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ProSense

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117. Who is making that

Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:16 PM

Mar 2013

"There is also (assuming the best intent and wisest design) the baked into the cake assumption the the insurance industry is a rational group of competing businesses looking to turn an honest buck in exchange for value added services that benefits the broad population doing business in a rational market rather than a predatory cartel that rules an irrational and therefore immoral miking scheme, none of which is true."

...assumption? I fully expect the insurance companies to remain greedy predators, which is what will doom them under this law.

"You are also assuming that states will generally act and function substantially differently without budgets and regulatory tools to support such a turning of the leaf and that corporate capture is inherently diminished."

If anything, I think those making the assumptions that favor Republicans and insurance companies are in for a surprise.
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Obamacare is Single Payer with a time delay [View all] Egalitariat Mar 2013 OP

From your lips to God's ears Freddie Mar 2013 #1

With any luck, I'll live to see it... Wounded Bear Mar 2013 #2

I'd like to believe this proclamation, but upon what do you base it? n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #3

The robber-baron insurance companies are victiims of SoCalDem Mar 2013 #4

My premiums in effect dropped 50% this year. I was able to switch. Last year I couldn't. graham4anything Mar 2013 #5

My premiums have skyrocketed every year since it became law. nt LWolf Mar 2013 #18

so have mine nt freedom fighter jh Mar 2013 #20

Mine, too. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #68

Mine have been skyrocketing for years SalviaBlue Mar 2013 #137

Anyone else have premiums going UP? Beartracks Mar 2013 #21

Well, I actually now HAVE premiums... MoonchildCA Mar 2013 #50

That's good news. Most of folks griping about their premium increases miss that point. Hoyt Mar 2013 #104

My premiums have gone up every year. Period. ramapo Mar 2013 #26

Same here. n/t Lugnut Mar 2013 #47

But it's not fully in effect and premiums have been skyrocketing for years. pnwmom Mar 2013 #53

My premiums went up every year. Moderately. LWolf Mar 2013 #58

Same here. City Lights Mar 2013 #66

Me too! Ron Obvious Mar 2013 #70

The "can't deny coverage" LWolf Mar 2013 #97

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of... n/t Ron Obvious Mar 2013 #100

Tell us the prices. Are you selfemployed or with a company? How much before and now? graham4anything Mar 2013 #79

Well, I won't go back and look at paystubs LWolf Mar 2013 #96

I'd like to catch a rocketship to your planet. Which one is it? /nt Marr Mar 2013 #74

so what are your montly/yearly #s? Work for a company or self employed? graham4anything Mar 2013 #80

Can you please cite exactly which provision of... bvar22 Mar 2013 #91

I Suspect There Is Something To That, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2013 #6

Senator Bernie Sanders said something very similar to this right after the patrice Mar 2013 #7

great idea, now is the time for dems to take this up and run with at the state level nt msongs Mar 2013 #8

IT is cruel, evil, and horribly expensive in lives and money, and may destroy the economy Demeter Mar 2013 #9

Tell that to the people who will finally qualify for health insurance in 2014 pnwmom Mar 2013 #54

Tell that to the 30 million that AREN'T covered Demeter Mar 2013 #62

This^^^ Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #71

War is Peace. woo me with science Mar 2013 #108

And anyone who STILL won't have health *care*, because they've been granted the Marr Mar 2013 #75

But now they can get it. Before they couldn't. graham4anything Mar 2013 #81

You don't give a shit-- I got it. /nt Marr Mar 2013 #98

Only if they can afford to pay for care dflprincess Mar 2013 #123

On what basis are the insurance companies refusing to pay for their treatments? nt pnwmom Mar 2013 #87

I don't know what their most recent reasons are. Marr Mar 2013 #99

I hope this person gets advice on how the new regulations affect his or situation. pnwmom Mar 2013 #103

Yup. graham4anything Mar 2013 #130

What part of the ACA caused them to lose their coverage? Bradical79 Mar 2013 #84

Do you have a link for that? n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #86

Mengele?! Seriously?! mac56 Mar 2013 #72

Unless we get a Republican President to go along with our Cleita Mar 2013 #10

The day that happens, every thing will go poof! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #11

It's a good first step but it is no panacea. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #12

Profits are OK timdog44 Mar 2013 #14

If I own a product upon which your life depends, my profits will be obscene. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #15

I guess this could turn into timdog44 Mar 2013 #16

We don't allow water companies or electric companies to take the public hostage BlueStreak Mar 2013 #34

unless your in Detroit, the EFM is pushing through drastic water rate hikes, and talking of making putitinD Mar 2013 #46

All turned over to for-profit companies, no doubt BlueStreak Mar 2013 #56

You could sign up for a "non-profit" plan when available in your area. Hoyt Mar 2013 #105

I was referreing to the Detroit utilities BlueStreak Mar 2013 #107

you got that right icarusxat Mar 2013 #22

I generally agree with you. timdog44 Mar 2013 #39

It need not be out of kindness of the human heart. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #41

I am not really arguing with you. timdog44 Mar 2013 #42

When I hear phrases like "out of the kindness of their hearts" it is usually used in this context; lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #43

Sorry for my misuse of that turn of word. timdog44 Mar 2013 #44

Fully agree. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #45

Just wanted to point out a new thread timdog44 Mar 2013 #145

Obscene profits have to be returned to the policyholders. It's already happening with the ACA. Zen Democrat Mar 2013 #132

