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JDPriestly

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14. Here's the problem.

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 01:23 AM

Mar 2013

I don't know what macedoniaonline is about.

If true, this phrase is troubling: "the CIA will collect information on individuals thought to be America's enemies."

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/22962/56/

How would the CIA define "America"?

Would that mean anybody the CIA doesn't happen to like?

Then what does "America's enemies" mean?

Does that include anyone who says anything the CIA doesn't like?

And then who is the CIA? Who in the CIA decides how the CIA defines "America"? Who in the CIA decides what "America's enemies" mean?

I have the same problem with the Patriot Act. It invites arbitrary enforcement and abuse because it uses language that is very, very overbroad and vague.

Normally in the law, you can define the elements that must be present for an act to constitute a crime or a civil wrong. That is not true with these kinds of laws.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] damnedifIknow Mar 2013 OP

I'll have to up my game if I'm playing to a wider audience. bluedigger Mar 2013 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #3

On the contrary. Ask every one of your facebook friends to tag you in a foreign country. Baitball Blogger Mar 2013 #54

Privacy on FaceBook has always been a fantasy as is privacy on DU or anywhere online. (nt) nessa Mar 2013 #114

You? How many times do you think I posted on BCCI, IranContra, CIA drug running? ;) blm Mar 2013 #55

As if they care! Octafish Mar 2013 #79

no roundup necessary. We already live in our present and future prisons librechik Mar 2013 #116

Here in Detroit, we know that is reality. Octafish Mar 2013 #119

it's appalling, and another sign of things to come librechik Mar 2013 #121

HA! Richardo Mar 2013 #104

poopy doopy do0do0 hussain! flamingdem Mar 2013 #2

Copy that! Jane has a pink poodle. Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #10

Frank Church warned us. His committee was about the LAST time Congress held CIA, NSA accountablee Octafish Mar 2013 #4

I think it's time for another Church Committee. We've let the CIA run rampant since 9/11. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #16

Why? FuzzyRabbit Mar 2013 #30

Excellent suggestion, Comrade Grumpy! Octafish Mar 2013 #80

+1 HiPointDem Mar 2013 #24

Pike Committee scared the Reinhard Gehlen out of them in public. Octafish Mar 2013 #83

LOL snooper2 Mar 2013 #5

I can't image a better way of spying on people then Facebook. .... spin Mar 2013 #6

The US needs a data law like the EU green for victory Mar 2013 #19

The video was great! (n/t) spin Mar 2013 #88

Great vid!..nt Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #124

Facebook was designed to collect data about you and your friends, and sell it. leveymg Mar 2013 #29

Nah. You can always trust the government. ... spin Mar 2013 #89

Doesn't everyone? leveymg Mar 2013 #93

I'm impressed. aquart Mar 2013 #7

^^^ this idwiyo Mar 2013 #15

easy to analyze piles of data with computers, and very quickly, on an as-needed basis. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #25

Obiously you haven't had to retrieve email from the IRS from 2005 LOL n/t kickysnana Mar 2013 #58

Exactly, if sorting data is the goal, computers are the tool siligut Mar 2013 #65

If they're properly serviced. If you budget for maintenance and upgrades... aquart Mar 2013 #94

Yep. GoCubsGo Mar 2013 #117

So? The FBI still keeps tabs on me. Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #8

Good luck drinking from that 5 foot hose. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #9

I already assumed that they know everything I've done online since 1983 or so Orrex Mar 2013 #11

Me too. I also assume that they're interested in none of it. MineralMan Mar 2013 #64

Yeah, same here Orrex Mar 2013 #85

Tell that to the Occupiers targeted for preemptive arrest. snot Mar 2013 #126

Par for the course. Jamastiene Mar 2013 #12

Million $$$ question to CIA: can you process it all, morons? No, you can't. You should know it but idwiyo Mar 2013 #13

yeah, they're collecting it but they're too dumb to process it. that's the ticket. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #26

What is the largest database size did yo ever work with? idwiyo Mar 2013 #31

the entire database is not the database at the level of analysis. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #32

Entire set of data has to be processed first (sorted). THAT requires a hell of a lot of processing idwiyo Mar 2013 #33

'processing power' = cpu, not personnel. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #35

The problem is the size of initial data set, how long does it take to process and index, how fast idwiyo Mar 2013 #37

and yet, people are being convicted on the evidence of computer data. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #41

Still the same questions remain. We are not talking here about targeting one specific individual idwiyo Mar 2013 #43

and yet, those innocent persons were, in fact, convicted and punished. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #44

Yep, false positives. And criminals walked/walk free because of false negatives. Never mind we idwiyo Mar 2013 #51

but computers can access information that would not have been accessible in earlier times. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #90

Only after the raw data is processed and stored correctly. Oh, forgot to mention, backups. idwiyo Mar 2013 #91

They cut supercomputer grants under Bush. aquart Mar 2013 #95

Keep telling yourself that. Ignore the fact that Amazon's computers know... TheMadMonk Mar 2013 #39

i'm not the one saying they can't process the data. your remarks should be addressed to the HiPointDem Mar 2013 #40

