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Ms. Toad

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42. The ACA did not exist in 2008

Reply to woo me with science (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 01:23 AM

Mar 2013

Whatever candidate Obama said in 2008 could not have been said about a law which did not exist until 1.5 - 2 years later.

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No, Obamacare is not making your insurance premiums go through the roof. [View all] pnwmom Mar 2013 OP

Back in Oct, before election, I remember talking to this mercymechap Mar 2013 #1

I wish there was an easier way to say this. annabanana Mar 2013 #2

Try this. Cowpunk Mar 2013 #6

not a bad start . . . . n/t annabanana Mar 2013 #8

Well, some say it will be so bad that 'normal insurance' is doomed. Zax2me Mar 2013 #3

Actually, it IS both... TygrBright Mar 2013 #22

Hey, TygrB. Just wanted to say Hi! Haven't seen a post from you in a while. Ferretherder Mar 2013 #51

Hidy, ferret! TygrBright Mar 2013 #70

medicare for everyone madrchsod Mar 2013 #4

exactly. Medicare keeps cost down because they are only allowed to pay out liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #24

+ infinity! n/t Lugnut Mar 2013 #40

My occupation is EMR... Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #5

It hasnt made them come down either... shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #7

I'm not sure how it makes it more difficult Major Nikon Mar 2013 #11

Actually, Obamacare makes it easier for states to do single payer. subterranean Mar 2013 #20

It has promoted as slowing the rate of increases, not causing them to come down. pnwmom Mar 2013 #27

Wrong. We were promised large decreases in premiums. woo me with science Mar 2013 #32

But he never said that the subsidies would be in effect NOW. It's the subsidies that will lower pnwmom Mar 2013 #37

Oh for pete's sake. woo me with science Mar 2013 #41

States have the ability to regulate premium increases. If your state doesn't do that, pnwmom Mar 2013 #44

Leaving aside the fact that tax credits are a lousy way to help woo me with science Mar 2013 #46

The ACA did not exist in 2008 Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #42

Well, that makes it all better then! woo me with science Mar 2013 #43

The president, alone, does not write legislation.. Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #47

You know what, Ms. Toad? Spare us. woo me with science Mar 2013 #50

+1000 hobbit709 Mar 2013 #52

Word whatchamacallit Mar 2013 #62

Another +1000 Demeter Mar 2013 #72

Great post! dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #73

And yet another +1000 dflprincess Mar 2013 #80

+Ten Million! One of the best posts ever on this site. Brilliant. green for victory Mar 2013 #81

That doesn't refute Ms. Toad. joshcryer Mar 2013 #83

Don't be absurd, Josh. woo me with science Mar 2013 #89

I did not suggest that. joshcryer Mar 2013 #90

Entrenching the for-profit health insurance cartel into our health care system woo me with science Mar 2013 #91

It's politics. joshcryer Mar 2013 #95

No, it's not "politics." woo me with science Mar 2013 #96

You live in the highest developed country on Earth. joshcryer Mar 2013 #98

Our premiums skyrocketed already, we had to to drop our coverage about a year ago. Zorra Mar 2013 #92

+10000 Ours have gone up by double digits every single year. woo me with science Mar 2013 #94

woo me with facts! Horse with no Name Mar 2013 #97

Science called. It would like you to change your name. gulliver Mar 2013 #67

As usual, you completely missed the point as has the venerable kossack you lifted this from. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #9

Thank you. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #33

You missed the point. As Obama said it would, the ACA has bent down the cost curve. pnwmom Mar 2013 #38

No, it hasn't. It is going exactly as the people that tried to warn you predicted it would. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #39

Great post. Thanks especially for mentioning the bit about the cap raise. woo me with science Mar 2013 #45

You are welcome. I don't know which pisses me off more, the scum that created this corporate Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #71

Thank you for this post and the one above it. n/t dflprincess Mar 2013 #79

I wish you would post the facts about the raising of the cap as an OP. woo me with science Mar 2013 #93

I don't think skyrockek but yearly increases above inflation seems to be in the cards joelz Mar 2013 #10

I'm not sure about what you say...Maybe some of the complaints could KoKo Mar 2013 #12

My rates are still increasing by double digits. LWolf Mar 2013 #13

Maybe you should go back and redo the math. Rate have been increasing bluestate10 Mar 2013 #15

I don't need to redo the math. LWolf Mar 2013 #60

Here, too. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #61

me 2 markiv Mar 2013 #69

I would vote for Obama and the Dems again... lexw Mar 2013 #14

I am retired aka-chmeee Mar 2013 #16

It could have had a public option, it could have been actual reform Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #17

This has been posted elsewhere but seems too little discussed. reteachinwi Mar 2013 #23

Yup, polls showed Americans supported the public option at the time, woo me with science Mar 2013 #59

If it did premiums would still have gone up. joshcryer Mar 2013 #84

The ACA is what America has needed for years, regulation of the health insurance industry. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #18

I don't care what it making it go through the roof. The fact is I can't afford $925/month is premium liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #19

Same here. freedom fighter jh Mar 2013 #25

Have you found out what your rates will be starting in 2014? pnwmom Mar 2013 #28

The subsidies are a way to transfer more money to the corporations dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #74

I agree that Medicare for all or a public option would have been better. pnwmom Mar 2013 #75

True, he is not a dictator dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #76

And this fight immediately helped millions of young people stay on their parents insurance pnwmom Mar 2013 #85

And that's where our approaches differ dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #86

Thanks for recognizing that we do agree in some respects. pnwmom Mar 2013 #87

Not much agreement really dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #88

Face it, anything bad that happens in health care or insurance from now on subterranean Mar 2013 #21

My insurance went up from $604 to $678 in the past year. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #26

Do you think health care is affordable as the title of the bill implies? dkf Mar 2013 #29

Do you think the subsidies have kicked in yet? They haven't. pnwmom Mar 2013 #30

the subsidies are tax credits aren't they? that will surprise a few...n/t green for victory Mar 2013 #35

Was it just Romney Care that had the spike One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #31

Thread not going the way you wanted it to? Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #34

I'm not surprised. Most people don't understand that the program doesn't go into effect till pnwmom Mar 2013 #36

Wow, that was nasty. treestar Mar 2013 #55

No, it was a justified observation about how the shilling doesn't work anymore. woo me with science Mar 2013 #56

If DU were the whole world, maybe treestar Mar 2013 #57

No, what's "unkind" is profiting, obscenely, from the human need for health care, woo me with science Mar 2013 #58

Hang on - "rising less slowly" isn't the same thing as "falling". Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #48

What are these "insurance" and "health care" things... 99Forever Mar 2013 #49

I just sat in on a briefing for my County Board of Commissioners snpsmom Mar 2013 #53

To the average shallow thinker it makes sense treestar Mar 2013 #54

Still nothing to brag about. kentuck Mar 2013 #63

Jonathan Gruber designed RomneyCare reteachinwi Mar 2013 #64

I don't see any statistics in the posts that disagree with you. gulliver Mar 2013 #65

thanks for the info pnwmom! n/t flamingdem Mar 2013 #66

i'v had double digit increases every year since it passed markiv Mar 2013 #68

so how much does a new policy cost? quadrature Mar 2013 #77

Why would rates come down when you are now required by law to buy regardless? Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #78

Thank you. woo me with science Mar 2013 #99

Wait a sec, "somebody has to pay for" insuring all Americans. jazzimov Mar 2013 #82