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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
36. Fundamental problem with your idea.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 06:52 PM
Mar 2013

People that own guns nowadays, almost by default, find themselves involved in politics simply because they own a gun and a large swath of the country considers that act to be at the least worrisome and at the most a dangerous public heath hazard on part with, say heroin. They get involved because they are aware that they are the targets of legislation.

People that don't own guns literally have to do nothing to keep on doing so, and as such are not as involved. They certainly don't feel like they have to join an organization to protect them from mandatory gun-ownership laws or something.


And the assault weapons ban was a dumb idea. It doesn't ban guns, it bans cosmetic or ergonomic features that are present on some guns.

Under the Feinstein 2013 proposal, I can own this AR-15...


But not this one:



Same mechanicals, same magazines, same ammuntion... hell, I should be able to swap every single mechanical part between the two rifles without affecting function or accuracy or reliability.

But one has a protruding pistol grip, and one doesn't. So one would be outlawed, and one wouldn't.



I know her proposal also included a magazine-capacity limit, but that is independent of the definition of "assault weapon".


There are things we can do to reduce violence in our society. Some of it has to do with social policy, some of it has to do with economic policy, and some of it has to do with gun policy. But waging a war against protruding pistol grips (or telescoping stocks, or heat shields for the barrel) isn't one of them.

the worse congress money can buy spanone Mar 2013 #1
I just love black and white thinking. Carry on. Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #18
Meek Mike, the Great Equalizer has done just that. Support the 800 Mayors against Guns. graham4anything Mar 2013 #2
Thats great, support one of the worst 1%ers out there to the hilt ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #4
the NRA and the people with guns are the authoritarians and the bullies graham4anything Mar 2013 #5
1%ers are the bullies...and they do it everywhere, just like Bloomie ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #9
Joe Biden is against guns/bullets. graham4anything Mar 2013 #10
This is about 1%ers and the worshiping of them ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #11
Didn't Biden say people should get a shotgun or something to that effect? dkf Mar 2013 #17
And didn't Biden support the Iraq War Resolution? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #28
What are we doing in Syria I wonder? dkf Mar 2013 #30
Get a shotgun and fire it through the door at noises on the other side if I remember correctly. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #31
Wow. I wonder what his wife thinks about his cavalier attitude towards doors. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #32
All's I know is that he hates doors. n/t cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #38
Their numbers "skyrocket" after Newtown. Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #15
I was referring to the mayors ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #34
I did not know this. Thanks for the information! Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #13
You might want to cross post this in the new Gun Control Reform Activism ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #3
Do you know of any anti-gun candidates? Or a lot of anti-gun citizens? Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #6
anti-gun citizens, yes Duckhunter935 Mar 2013 #7
I said I don't "know" any. I see some posters in blogs say they are, but I don't know them. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #21
Actually is just a handful, some of who post with great frequency ... Scuba Mar 2013 #26
It was just an idea that popped into my head. Your point is valid. But I see that there is Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #14
Would Dianne Feinstein, according to her own words, qualify? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #33
Deceptive editing? Progressive dog Mar 2013 #39
Good idea. bluedigger Mar 2013 #8
There are numerous such organizations Lurks Often Mar 2013 #12
I like it, nra power is money not votes imho XRubicon Mar 2013 #16
Maybe gabby Giffords PAC can do something? Not sure marions ghost Mar 2013 #19
See we are scatered. If all these groups got together and pooled their money they could Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #24
Groups could network marions ghost Mar 2013 #29
So you believe that"buy us a great congress and senate!" is the way to run the country? oneshooter Mar 2013 #40
It would be a VERY good idea to have our authentic position on the 2nd Amendment represented for patrice Mar 2013 #20
It'd be fun to try to co-opt the N, R, A & smart to use the word NATIONAL in the name, so . . . patrice Mar 2013 #22
National Responsible Arms Authority Maraya1969 Mar 2013 #23
I like the way that word parallels the NRA's own de facto claims of absolute authority. I also patrice Mar 2013 #27
Something like this could be used as a central set of standards to assess the extent to which patrice Mar 2013 #25
I don't think much short of repealing the 2nd would make much difference, to be honest. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #35
Fundamental problem with your idea. krispos42 Mar 2013 #36
Your problem is not just the NRA. ... spin Mar 2013 #37
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