No there are plenty of people besides insurance companies who are making obscene profits. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #140

If we're going to argue that treestar Mar 2013 #60

You should know that the prior to the passage of the Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #61

That would be great! mercymechap Mar 2013 #13

this is what i suspected. pansypoo53219 Mar 2013 #17

Obamacare is going to save my financial hiney! flamingdem Mar 2013 #19

"Oh, Dear Great Egalitariat... ReRe Mar 2013 #23

small businesses and those who buy individual policies will, as far as I can tell, be screwed Flaxbee Mar 2013 #24

No ProSense Mar 2013 #25

Unfortunately I have to agree with you, it WILL hurt small business. still_one Mar 2013 #29

Small businesses ProSense Mar 2013 #32

NOPE. 50% less starting in April self employed. NO existing clause. NO lifetime cap. graham4anything Mar 2013 #82

I hope you are right, but I really doubt it. In fact what I see in California is that both still_one Mar 2013 #27

every time a repub state turns down aca, i see single payer getting closer to reality. eom ellenfl Mar 2013 #28

In the meantime, the number of underinsured will continue to grow dflprincess Mar 2013 #30

... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2013 #31

Well yeah sure, but the campaign contributors will make out like crazy. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #36

+1 n/t area51 Mar 2013 #51

The term "Medical Bankruptcy" is unknown in civilized countries. bvar22 Mar 2013 #92

Hope you're right. joanbarnes Mar 2013 #33

Hope you are right, tell me when the annual out of pocket expenses will decline ... slipslidingaway Mar 2013 #35

What's your hypothesis as to why RomneyObamaCare will turn to single payer? MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #37

Then there is this. reteachinwi Mar 2013 #38

I find it interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #40

Brilliant isn't what I would call me not being able to get insurance for 15 months. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #48

I tend to agree with this, Volaris Mar 2013 #49

Democrats are going to pay a big price in elections before single payer happens uselessobot Mar 2013 #52

What on ProSense Mar 2013 #55

I do not think you really understand the bigger picture uselessobot Mar 2013 #64

Oh ProSense Mar 2013 #67

(She never does) Demeter Mar 2013 #106

+1 woo me with science Mar 2013 #110

I got ProSense Mar 2013 #112

See Reply uselessobot Mar 2013 #144

"She" does ProSense Mar 2013 #113

+1 Bobbie Jo Mar 2013 #136

"edit: I did not mean to slander the men of DU, sorry." ProSense Mar 2013 #129

I have rapidly figured that out already uselessobot Mar 2013 #143

I hope you are right. 99Forever Mar 2013 #57

Now that's optimism ! treestar Mar 2013 #59

kick Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #63

which is exactly how single payer came to Canada, in increments. grantcart Mar 2013 #65

^ This. ^ mac56 Mar 2013 #73

It started with for-profit insurance companies enlightenment Mar 2013 #94

It started with a very limited program, the Saskatchawan Hospitalization Act grantcart Mar 2013 #135

So, cutting to the chase - enlightenment Mar 2013 #138

Cutting to the chase of the 30 some single payer systems in the world only one turned from a private grantcart Mar 2013 #139

A plan developed to essentially protect and extend the longevity of the insurance cartel TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #69

Exactly. /nt Marr Mar 2013 #77

Here's ProSense Mar 2013 #95

No they won't. They are governors on the engine to limit the speed and consumption, at best. TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #116

Who is making that ProSense Mar 2013 #117

This is the correct answer. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #109

Great post! dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #141

I'm going to assume this is satire. /nt Marr Mar 2013 #76

they just don't get it think_critically Mar 2013 #78

I think a lot of people in need will suffer for years. Zax2me Mar 2013 #83

Single payer will have to happen state by state eridani Mar 2013 #85

my medicare payments are just starting to arrive this week madrchsod Mar 2013 #88

Yep. THAT is WHY all the Health Insurance Corporations are Running Scaird!!!! bvar22 Mar 2013 #89

Amazing, how simple observation of reality woo me with science Mar 2013 #111

+1 LWolf Mar 2013 #119

Let's hope you are right. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #90

Calling it one of the most brilliant pieces of legislation in US history.... NCTraveler Mar 2013 #93

It was a brilliant piece of legislation. Or rather, woo me with science Mar 2013 #114

Fully agree with your post. NCTraveler Mar 2013 #115

It ProSense Mar 2013 #128

A friend was offered medical, life, disability and dental for $104 per month, this is the same Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #101

So, should I expect LWolf Mar 2013 #118

The plan he is on is a group offer and I think if the insurance companies are going Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #121

My plan is a group plan through my employer. LWolf Mar 2013 #122

I think some shopping is going to be in order, let's see how many of the insuramce companies Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #124

Why don't you tell us what Insurance Company... bvar22 Mar 2013 #127

The company is Blue Cross-Blue Shield of Texas, remember it was a group rate through Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #131

State run health systems with health contributions from salary Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2013 #102

No. Obamacare is corporate welfare and a payoff to the insurance industry Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #120

Funny, ProSense Mar 2013 #125

In this case I am. Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #133

spot on eom arely staircase Mar 2013 #126

Premiums going up are not really a bad thing madville Mar 2013 #134

We're already paying WAY more dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #142