2013 #38

Oh, hell no riqster Mar 2013 #62

Is "forking a dongle" really ok on DU? Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #43

Dongle = penis? edbermac Mar 2013 #49

In her warped mind it is krawhitham Mar 2013 #252

This blogger OVERHEARD a comment. It was a comment Jenoch Mar 2013 #50

Chances of it unfolding as described are highly unlikely BainsBane Mar 2013 #51

His job search is doing to be difficult, methinks. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #55

Maybe, maybe not. mwooldri Mar 2013 #102

I think he'll find a job pretty quickly. She, otoh, will probably find it hard to get a job.. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #265

This ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #61

My 85 year old MIL just read this and in a deadpan voice said and I quote uselessobot Mar 2013 #53

Ms. Richards on dating Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #60

Zzzzz.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #67

Couldn't get past the first five minutes Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #71

I watched it, it only confirms uselessobots hunch...nt Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #78

I randomly clicked on what was about 10 minutes in, and... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #152

She doesn't date because of past "drama"? LittleBlue Mar 2013 #72

Hmm... davidthegnome Mar 2013 #91

Self absorbed obsessive compulsive is more apt. Puglover Mar 2013 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author Puglover Mar 2013 #217

Mrs. Goldstein watched, and says she'd not make a good Pope MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #129

I LOLed at the part where she talked about how one guy yammered on and on about himself. EOTE Mar 2013 #245

she "likes tall guys"... HEY! THAT! IS! OBJECTIFICATION!!!!!!!! Come on, chant with me! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #268

I hate when women act so childishly. SamReynolds Mar 2013 #59

Huh, I didn't think we were at a point Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #159

Thanks for calling that out. Huge tell right there. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #163

No problem, I kinda couldn't believe Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #189

It is sad... zaireeka Mar 2013 #173

P.S. zaireeka Mar 2013 #177

That's true. "Childish" should only describe Adria... and her cheerleaders. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #197

I did no such thing. SamReynolds Mar 2013 #261

Many people really need to chill out! This, is ridiculous. Frankly, I'm pleased she RKP5637 Mar 2013 #63

Oh that the job market would improve immensely treestar Mar 2013 #64

Joan of Arc? Really? Apophis Mar 2013 #65

No offense but this woman wouldn't survive in an office full of GIs. I can tell you southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #66

You better edit, quick ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #69

Thanks I just didn't catch it. Glad you did. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #75

That's probably still not good enough ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #82

You have a point. But lets see for now. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #83

It's a festering swamp of teeming giant dongles! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #96

Wow. That's absurd. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #244

It was just some advice, I'm not an alerter ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #247

Excellent point about how she could have corrected the behavior in situ . . . but chose patrice Mar 2013 #85

And the man wouldn't have lost his job. What a stupid woman. Karma comes back at southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #92

All of us need to ask ourselves, in every way, what's more important: ridicule? or learning? nt patrice Mar 2013 #109

Good point. I bet both of them wished they could take that day back. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #110

I think that would be a beautiful thing if they could. nt patrice Mar 2013 #211

certainly would. nt southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #213

She wasn't working with GIs BainsBane Mar 2013 #88

She should of handled it on a personal matter. Then if the man kept it up then report him. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #94

The man was a serial offender BainsBane Mar 2013 #97

Whatever. I am not on trial here. Forget. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #101

I did not mean to put you on trial. BainsBane Mar 2013 #125

All I was trying to say that I have seen with my own eyes women using salty language like southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #151

If your son was in as much danger of being sufrommich Mar 2013 #169

On what do you base your claim this man is a serial offender? Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #123

Recursion says he knows the people involved BainsBane Mar 2013 #126

No, I don't think that's accurate DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #134

that's what I took from post 37 BainsBane Mar 2013 #137

I don't know him personally; I've interacted with most of these people on Python mailing lists Recursion Mar 2013 #182

somehow I always knew BainsBane Mar 2013 #226

Ive never heard of "dongle" before darkangel218 Mar 2013 #77

That's a temporary license to use a software. DetlefK Mar 2013 #154

Originally and today they were devices to prevent piracy CBGLuthier Mar 2013 #227

Well, she would have a hell of a time as an electrician where they use butt connectors! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2013 #81

Don't forget secondvariety Mar 2013 #86

LOL! And then we've got the old knob and tube wiring! And telco with butt end testers! RKP5637 Mar 2013 #99

Believe it or not, I recently brought a new line of cock hole covers into my department NBachers Mar 2013 #145

Do you have some "pet cocks" too? LOL RKP5637 Mar 2013 #166

Don't forget your "Dykes" yourout Mar 2013 #127

Yep! Sometimes I call them side cutters now depending where I'm at ... we used to RKP5637 Mar 2013 #162

butt connectors, those are nothing compared to my old snooper2 Mar 2013 #136

... RKP5637 Mar 2013 #164

"Unit" Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #143

Great!!! RKP5637 Mar 2013 #165

Rigging on tall ships has c**t splices Recursion Mar 2013 #185

Wow!!! I never knew that ... I learn something new on DU every day! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2013 #200

I'm glad I work in the field. secondvariety Mar 2013 #84

She should have never posted the guy's picture to begin with RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #87

Yeah really. JVS Mar 2013 #132

A crusader in her own mind quinnox Mar 2013 #90

My first question was... Union Scribe Mar 2013 #263

work place rules 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #93

You mean the "TALL" guys. That's as far as I could get NBachers Mar 2013 #146

The Venturebeat article says she's now getting sufrommich Mar 2013 #98

4chan AngryAmish Mar 2013 #158

This story is a Rorschach test BainsBane Mar 2013 #100

isn't everything? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #103

That's Slash! ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #111

I know. Paging Elad! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #118

Perhaps. JVS Mar 2013 #114

How could you post such an obscene graphic on DU? guardian Mar 2013 #203

They'd hide it too BainsBane Mar 2013 #225

Another view ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #105

So she nerd shames a couple of guys for lifetime of frustrations? union_maid Mar 2013 #115