Amazon computers store data. The initial data set has to be processed by said computers to something idwiyo Mar 2013 #42

and yet, if i made a death threat to some public official on social media, i'll bet federal agents HiPointDem Mar 2013 #45

Not unless someone else notifies them. Otherwise your chances to have a visit from FBI are very low. idwiyo Mar 2013 #49

That is true, but because people would report your threat. MineralMan Mar 2013 #60

Exactly. It's a Nobel prize right there if someone figures how to teach computer to sort the data idwiyo Mar 2013 #92

Only after it trends on Twitter. aquart Mar 2013 #96

And Yet RobinA Mar 2013 #99

Of course not, it's a huger dump that Wikileaks treestar Mar 2013 #59

Here's the problem. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #14

Don't even bother to worry about it. They have to convert piles of data into useful info and unless idwiyo Mar 2013 #17

don't worry, don't worry.... HiPointDem Mar 2013 #27

The CIA has a special team to do stupid stuff for them as do many places, they are called.... Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #36

Yes, and they do really stupid stuff, that's the main problem. I am not even going to start on the idwiyo Mar 2013 #38

I Can See It Now RobinA Mar 2013 #100

Don't give them ideas, please. :) Sadly I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is how idwiyo Mar 2013 #107

Hundreds dressed in camo, sitting in big cushy chairs, dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #108

It occurred to me today that in the early 2000s, and in spite of the fact that banks JDPriestly Mar 2013 #102

Well... I can tell you a little story about a database. idwiyo Mar 2013 #122

Hell I'm going on FaceBook and saying, "In the name of free speech FU." Lint Head Mar 2013 #18

For what purpose? Apophis Mar 2013 #20

networks of associations, and not only of 'terrorists'. and the other side of the coin is that HiPointDem Mar 2013 #28

The world is a little bigger than your imagination Horatio treestar Mar 2013 #69

If Bozo the Terrorist tweets his cousin that he'll be out of touch for a while aquart Mar 2013 #97

It would be more in the matter of making connections treestar Mar 2013 #110

If they keep looking, they will discover intelligence eventually Coyotl Mar 2013 #21

You win this thread!!! idwiyo Mar 2013 #125

Is there another source other than Macedonia online? progressoid Mar 2013 #22

So we can amass this data but can't do background checks? BVictor1 Mar 2013 #23

Meh! They'll get what they deserve. longship Mar 2013 #34

Now Langley just needs one more thing DFW Mar 2013 #46

Well, not quite the size of Bermuda... bluedigger Mar 2013 #56

$2 billion? DFW Mar 2013 #63

Considering it's ginormous size, it's a bargain. bluedigger Mar 2013 #68

Honestly that doesn't sound nearly enough for the project they discussed. aquart Mar 2013 #98

They might have inadvertently (not) left off a zero. DFW Mar 2013 #106

I will start every posting on FB with "FUCK THE CIA" hobbit709 Mar 2013 #47

CIA records public information. I'm shocked. NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #52

Anything you post online should be considered public, NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #53

Precisely. Right now, things like threats are investigated mainly MineralMan Mar 2013 #61

Look n the bright side nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #84

Another era nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #87

The CIA is late getting into that game....the NSA is the outfit I'd worry about more.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #50

It's public though treestar Mar 2013 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #62

Are you responding to my post or the OP treestar Mar 2013 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #70

That is not "spying" on people Jersey Devil Mar 2013 #67

A more accurate analogy nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #73

#sillysally OMG! Did you see Jason @ school? MineralMan Mar 2013 #71

At least little bush and romney are not in charge. Zax2me Mar 2013 #74

Don't know about Facebook Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #75

If you have ever owned a domain name for a political website and had access to the visit logs... stevenleser Mar 2013 #76

Why do we allow them to spy? Evoman Mar 2013 #77

The ones that teenagers send should be extra fun for them to keep. nt Lex Mar 2013 #78

Good luck searching through a zillion "OMG, look at this picture of my food" posts NightWatcher Mar 2013 #81

You don't think a human being sits down and tries to sift through all this, do you? markpkessinger Mar 2013 #109

"Appearance of certain keywords". Can you please explain what you mean? idwiyo Mar 2013 #127

Use it against them. LiberalFighter Mar 2013 #82

Message auto-removed chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #86

We always knew this was the case. The trick is be worthy of their surveillance. Earn your file. villager Mar 2013 #101

Let them have it, if they think they want it so much. elleng Mar 2013 #103

In case anyone needs a refresher on what words to use, er, avoid... bluedigger Mar 2013 #105

This is a common recurring theme on the RW site I frequent. MelungeonWoman Mar 2013 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #112

if someone had a record of every single internet action the average person ever made markiv Mar 2013 #113

The CIA Facebook Project: Zorra Mar 2013 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author damnedifIknow Mar 2013 #128

Well, they better have some decent algorithms not to mention Are_grits_groceries Mar 2013 #118

So, is this CIA thing codified in the FB Terms of Service? ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #120

Oh, that's OK, the CIA thugs are spying on us to protect our "freedom". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #123