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sir pball

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Sun Mar 24, 2013, 07:32 PM Mar 2013

I own guns, and I am your friend. [View all]

We need to work together. I'm the one who is most ashamed at gun crime...that's nothing I stand for or believe in.

I own guns and I quite like them - in the same way I love my bike, and my cars when I have them (NYC is as bad for cars as guns..). As mechanical items that I can tinker with endlessly in search of a bit more performance, be it accuracy or speed. But I digress.

I also support a lot of pretty strong gun control, just not the kind of regulations that play to the masses. I don't support an AWB because practically, it's a silly feel-good law that frankly does ban guns on looks (Patton called the M1 Garand "the greatest battle implement ever devised" and it's not by any definition an "assault weapon&quot and pragmatically is a piss-poor way to spend political capital; ~350 murders with rifles of *all kinds* vs. 6,500+ with handguns is a telling statistic to where we should be focusing our efforts.

I think every firearms transaction, be it from a dealer, at a gun show, through the classifieds in the local paper, or from your best friend, should go through an FFL (licensed dealer) and be recorded on a 4473 (the ATF form that records any gun sold via a dealer); I don't like registration but I'm very much in favor of traceability and I think the difference needs to be clarified and promoted. I'm entirely OK with magazine limits - my preferred handgun, and my home-defense gun, both carry 8, and my so-called "assault" rifle can't handle more than five without starting to damage the $700 barrel. You say 30-round mags are "ideal" for home defense? That makes my head spin - who or what is gonna assault your home that you need 30 rounds to stop? At that point I'm cutting my losses and running out the backdoor. I have two mags and the second one is for a defended retreat.

Licensing, fine with me - I routinely have a concealed-carry permit, which is advertising to the government that I own guns, so making it mandatory? No problem. Hell, I've openly said I would be fine with bringing all guns in America under the same very strict laws that regulate machine guns in exchange for some realistically minor concessions. And that's just off the top of my head - probably 85% of gun control I support but the polarized nature of the debate and especially the weird fixation on the fucking AWB makes it a hard if not impossible discussion to have.

I know that simply saying "I own guns" makes people here recoil in disgust and fear, and tends to cut off a lot of constructive dialogue - but I own guns, and I am more your friend than you may think.

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What's your thoughts about this: Paulie Mar 2013 #1
Would barely affect me.. sir pball Mar 2013 #3
You sound reasonable to me. Both extremes are foolish...... Logical Mar 2013 #2
Not far from my views either. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #4
More than 5 just heats it up too much sir pball Mar 2013 #5
I'm typically shooting a handgun, so the heat dissipates faster NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #7
1911? sir pball Mar 2013 #19
Is it safe to assume that you would favor registering them and storing them in an armory? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #6
For me, that would be a definite "No". NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #8
I thought I was pretty clear.. sir pball Mar 2013 #10
Why don't you favor registration? octothorpe Mar 2013 #81
If you want to remain My Friend, jazzimov Mar 2013 #9
I'll extend an olive branch and try for some dialogue with you. sir pball Mar 2013 #12
And as I read this, I think all gun owners need martial arts training. sir pball Mar 2013 #15
And that is part of the problem! jazzimov Mar 2013 #24
I AM a black belt and am curious about your "one punch kill skill" Bonobo Mar 2013 #31
Well, if you really wanna know (and it's against the defenseless man) sir pball Mar 2013 #34
Seems like a silly thing to do. Bonobo Mar 2013 #36
You are, in toto, right sir pball Mar 2013 #38
I think you are too worried about situations that aren't likely to occur. Hoyt Mar 2013 #42
I would appreciate the light. jazzimov Mar 2013 #17
It's not fantasy, more a kata. sir pball Mar 2013 #27
Why stop there? lbrtbell Mar 2013 #59
Nope. Sorry. You are not my friend. And this thread has turned into gun porn. HERVEPA Mar 2013 #11
You're the kind of person sir pball Mar 2013 #21
I truly don't care what you intended. HERVEPA Mar 2013 #26
Correction: 'gungeons' pipoman Mar 2013 #67
I hope you are aware... sarisataka Mar 2013 #13
Oh, I know sir pball Mar 2013 #16
I too am pro/pro sarisataka Mar 2013 #23
Ten rounds is more than reasonable. Personally I think magazine limits are feel good laws too. geckosfeet Mar 2013 #14
Do you belong to the NRA? Skidmore Mar 2013 #18
I should have said sir pball Mar 2013 #20
Not so sure about that, but many gun cultist make the same misdiagnosis. Hoyt Mar 2013 #45
So cute, so predictable man sir pball Mar 2013 #48
I suspect Lansa, Holmes, Stawicki, Loughner, etc., said the same thing. Hoyt Mar 2013 #49
I'm very honest. Their guns are meaningless. sir pball Mar 2013 #51
I'm with you on the handguns, particularly toting in public. Hoyt Mar 2013 #62
If you fetisize guns... 99Forever Mar 2013 #22
Owning a gun is not a fetish lbrtbell Mar 2013 #63
My "phobia" doesn't kill children... 99Forever Mar 2013 #84
Glad to hear from you, friend. AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #25
We may disagree on some finer points sir pball Mar 2013 #32
If you own a gun you are danger to yourself, your family, your neighbors and your community. bowens43 Mar 2013 #28
Guns have more than one purpose lbrtbell Mar 2013 #64
Amazing how easy it is to be ignorant and judgemental joeglow3 Mar 2013 #65
How can you judge a person Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #69
I favor licensing upon successful completion of safety courses. DinahMoeHum Mar 2013 #29
PS, I should have added in my previous posts jazzimov Mar 2013 #30
No matter who approves or disapproves of you... randome Mar 2013 #33
Thank you, really. sir pball Mar 2013 #35
I'm more of a believer in social pressure than laws this time. gulliver Mar 2013 #37
No, you are not. femmocrat Mar 2013 #39
Why, please? sir pball Mar 2013 #42
Then we must change the fucking definition of an assault weapon. sadbear Mar 2013 #40
Ugh, that wasn't what this was supposed to be about but sir pball Mar 2013 #41
It's not either/or. sadbear Mar 2013 #44
A reasonable point is made, however, that pistols and revolvers vastly outpace... Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #47
I'm all for discussing more intense regulations on ALL firearms. sadbear Mar 2013 #83
Sibling beat me to it.. sir pball Mar 2013 #50
Put this in perspective lbrtbell Mar 2013 #66
Great. 99Forever Mar 2013 #87
Assault weapon bans are not merely about asthetics. But you can continue to believe that... Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #46
Yes, they're safer Recursion Mar 2013 #54
M14 variants are still used in specialized combat roles. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #60
So would my AR-platform rifle sir pball Mar 2013 #73
You would lose accuracy at range but not useability at short range. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #77
Actually tried it sir pball Mar 2013 #78
Oh I agree that not all pistol gripped rifles are CQB weapons. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #79
I believe that sir pball Mar 2013 #55
I have no issues with your post Marrah_G Mar 2013 #52
Thank you. nt sir pball Mar 2013 #56
No, you are not my friend. MNBrewer Mar 2013 #53
Then we shall fight sir pball Mar 2013 #57
I don't need your "help" to do shit. MNBrewer Mar 2013 #58
How'd that AWB work out for ya? sir pball Mar 2013 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author MNBrewer Mar 2013 #86
I'm very glad not to live in so much fear of my neighbors Recursion Mar 2013 #61
My friends don't carry guns. Apophis Mar 2013 #68
I own a car and I am your friend. Rex Mar 2013 #70
Can't tell if.. sir pball Mar 2013 #71
Well you do lack a certain brainwave. Rex Mar 2013 #75
I did do sir pball Mar 2013 #76
Bedtime, so.. sir pball Mar 2013 #72
Such hostility on this thread... octothorpe Mar 2013 #80
Just wary of one steeped in guns, appearing as a Trojan Horse. Hoyt Mar 2013 #82
Zesty Seasonings to make Sacred Cow go down easier... LanternWaste Mar 2013 #85
I should say "ally." sir pball Mar 2013 #89
Gun owner here also. Army of Dawgness Mar 2013 #88
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