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Heywood J

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86. I do think there's a difference.

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 10:54 AM

Mar 2013

Guns are far more common and available now (almost one gun per person), forty years of gun promotion has broken down any inhibition to using them on someone, and there are three times as many people now. Three times as many psychopaths, three times as many sociopaths, and three times as many personality and conduct disorders. Back then, CNN, MSNBC, and FOX weren't around to cover every sensational, salacious story 24/7 when they had a moment between Congressional scandals or the latest war. Is it worse in a per-capita sense? Maybe, but look at the culture you were raised with and look at the culture that children are raised with now.

We could debate this until blue in the face. If there's a cultural or societal problem, what's the plan and where do we go from here? "What do we have, and what do we need?"

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Lock these kids up for a long time: Woman, 89, carjacked, locked in trunk by teens for 2 days [View all] cali Mar 2013 OP

But are they good athletes? Fresh_Start Mar 2013 #1

Who knows. They are girls so they will probably get what they deserve. we can do it Mar 2013 #8

Some guys were involved too, I believe. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #39

You are right, but only girls were mentioned in the OP. I'd had enough outrage already the past week we can do it Mar 2013 #85

Snark maybe, but a truthful observation. Smilo Mar 2013 #33

May be snark leftynyc Mar 2013 #51

Sports Smilo Mar 2013 #60

are there more crazy, violent events at the hands of teens, ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #2

In either case Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #5

More people, more crazy. Probably doesn't change the rate of crazy, however. nt valerief Mar 2013 #37

that's my guess, too. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #73

No, because they might shoot themselves and then they can't go to WAR for the .001%. nt valerief Mar 2013 #82

How nice to see someone as cynical as I. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #89

I'm sorry but I don't EVER remember Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #75

It may have taken different forms and it may have had different causes, but it was still there. Heywood J Mar 2013 #80

Don't be absurd. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #84

I do think there's a difference. Heywood J Mar 2013 #86

Regarding teens and violence, there was a thread a couple of days ago suggesting the drinking bike man Mar 2013 #77

As if the law stops anyone from drinking, realistically. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #93

The discussion was lowering the legal drinking age to 18, which most certainly is NOT bike man Mar 2013 #95

Then in that case, why the hell should we let 18-year-olds join the military? nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #96

There are two separate arguments/discussions here - legal age to purchase/consume alcohol, and bike man Mar 2013 #98

Throw away the key for at least 20 years. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #3

But first... hamsterjill Mar 2013 #65

+ 1,000,000,000,000 love_katz Mar 2013 #69

You certainly have my vote on that. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #91

Sounds good to me davidpdx Mar 2013 #101

But mainly... sendero Mar 2013 #90

Some evil does seem to be genetic. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #92

Sounds like attempted murder, if you ask me. Most 89 year olds would have died in that trunk. nt onehandle Mar 2013 #4

And bringing her to a cemetary Politicalboi Mar 2013 #55

I agree. AndyA Mar 2013 #68

They didn't get that way in a vacuum zipplewrath Mar 2013 #6

I'd say 40 years in prison with no parole should about do it. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2013 #7

Why not just execute them? Fucking bleeding hearts... Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #9

Let's toss you in a trunk for two days and see how much your heart bleeds Dreamer Tatum Mar 2013 #11

I would be quite displeased with them and would want them to pay for their crimes. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #15

Sorry Grump, decades in prison are what they deserve CanonRay Mar 2013 #27

Decades, at *least*. Life w/o parole sounds better. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #38

Yeah, the little rapscallions. Little scamps should go to bed without dessert. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2013 #43

i think 40 years in prison is reasonable, this wasn't stealing candy from a store, it was a violent JI7 Mar 2013 #74

Yep. Puglover Mar 2013 #103

how callous renate Mar 2013 #10

Why do we have juvenile courts? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #17

So "locking them up" will solve the pathology chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #12