Well bless your heart. ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #116

That wouldn't be a microaggression, would it? EOTE Mar 2013 #215

It's their latest thing. sibelian Mar 2013 #278

I hear ya! pacalo Mar 2013 #124

"a lifetime of microaggressions" sibelian Mar 2013 #122

Are you unfamiliar with the concept? redqueen Mar 2013 #148

would you consider getting fired from your job over a "dongle" joke Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #144

No, that's a macroaggression. EOTE Mar 2013 #216

You don't have to be dismissive of microaggressions to find what she did to be way out of line. DanTex Mar 2013 #184

+1 deutsey Mar 2013 #188

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2013 #255

What a stupid mess. DanTex Mar 2013 #106

That's the tragedy here jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #119

That attention meant she could no longer be effective at her job jeff47 Mar 2013 #207

And she exposed how effective she is at her job in front of the world. dkf Mar 2013 #277

Moral of the story: technology is not always your friend. Beacool Mar 2013 #120

Nitpick - this was not at his work place jeff47 Mar 2013 #208

Maybe so, but if it's related to one's job it's the same. Beacool Mar 2013 #243

Driving my blood center bus one day three women riding with me brewens Mar 2013 #128

I have a good friend, a woman, who was fired for making an off-color... Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2013 #241

"Python"? Really? Sounds like some sort of ding-a-ling joke. MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #130

The racist posts on her facebook page are deplorable.. HipChick Mar 2013 #131

Maybe we should change the names of Dongles. I thought maybe he opened a door for her The Straight Story Mar 2013 #133

You know, I actually thought the Dongles were okay. Their lead singer was kind of hot. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #141

no, that's the "Dangles" not the "Bangles"... n/t Locrian Mar 2013 #153

Still is... DanTex Mar 2013 #167

What bullshit. lonestarnot Mar 2013 #147

Indeed n/t deutsey Mar 2013 #156

I don't know what to think gollygee Mar 2013 #157

The issue is not just sexism at the tech conference. It is also public shaming of DanTex Mar 2013 #175

She would fit right in with the umbrage brigade around here. Exultant Democracy Mar 2013 #179

LOL. Yup, pretty much. NT EOTE Mar 2013 #212

As a woman, I sure wouldn't want to work with her mainer Mar 2013 #183

I guess I don't understand - is "big dongle" a sexual reference?? cbdo2007 Mar 2013 #195

Yes, but it contains the word "dong" as well. EOTE Mar 2013 #220

When I first read it, I thought he was on the stage. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #273

great blog on the issue, with a bit of her history geek_sabre Mar 2013 #196

Excellent post. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #199

So basically, this is someone who spends all their time running around looking for things to get Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #204

Yes. It's like the "opening doors for women is benevolent sexism" thing. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #222

I wonder what her username is? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #236

I wondered the exact same thing, Warren. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #274

I read a bunch of blogs about the incident, and tblue37 Mar 2013 #276

Did anyone open a door for her? NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #202

Maybe? Puglover Mar 2013 #218

She had a right to tweet about it. But NOT to ID him. mainer Mar 2013 #219

Stupid people get what they deserve the most. Rex Mar 2013 #221

the nerds have begun feeding on each other....this is bad....nt Evasporque Mar 2013 #224

A perspective from a woman in the dev community who's worked with Adria. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #229

Interesting article. I feel bad for everyone harmed by this. nt. polly7 Mar 2013 #230

Just FYI, she doesn't consider herself a feminist. redqueen Mar 2013 #232

...time to distance from her? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #238

Her cause is claiming sexist BS and getting random strangers fired Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #285

Well she's getting rape and death threats now so redqueen Mar 2013 #287

I do not approve of that, but that's the internet, it brings out the worst in people... Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #288

Yeah, it's totally her fault. Totally. redqueen Mar 2013 #289

I already said I do not approve of those comments Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #290

"SHE'S the one who took it there. She wanted the attention and now she has it. " redqueen Mar 2013 #291

Public opinion, usually a fair judge of these things, is against her Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #292

That's why this sort of over-the-top "social justice warrior" behavior is a guaranteed win-win. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #293

This whole conversation about her here and elsewhere sufrommich Mar 2013 #239

Excellent post. redqueen Mar 2013 #246

Very well said sufrommich. MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #248

And this blog, by a woman in the field, says she's just a whackadoodle ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #249

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN OVERREACTION! EVAH! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #258

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2013 #256

translation: This makes people who complain about things like "dongle" jokes look like petty tyrants Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #257

Absolutely. BainsBane Mar 2013 #270

First of all, there was no sexism or mysogyny related to the original Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #271

You know, if engineers got fired every time they made social faux-pas... MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #254

It could also explain the collapse of our technology to a new stone age. JVS Mar 2013 #266

It's all about power with some people tabasco Mar 2013 #259

She's going to parlay this into a career as an internet Klaxon, no doubt. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #267

Yep! Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #272

The collective has her name now. I suspect she is about to start hating life n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #286

I hear tell that AMC is having a problem with Jon Hamm's dongle Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #275

And here I sit, still two months away from getting my dongle management degree from DeVry. Kurovski Mar 2013 #279

Apparently, all you need is a good pair of boxers to tame one of those suckers. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #280

Sure, that's what Hanes, Inc. WANTS you to believe. Kurovski Mar 2013 #281

The Fruit-Loom-Industrial Complex. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #282

And now...you are on their list Kurovski Mar 2013 #283