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In reply to the discussion: Obamacare is Single Payer with a time delay [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)67. Oh
"I do not think you really understand the bigger picture"
...I fully understand the big picture, and an article quoting a wingnut paper is nothing but fear mongering.
Health Insurers Threaten To Increase Premiums, Even As Profits Soar
By Igor Volsky
Some of the nations largest health insurance companies are warning investors that theyll raise insurance premiums by as much as 116 percent next year, as the coverage expansion provisions in the Affordable Care Act go into effect and millions of uninsured Americans begin purchasing coverage.
The threats of premium increases come as the industry is experiencing record profits and are part of a well-coordinated publicity campaign to alarm Americans about the cost of coverage, while downplaying mechanisms in the law that will cushion them from rate shock. The effort comes as insurers seek more favorable regulatory changes that would, in part, allow companies to charge older people more for coverage.
United Health Group Inc., Aetna, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield are ringing the alarm, attributing the possible cost increases to general health care inflation as well as provisions in the health care law, which require insurers to offer more comprehensive coverage, particularly in the individual health care market, and limit the companies ability to set premiums based on beneficiaries health care histories, age, or sex.
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Insurers have long complained that the laws more rigorous standards would raise prices, although since the Affordable Care Act was signed into law, national health expenditures have decreased and insurers in the individual market have followed the trend, posting fewer double digit increases. Sudden rate hikes were considered the norm before the law went into effect and applicants were regularly denied coverage or priced out of it altogether. Insurance commissioners have also begun reviewing rates more carefully and insurers have had to spend 80 cents out of every premium dollar on health benefits, rather than administrative overhead.
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http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/22/1761011/health-insurers-threaten-to-increase-premiums-even-as-profits-soar/
By Igor Volsky
Some of the nations largest health insurance companies are warning investors that theyll raise insurance premiums by as much as 116 percent next year, as the coverage expansion provisions in the Affordable Care Act go into effect and millions of uninsured Americans begin purchasing coverage.
The threats of premium increases come as the industry is experiencing record profits and are part of a well-coordinated publicity campaign to alarm Americans about the cost of coverage, while downplaying mechanisms in the law that will cushion them from rate shock. The effort comes as insurers seek more favorable regulatory changes that would, in part, allow companies to charge older people more for coverage.
United Health Group Inc., Aetna, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield are ringing the alarm, attributing the possible cost increases to general health care inflation as well as provisions in the health care law, which require insurers to offer more comprehensive coverage, particularly in the individual health care market, and limit the companies ability to set premiums based on beneficiaries health care histories, age, or sex.
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Insurers have long complained that the laws more rigorous standards would raise prices, although since the Affordable Care Act was signed into law, national health expenditures have decreased and insurers in the individual market have followed the trend, posting fewer double digit increases. Sudden rate hikes were considered the norm before the law went into effect and applicants were regularly denied coverage or priced out of it altogether. Insurance commissioners have also begun reviewing rates more carefully and insurers have had to spend 80 cents out of every premium dollar on health benefits, rather than administrative overhead.
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http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/22/1761011/health-insurers-threaten-to-increase-premiums-even-as-profits-soar/
Health insurers are full of shit, and there are other mechanisms that will keep them in check.
Seniors saved over $6 billion on prescription drugs as a result of the health care law
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2013pres/03/20130321a.html
April 2012: $1 Billion In Rebates Coming Under Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002613579
Sec. Kathleen Sebelius
Holding Insurance Companies Accountable for High Premium Increases
The Affordable Care Act prohibits some of the worst insurance industry practices that have kept affordable health coverage out of reach for millions of Americans. It provides families and individuals with new protections against discriminatory rates due to pre-existing conditions, holds insurance companies accountable for how they spend your premium dollars, and prevents insurance companies from raising your insurance premium rates without accountability or transparency.
For more than a decade before the Affordable Care Act health insurance premiums had risen rapidly, straining the pocketbooks of American families and businesses. Oftentimes, insurance companies were able to raise rates without explanation to consumers or public justification of their actions.

The Affordable Care Act brought an unprecedented level of scrutiny and transparency to health insurance rate increases by requiring insurance companies in every state to publicly justify their actions if they want to raise rates by 10% or more. Insurance companies are required to provide easy to understand information to their customers about their reasons for significant rate increases, and any unreasonable rate increases are posted online.
And it's working.
A new report released today shows that the health care law is helping to moderate premium hikes. Since this rule was implemented, the number of requests for insurance premium increases of 10% or more has dropped dramatically, from 75% to 14%. The average premium increase for all rates in 2012 was 30% below what it was in 2010. And available data suggest that this slowdown in rate increases has continued into 2013.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sec-kathleen-sebelius/holding-insurance-compani_b_2742501.html
Holding Insurance Companies Accountable for High Premium Increases
The Affordable Care Act prohibits some of the worst insurance industry practices that have kept affordable health coverage out of reach for millions of Americans. It provides families and individuals with new protections against discriminatory rates due to pre-existing conditions, holds insurance companies accountable for how they spend your premium dollars, and prevents insurance companies from raising your insurance premium rates without accountability or transparency.