Locking them up isn't intended to resolve their psychological issues. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #13

There are ways to do this without locking kids in cages. chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #18

Because a lot of them self-medicate. Neoma Mar 2013 #20

Would you want them living next door to you? nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #24

Not everyone who commits a crime is mentally ill gollygee Mar 2013 #25

I agree with you about one thing: chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #28

People sometimes simply choose to be violent because they get something out of it gollygee Mar 2013 #32

I don't argue with being locked up but not necessarily jail. chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #34

This has nothing to do with how I choose to discipline my children gollygee Mar 2013 #35

its intriguing to me that all these violent kids get the but they are young defense roguevalley Mar 2013 #47

These kids are, sadly, spoiled. And btw, that is not my philosophy of child rearing cali Mar 2013 #48

No one is arguing that these kids are not dangerous! The question is how will chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #50

How can you even think of NOT locking them up? Jaysus. cali Mar 2013 #52

I never said not to lock them up! We should have THERAPEUTIC settings chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #54

ack. You said: cali Mar 2013 #62

First off, I asked why locking them up protects the public and helps them chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #63

How the hell do YOU know they won't get much time? Clue, hon: You don't cali Mar 2013 #64

While most kids that act like this probably come from bad home environments, lark Mar 2013 #29

I don't believe in "bad seeds" chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #46

Welcome to DU! I am mostly in agreement. immoderate Mar 2013 #57

Sorry, not having a daddy is no excuse for rape! lark Mar 2013 #88

Psychopaths happen at any age get the red out Mar 2013 #30

Where do you get this from? chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #61

And this shooting isn't a sign? get the red out Mar 2013 #78

14 years is old enough to know it's not a nice thing to lock up people in the trunk of a car JI7 Mar 2013 #76

no, locking them up will keep them from committing other crimes. cali Mar 2013 #14

So all parents of troubled children are "abject failures"? In some cases probably, but that's NRaleighLiberal Mar 2013 #16

I thank Dog Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #21

+ 1000000 NRaleighLiberal Mar 2013 #23

What about the title of this thread? chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #40

No, not at all Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #49

No. chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #70

wow. such ignorance in that response. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2013 #71

I'll tell my friend that. Heywood J Mar 2013 #81

Message auto-removed chocolatewatchband Mar 2013 #87

If things were only as simple as you suggest Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #19

Well you are correct that qazplm Mar 2013 #79

Cali, what is the point of posting this local crime story in General Discussion? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #22

Local crime stories are posted just about daily here in GD cali Mar 2013 #26

I am amazed she survived too get the red out Mar 2013 #31

They are terrible kids. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2013 #45

Well, it had to happen SOMEwhere, didn't it? Cirque du So-What Mar 2013 #53

There are no heroes in this story, other than the police who are just doing their job slackmaster Mar 2013 #36

I don't know that I'd call the 89 year old a hero but she sure is gutsy and kind hearted. cali Mar 2013 #41

I'd call her a gracious victim slackmaster Mar 2013 #44

These kids Crepuscular Mar 2013 #42

Running in a pack was my first thought about... Little Star Mar 2013 #58

First thing...they need to... ReRe Mar 2013 #56

And the sick mf'ers can get guns whenever they want...no questions asked. judesedit Mar 2013 #59

IMO this was not the first time these "children" committed a crime Gin Mar 2013 #66

what? they dumped her and she crawled around until someone found her. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #99

how so? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #100

Disgusting. One thing, ChazII Mar 2013 #67

Remarkable that she lived through the confinement. lpbk2713 Mar 2013 #72

I'm trying to process the idea of doing this to anyone let alone malaise Mar 2013 #83

There is no mention of it at the link but I wonder if these teens were up-to-date on their vaccines. leeroysphitz Mar 2013 #94

Congratulations, you little shit snowflakes! flvegan Mar 2013 #97

I am glad to hear the woman survived davidpdx Mar 2013 #102