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146. Did you even read redqueen's OP? She explicitly does NOT say that

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 01:31 PM

Mar 2013

Her OP is about how the Salon piece perpetuates the rape culture we have in this country.

Which part of this didn't you understand?

"So she didn't feel like she was raped, big fucking deal! A whole hell of a lot of women who first had sex at 15 don't feel like they were raped. A whole hell lot of a women who first had sex at 12 don't feel like they were raped either. No one is out there telling women that they have to feel that they were raped if they don't feel that way. Because if they don't, that's their prerogative.

No, what's important is reaching the tens of thousands of women each year who do feel that they were raped. What is important is reaching the women who do feel that they were raped but who still aren't reporting it. And what this person is doing is not fucking helping.

No, what she is doing is playing into the hands of MRAs and victim blamers who want to silence women."

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Why the "My bad sex wasn't rape" editorial is so utterly, utterly vile. [View all] redqueen Mar 2013 OP

what bothers me most about that article is the implication of the title La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #1

I tried to express that, or something like ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #12

Me, too. I cont'd to participate for a while, to no avail. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #172

Same here. Warpy Mar 2013 #191

She is being a good little girl just like her father taught her to be. You know, always protect the LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #17

ugh. sorry to hear that. i do agree with you that it's a good girl syndrome La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #21

Yup.... LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #24

Telling on your perp chervilant Mar 2013 #211

Thank you, and a hug right back! LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #231

if it's "normal and right" what's wrong with "telling"? elehhhhna Mar 2013 #130

Lol well he is a homeless alcoholic at this point so, fail in general too.... LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #133

Yes. That false assumption renders it pointless... bettyellen Mar 2013 #53

I agree with you. DURHAM D Mar 2013 #59

She's only been published widely 3x: writing about her "boobs" , Dad as a lover bettyellen Mar 2013 #109

Yes, bettyellen, you've got it: attention and approval from men Hekate Mar 2013 #150

I don't see how it can be anything but intentional. redqueen Mar 2013 #58

the worst is that it helps rapists justify their behavior BainsBane Mar 2013 #205

Good questions. redqueen Mar 2013 #210

we watch a lot of people validate the rape culture and sexism for their own personal reasons. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #213

DING DING DING! Redqueen, you're our grand prize winner! rocktivity Mar 2013 #249

Not to mention she describes her experiences with her father raping her as a 4 year old as LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #2

I am so sorry for your pain. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #5

Thank you. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #6

Me too, LL. redqueen Mar 2013 #7

Thank you. It's hard watching the increasing woman hatred sometimes. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #8

Just so freaking tired sometimes. seabeyond Mar 2013 #14

The way I dealt with it lunatica Mar 2013 #79

Thank you. redqueen Mar 2013 #87

Yes! Thank you. I am sorry it happened to you too. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #88

Hugs lunatica Mar 2013 #96

:) LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #98

And really hard to get rid of when it's such an instinctive reflex/reaction loudsue Mar 2013 #157

It's a learned reaction lunatica Mar 2013 #166

Shame is the hardest. It affects every single aspect of my life Hekate Mar 2013 #237

Yes, I understand very well the dynamics you are talking about. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #238

The adult me figuratively hugged her close and let her cry seabeyond Mar 2013 #91

... Whisp Mar 2013 #94

We both thank you! lunatica Mar 2013 #103

My heart breaks for the six year old you. myrna minx Mar 2013 #320

Regarding chronic disease Hekate Mar 2013 #152

I'm sorry you have suffered with all of this! LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #163

This made me cry. My heart goes sufrommich Mar 2013 #159

I want better for those coming after us. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #164

I didn't see that BainsBane Mar 2013 #232

Oh, Liberal Loner, thank myrna minx Mar 2013 #297

Thank you so much. Oh I hope it helps. Been feeling like we are losing the fight lately. Think LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #298

It's an uphill challange to be sure. The sheer contempt we face even here myrna minx Mar 2013 #300

Thank you. The struggle continues.... LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #301

I agree with you. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #3

Thank you. redqueen Mar 2013 #64

. theKed Mar 2013 #4

Jury results justiceischeap Mar 2013 #22

thank you jury 6. this is jsut another way for men to work at derailing these conversations. seabeyond Mar 2013 #29

I agree. justiceischeap Mar 2013 #33

yup. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #36

Oh, be my guest. theKed Mar 2013 #38

remdi95 niyad Mar 2013 #68

huh? theKed Mar 2013 #111

What is your problem? BainsBane Mar 2013 #206

That's clearly the take-away from this theKed Mar 2013 #207

You responded to a series of posts where women BainsBane Mar 2013 #209

You sure theKed Mar 2013 #212

Not even close BainsBane Mar 2013 #215

"Pass by without being rude" theKed Mar 2013 #222

if you hadn't entered this thread BainsBane Mar 2013 #250

Why are you here? theKed Mar 2013 #251

I am a Democrat who opposes rape, rape apology, and BainsBane Mar 2013 #256

I feel compelled to continue participating theKed Mar 2013 #257

victimize you? BainsBane Mar 2013 #260

I'm sure I'll be just fine. theKed Mar 2013 #262

Victimize you? Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #279

why don't you shove off mercuryblues Mar 2013 #254

who? theKed Mar 2013 #255

the mercuryblues Mar 2013 #258

Who's mocking rape victims? theKed Mar 2013 #259

yes you are mercuryblues Mar 2013 #263

Oh, please. theKed Mar 2013 #264

But you mercuryblues Mar 2013 #266

Not particularly theKed Mar 2013 #267

Not him BainsBane Mar 2013 #261

I'll mercuryblues Mar 2013 #265

Man, i wish I was on TV theKed Mar 2013 #271

LOL theKed Mar 2013 #270

Victimizing you BainsBane Mar 2013 #272

I'm not sure what I'm being called out for, exactly. theKed Mar 2013 #274

This thread is the opposite of flamebait. DURHAM D Mar 2013 #341

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #350

You twice posted your little popcorn taunt BainsBane Mar 2013 #362

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #37

Vanity post? Are you fucking kidding? redqueen Mar 2013 #48

I'm glad you did the OP. Lady Freedom Returns Mar 2013 #165

Thank you. redqueen Mar 2013 #173

NO. Just those jurors in particular. Lots disagree with it. nt Lex Mar 2013 #50

No, only four other despicable people agreed with your despicable Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #65

Lol great post. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #67

don't worry, adding two words to the ToS is on it's way! Whisp Mar 2013 #104

Heh. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #107

MENZ ONLEEZ sign needed LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #110

It's always Save the Wiener week here. n/t Whisp Mar 2013 #120

Is Anthony back now? (Sorry, had to crack a joke.) LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #125

Nice mischaracterization theKed Mar 2013 #112

I have served on my share of DU juries... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #71

Vanity post? jeff47 Mar 2013 #73

bullies be bullying. feckoff, please elehhhhna Mar 2013 #131

You are awesome!!! LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #135

Vanity post? well, aren't you special Hekate Mar 2013 #154

What the hell is your problem? Normally I'm not one to jump on people but WTF? nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #193

I'm sorry theKed Mar 2013 #195

Apparently the OP was, earlier in life. And is now trying to deal with that. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #199

I'm definitely not taking that bait theKed Mar 2013 #201

women, how dare they speak in public BainsBane Mar 2013 #219

What the fuck is your malfunction? theKed Mar 2013 #220

Man hating Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #268

Could you please provide three examples of "man hating" in this thread. DURHAM D Mar 2013 #342

How dare women talk about rape BainsBane Mar 2013 #214

When people talk about guns theKed Mar 2013 #218

Please, take that up with Skinner BainsBane Mar 2013 #221

You're welcome to speak your mind theKed Mar 2013 #223

You do know this 'won't someone shut those wimminz up!' shit has been addressed in ATA. redqueen Mar 2013 #225