For more than a decade before the Affordable Care Act health insurance premiums had risen rapidly, straining the pocketbooks of American families and businesses. Oftentimes, insurance companies were able to raise rates without explanation to consumers or public justification of their actions.

The Affordable Care Act brought an unprecedented level of scrutiny and transparency to health insurance rate increases by requiring insurance companies in every state to publicly justify their actions if they want to raise rates by 10% or more. Insurance companies are required to provide easy to understand information to their customers about their reasons for significant rate increases, and any unreasonable rate increases are posted online.
And it's working.
A new report released today shows that the health care law is helping to moderate premium hikes. Since this rule was implemented, the number of requests for insurance premium increases of 10% or more has dropped dramatically, from 75% to 14%. The average premium increase for all rates in 2012 was 30% below what it was in 2010. And available data suggest that this slowdown in rate increases has continued into 2013.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sec-kathleen-sebelius/holding-insurance-compani_b_2742501.html
Rules finalized for the good stuff in Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022415967
Wendell Potter Agrees: Big-Profit Health Insurance Almost Dead
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002390746
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I'd like to believe this proclamation, but upon what do you base it? n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Mar 2013
#3
My premiums in effect dropped 50% this year. I was able to switch. Last year I couldn't.
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#5
That's good news. Most of folks griping about their premium increases miss that point.
Hoyt
Mar 2013
#104
Tell us the prices. Are you selfemployed or with a company? How much before and now?
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#79
so what are your montly/yearly #s? Work for a company or self employed?
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#80
great idea, now is the time for dems to take this up and run with at the state level nt
msongs
Mar 2013
#8
IT is cruel, evil, and horribly expensive in lives and money, and may destroy the economy
Demeter
Mar 2013
#9
On what basis are the insurance companies refusing to pay for their treatments? nt
pnwmom
Mar 2013
#87
I hope this person gets advice on how the new regulations affect his or situation.
pnwmom
Mar 2013
#103
If I own a product upon which your life depends, my profits will be obscene.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2013
#15
We don't allow water companies or electric companies to take the public hostage
BlueStreak
Mar 2013
#34
unless your in Detroit, the EFM is pushing through drastic water rate hikes, and talking of making
putitinD
Mar 2013
#46
When I hear phrases like "out of the kindness of their hearts" it is usually used in this context;
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2013
#43
Obscene profits have to be returned to the policyholders. It's already happening with the ACA.
Zen Democrat
Mar 2013
#132
No there are plenty of people besides insurance companies who are making obscene profits. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2013
#140
small businesses and those who buy individual policies will, as far as I can tell, be screwed
Flaxbee
Mar 2013
#24
NOPE. 50% less starting in April self employed. NO existing clause. NO lifetime cap.
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#82
I hope you are right, but I really doubt it. In fact what I see in California is that both
still_one
Mar 2013
#27
every time a repub state turns down aca, i see single payer getting closer to reality. eom
ellenfl
Mar 2013
#28
Well yeah sure, but the campaign contributors will make out like crazy.
Egalitarian Thug
Mar 2013
#36
Hope you are right, tell me when the annual out of pocket expenses will decline ...
slipslidingaway
Mar 2013
#35
What's your hypothesis as to why RomneyObamaCare will turn to single payer?
MannyGoldstein
Mar 2013
#37
Brilliant isn't what I would call me not being able to get insurance for 15 months.
Gravitycollapse
Mar 2013
#48
Democrats are going to pay a big price in elections before single payer happens
uselessobot
Mar 2013
#52
It started with a very limited program, the Saskatchawan Hospitalization Act
grantcart
Mar 2013
#135
Cutting to the chase of the 30 some single payer systems in the world only one turned from a private
grantcart
Mar 2013
#139
A plan developed to essentially protect and extend the longevity of the insurance cartel
TheKentuckian
Mar 2013
#69
No they won't. They are governors on the engine to limit the speed and consumption, at best.
TheKentuckian
Mar 2013
#116
Calling it one of the most brilliant pieces of legislation in US history....
NCTraveler
Mar 2013
#93
A friend was offered medical, life, disability and dental for $104 per month, this is the same
Thinkingabout
Mar 2013
#101
The plan he is on is a group offer and I think if the insurance companies are going
Thinkingabout
Mar 2013
#121
I think some shopping is going to be in order, let's see how many of the insuramce companies
Thinkingabout
Mar 2013
#124
The company is Blue Cross-Blue Shield of Texas, remember it was a group rate through
Thinkingabout
Mar 2013
#131