Why do you assume the post is about awful "menfolk"? BainsBane Mar 2013 #230

I think I have this right... DURHAM D Mar 2013 #226

I think you've managed theKed Mar 2013 #227

Could you post a list of "those topics"? DURHAM D Mar 2013 #228

That isn't your decision BainsBane Mar 2013 #233

. theKed Mar 2013 #236

i think durham said it exactly right. reading you absurdity on how du should run, by such a newbie seabeyond Mar 2013 #289

Why should rape and sexual assault be sent to the feminist forums. NCTraveler Mar 2013 #357

This message was self-deleted by its author myrna minx Mar 2013 #295

Brilliant post! Goes right to the root of the problem and exposes it. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #234

right, because the post talking about how it's okay BainsBane Mar 2013 #208

I'm sure you'll find theKed Mar 2013 #299

This message was self-deleted by its author myrna minx Mar 2013 #294

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #302

Wow LittleBlue Mar 2013 #115

+1 LTR Mar 2013 #153

When someone publishes a column BainsBane Mar 2013 #216

But people are picking her apart, rather than the article LTR Mar 2013 #239

no. they are picking apart her offensively hurtful and problematic article justifying, excusing rape seabeyond Mar 2013 #290

Believe me, if I wanted to insult you personally... LTR Mar 2013 #332

no. you did personally insult. and you try to take it further. but, lack ownership. seabeyond Mar 2013 #376

Sounds like you're taking more offense than I am LTR Mar 2013 #409

you cannot actually argue what is being said on here so your defense of the author fails seabeyond Mar 2013 #412

"You need therapy" - in a thread about rape. redqueen Mar 2013 #415

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #417

No, people are picking apart what she publishes. And "narcissists"? redqueen Mar 2013 #334

you must have mercuryblues Mar 2013 #288

...what happened in Steubenville, with Natalia on “Girls,” and with me... all rape is ridiculous. seabeyond Mar 2013 #9

Troublesome is putting it so very lightly... redqueen Mar 2013 #26

yes. and the hyperbole from duers accusing others of outrage with all the trash seabeyond Mar 2013 #31

Oh not just entertained, LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #34

yes. i get it. SOME men get off on the pain that it causes. it is after all how they define their seabeyond Mar 2013 #49

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #61

I have been reading a bit about that too. Whisp Mar 2013 #128

yes you were. the porn lovers do not like to acknowledge that seabeyond Mar 2013 #132

Your words zappaman Mar 2013 #224

don't you have better things for you to do, like stalk nadin? Whisp Mar 2013 #273

Aw.....you okay? zappaman Mar 2013 #330

like you saying that there is no such thing as kiddie porn? Whisp Mar 2013 #336

Nope. zappaman Mar 2013 #344

nope deux. Whisp Mar 2013 #347

Yes, change what you said. zappaman Mar 2013 #349

thats not bullshit, but Im wondering how You know what every porn watcher thinks. Whisp Mar 2013 #351

Where's your link? zappaman Mar 2013 #353

well at least you got yourself another obsession Whisp Mar 2013 #355

LOL! zappaman Mar 2013 #356

you probably think you are very good and clever about this. Whisp Mar 2013 #359

Clever? zappaman Mar 2013 #363

You seem to be the one suggesting you know what every porn watcher thinks... EOTE Mar 2013 #375

Your words were already posted. EOTE Mar 2013 #373

trying to conflate adult porn with underage shit is like trying to conflate adult sex w/child abuse Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #352

The sheer level of sadism in some people just astonishes me. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #197

I'm the one who posted it XemaSab Mar 2013 #10

I didn't assume you agreed with it... but I do disagree with you about women's (or girls') redqueen Mar 2013 #13

that she was drunk and underage BainsBane Mar 2013 #217

The age of consent is 16 in several states XemaSab Mar 2013 #246

and 12 year olds are raped BainsBane Mar 2013 #247

Perhaps the author was writing about herself, rather than to your specifications cthulu2016 Mar 2013 #11

perhaps reading comprehension means little and agenda takes precedent. seabeyond Mar 2013 #19

Yep. These kinds of attacks do damage to those of us that care about rape as an issue. Generation_Why Mar 2013 #35

another derail. tell women how if they speak out, you, a man, will no longer be able to support her seabeyond Mar 2013 #52

Oh really? This "attack" does damage how? redqueen Mar 2013 #54

no, she wasn't just writing about herself.. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #39

Perhaps if you read it, you'd note she talked about more than herself jeff47 Mar 2013 #75

+1000 LittleBlue Mar 2013 #119

you have yet to miss a thread that you cant dismiss women. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #121

+1 LTR Mar 2013 #240

Thanks rq MadrasT Mar 2013 #15

Me too, MadrasT. +1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #20

* MadrasT Mar 2013 #27

I'd like to say it was my pleasure... but it really wasn't. At all. redqueen Mar 2013 #28

this is just another of the insults on du. being told that we are to continually address and educate seabeyond Mar 2013 #32

Which is just another example of why rape culture and the patriarchy are so successful... redqueen Mar 2013 #92

Thank you. Succinctly said. loudsue Mar 2013 #89

+++++++ Whisp Mar 2013 #122

That's what I call a crystal clear testament. nt Hekate Mar 2013 #244

Yep. myrna minx Mar 2013 #304

Excellent analysis rusty fender Mar 2013 #16

Thank you. redqueen Mar 2013 #66

That "first lover" line actually made me nauseous nt Hekate Mar 2013 #243

Some people choose to express themselves in a way that's not suitable to other's agendas... Generation_Why Mar 2013 #18

the point you and others miss. she is directing it to society, to women, to girls and to rapists... seabeyond Mar 2013 #23

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #25

Spot on. DURHAM D Mar 2013 #44

about the same amount of courage that clarence thomas has on issues La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #45

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #46

Truth! Very telling she admits to problems seeking attention and approval bettyellen Mar 2013 #86

Boom. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #155

It takes a lot of confusion... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #85

Like publishing an account from Hedda Nussbaum about LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #95

Just curious. In the 60s and 70s, "free love" was the ideal. How many people here McCamy Taylor Mar 2013 #30

Agreeing to sex that wasn't all that fun is not rape. Wanna know what rape is? LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #41

Why are you asking this question? Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #81

not to mention 60s ad 70s did not even have a word for date rape. was just the way it was. seabeyond Mar 2013 #97

Yeah, date rape is more of a 90s thing, I think. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #105

And you were born female... LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #113

Powerful! LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #100

It's up to you. jeff47 Mar 2013 #90

I don't see it that quite that way. Nothing is free, and that 'free love' had a price to pay Whisp Mar 2013 #168

I wouldn't be as hard on her as you are being. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #42

That could be a place to start but DURHAM D Mar 2013 #51

it really is not even about her. it is about those on du that refuse to think maybe there may be an seabeyond Mar 2013 #56

I think it's analogous to a battered wife blaming herself. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #72

I don't know, Nye. redqueen Mar 2013 #99

If she was only discussing her situation, I'd agree jeff47 Mar 2013 #93

If some guy had written this stuff, I would be disgusted, would utterly condemn him, Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #106

She's welcome to rationalize her own life all she wants. jeff47 Mar 2013 #108

Isn't that what everyone in this thread is doing? And if they aren't doing that, then why is it patrice Mar 2013 #283

She's not telling her story jeff47 Mar 2013 #305

k and r--thank you, redqueen I did not have the strength to get through that mess. niyad Mar 2013 #43

It wasn't easy. redqueen Mar 2013 #55

I agree, thank you RQ. I know it wasn't easy. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #69

Thanks redqueen. I finished the other thread, got called away before I could respond riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #47

Yes, her catapulting that propaganda to make a buck... redqueen Mar 2013 #57

Thanks for this OP rq DURHAM D Mar 2013 #77

LOL... thank you... redqueen Mar 2013 #83

your willingness to stick your hand in the meat grinder once again. seabeyond Mar 2013 #101

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #70

I agree, Redqueen and the entire piece sadly reminds me... hlthe2b Mar 2013 #60

It is far, far worse. Because in rape culture, their voices are amplified exponentially. redqueen Mar 2013 #74

thanks for not giving up and just keep plugging away, redqueen. Whisp Mar 2013 #62

Thanks, Whisp. redqueen Mar 2013 #76

Thank you. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #84

Thanks for taking the time to do this... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #63

+++ DURHAM D Mar 2013 #80

Yes, it's easy to see that she might have been just writing shit to get clicks. redqueen Mar 2013 #82

K&R Thank you for taking the time to do this very unpleasant task. n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #78

Thank you. redqueen Mar 2013 #102

Now that a day has passed, I feel even more grateful to you. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #285

I agree 100%. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #287

Thank you again.. redqueen Mar 2013 #317

MRA? progressoid Mar 2013 #114

Men's Rights Activist redqueen Mar 2013 #117

Ugh. progressoid Mar 2013 #123

That is shocking. "Don't be THAT girl." Hekate Mar 2013 #245

That's appalling. I'm speechless. myrna minx Mar 2013 #323

What makes me ill is knowing there are people here who agree with it. redqueen Mar 2013 #339

Wonderful OP,redqueen. sufrommich Mar 2013 #116

Thank you, sufrommich. redqueen Mar 2013 #118

Thanks for doing this OP lunatica Mar 2013 #124

Thank you. redqueen Mar 2013 #174

nitpicking and cherry picking, eh? hfojvt Mar 2013 #126

sexual awesomeness and wallet. see, not hard. and rather useless. not to mention the damage it seabeyond Mar 2013 #139

success in terms of money, career and power La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #140

Go start a thread about that and find out. redqueen Mar 2013 #175

I think it very brave of you to take this on, at so many levels. timdog44 Mar 2013 #127

Thank you. And you are so very, very right.. redqueen Mar 2013 #178

So let me get this straight Rajesh Mar 2013 #129

You seem to have completely misunderstood the entire subject. undeterred Mar 2013 #136

OMG you poor thing... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #141

It is safe to assume DURHAM D Mar 2013 #170

reading comprehension is your friend. to go to all that bother and frame your issue so poorly seabeyond Mar 2013 #142

Well bless yer li'l heart. n/t MadrasT Mar 2013 #143

its not her personal story when she extrapolates from herself to others La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #145

Did you even read redqueen's OP? She explicitly does NOT say that riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #146

Wow. Really? Apophis Mar 2013 #149

OMG you poor thing! Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #158

lol! Whisp Mar 2013 #328

Very well put LTR Mar 2013 #242

more insults? not an ability to actually address what you disagree with. just lazy insults? seabeyond Mar 2013 #291

Okay, so you take offense at me using terms like "hotheads" LTR Mar 2013 #331

You get a grip MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #377

lol. now i am a stalker. you good. i do not think there is a post, without personal attack. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #379

+1 patrice Mar 2013 #280

post 248 seabeyond Mar 2013 #292

Wow. Really? That guy didn't even understand the OP, and said "shame on you"... redqueen Mar 2013 #333

Wow. Way to miss the point completely. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #405

This thread has had the effect of lansing a boil for me. loudsue Mar 2013 #134

... undeterred Mar 2013 #137

((((Gentle hugs)))) LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #138

Thank you. loudsue Mar 2013 #156

It is a tearful thread. sufrommich Mar 2013 #160

I'm glad it helped. redqueen Mar 2013 #182

I cried too lunatica Mar 2013 #204

Me too. myrna minx Mar 2013 #296

Excellent! Her article reminds me of the BS tblue37 Mar 2013 #144

Yeah, that's where we're used to hearing such victim-blaming stuff. redqueen Mar 2013 #184

Redqueen Hekate Mar 2013 #147

Thank you, Hekate. redqueen Mar 2013 #185

I agree. Apophis Mar 2013 #148

Thank you. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #186

Agreed. And who are the fuckers at Salon that thought it was a good idea to post this on their site Evoman Mar 2013 #151

the same kind of fuckers that are defending Poppy Harlow and CNN Whisp Mar 2013 #169

Thanks. I wrote to Salon and expressed my disgust. redqueen Mar 2013 #188

Agree on all points but the slander of the BDSM community riqster Mar 2013 #161

I wondered about that part too BainsBane Mar 2013 #179

i believe there is research that states it is a real issue, a community outcry there is an issue. seabeyond Mar 2013 #181

I suppose it's possible that predators are drawn BainsBane Mar 2013 #183

that would have been the point in the article and how important it was to police the community and seabeyond Mar 2013 #187

I was referring to various reports from people in the scene. redqueen Mar 2013 #189

The most obvious response to that... opiate69 Mar 2013 #192

If you are going to say "even more often", you should have proper citations to prove it riqster Mar 2013 #252

Saw that thread, horrible. Rex Mar 2013 #162

I hope the confused listen to you on this point BainsBane Mar 2013 #180

I just will never buy what is being sold. Rex Mar 2013 #390

Oh I think people understand just fine. redqueen Mar 2013 #190

Anyone here on DU that is trying to blur the lines Rex Mar 2013 #386

I've been accused of doing that. redqueen Mar 2013 #396

That is so wrong. Rex Mar 2013 #401

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #402

If you have to explain how bad sex wasn't rape, it probably was... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #167

When sexual molestation/abuse/RAPE is involved in a child's history... redqueen Mar 2013 #194

I shouldn't be surprised... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #203

Thank you. I was flamed for stating that the OP wasn't responsible... Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #171

Thank you, I'm glad you find it helpful. redqueen Mar 2013 #196

Sexual counseling from someone whose lost her virginity at age 4 via her own father rocktivity Mar 2013 #176

It's heartbreaking, really. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #198

The girl in Steubenville didn't initially understand she was raped BainsBane Mar 2013 #177

She didn't even remember... redqueen Mar 2013 #200

Yeah, it's the idea that what the other person (usually female) wants doesn't matter. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #202

It's an enormous problem. redqueen Mar 2013 #229

Yes. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #235

"No one is out there telling women that they have to feel that they were raped" is a horrible line. Igel Mar 2013 #241

My friend Jennifer told me a story when we were both 13. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #248

Thank you, LL. redqueen Mar 2013 #313

:) LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #314

God, you just keep on keeping me on the verge of tears. Evoman Mar 2013 #403

Thank you. That stuff doesn't hurt me anymore. Hearing people support rape or LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #404

As usual, you have given me a great deal to think about Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #253

Thanks. redqueen Mar 2013 #307

Why is this thread being run over and over on DU? ladjf Mar 2013 #269

Over and over? redqueen Mar 2013 #308

well, redq. i saw a thread that cheered the article. and i see a thread that challenges it. seabeyond Mar 2013 #318

Yeah, some people complain about any discussions about rape, though... redqueen Mar 2013 #319

Or they tell us to take the discussion to some man-free zone and be good little LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #322

ah, i was told just this morning, again, it is my "tone". lol. 'pose to be nicer. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #325

LOL it never changes, does it? Been fighting all my life..... LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #326

Thank you for your comments. DURHAM D Mar 2013 #335

Thank you. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #338

I believe the "over and over" LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #324

Yeah... what I don't get is how posts calling out rapists, or rape culture, or sexual harassment redqueen Mar 2013 #340

Maybe there is a reason for that...was just watching a crime show and heard LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #343

I think that cop was projecting. If he wasn't, I don't want to know. redqueen Mar 2013 #346

Like I said, it really stunned me. But it got me thinking... LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #348

I can't even think about it. redqueen Mar 2013 #370

It's really hard to think about, I totally agree. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #374

It's not true!! Tien1985 Mar 2013 #407

I'm glad to hear that! It really shocked and upset me... LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #410

it's as though those making the charge of male bashing BainsBane Mar 2013 #408

That's what I'm trying to figure out. That's why I wondered if they might LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #411

Who knows BainsBane Mar 2013 #416

I agree with you about the age disparity. pnwmom Mar 2013 #275

Where are you seeing presumption? Are you responding to my OP redqueen Mar 2013 #309

I'm responding to your OP but asking a more general question. pnwmom Mar 2013 #364

The article was reasonable, while you're foaming at the mouth. MrModerate Mar 2013 #276

I agree with the article and I think it is being mischaracterized here. patrice Mar 2013 #277

I'm not sure her father raping her at four could be called "a sexually bad experience." LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #278

Was that in the article? I don't suppose it matters that it wasn't if it's true, so I'll edit the patrice Mar 2013 #281

Oh, no, it was another article she wrote, one of three she has had published. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #282

Thank you for the information. No doubt about it, childhood experiences, especially of patrice Mar 2013 #284

I had a great Uncle who spent time in a German POW camp LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #286

LiberalLoner, Sissyk Mar 2013 #316

Thank you. I've been there and find it triggering. I'm also a bit suspicious LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #321

I'm sorry you feel that way about the new group. Sissyk Mar 2013 #327

Thank you! I know you didn't. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #329

at a time when so many are questioning whether raping a gilr that is unconscious is really rape, you seabeyond Mar 2013 #293

Thank you, sea. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #310

Would you ever dare to say that people who claim to be mugged ought not to be taken at their word redqueen Mar 2013 #337

Well written take down of the article. I'm impressed. nt el_bryanto Mar 2013 #303

Thank you. redqueen Mar 2013 #311

Well done, as usual, redqueen. Zorra Mar 2013 #306

Thanks, Zorra. redqueen Mar 2013 #312

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #315

What is your view on sex while drunk? joeglow3 Mar 2013 #345

If a woman or man does not say "yes" it is rape. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #354

THAT is clear joeglow3 Mar 2013 #358

I would even go one step further, KitSileya Mar 2013 #360

Thank you, and thank you for this great post! LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #367

Thank you. redqueen Mar 2013 #393

Yes. That is the definition of consent. Exactly. MadrasT Mar 2013 #406

Message auto-removed RedAngellion Mar 2013 #361

A sliding scale of rape? myrna minx Mar 2013 #365

Yep. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #366

Yep, I hope whoever alerted first checked the TOS. nt sufrommich Mar 2013 #387

Popcorn Boy.... Whisp Mar 2013 #388

With "real rape" on one end, Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #380

It's so hurtful. I can't fathom the jollies that some of these folks get out myrna minx Mar 2013 #398

They came to provoke...here's their engraved tombstone Kurovski Mar 2013 #420

I understand some about the sliding scale. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #372

A jury voted 3-3 to let this vile,trollish bullshit sufrommich Mar 2013 #384

Do you have the jury results? n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #385

No,someone must have alerted before me. All I sufrommich Mar 2013 #389

Same here. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2013 #392

PPR'd. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #394

I hope the troll took his jury friends with him. nt sufrommich Mar 2013 #395

Results here: arcane1 Mar 2013 #397

Juror # 2. Puke. sufrommich Mar 2013 #400

She is a young woman in a lot of pain... NCTraveler Mar 2013 #368

I personally don't feel anything but empathy for her. LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #369

It was not my intent to attack her. redqueen Mar 2013 #399

Whenever I read something you write..... NCTraveler Mar 2013 #413

I think she is being victimized by these people over and over again. seabeyond Mar 2013 #414

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #418

Can not see the Forrest 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #371

I had the same revulsion for what I call the good girl role, making sure not to LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #381

It's only less than 50 replies to the OP... redqueen Mar 2013 #382

And thank you for showing so clearly why her essay brought up that LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #383

Thank you redqueen MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #378

Thank you... redqueen Mar 2013 #419

So much bad logic...so little time Taverner Mar 2013 #391