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10. Vote for Democrats that are Social Democrats not Neo-Liberal Democrats

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:47 AM

Mar 2013

Get involved.

Make joining the military or being member of a conservative religion or otherwise a fascist stooge socially unpopular and a reason to be shunned in your community and family.

Live a life style that favors community, friends, and environment over corporations and wealth-captured government to every degree possible.

The hippies were right about most things and most liked to bath and a special someone to love contrary to popular image.

"Barefoot conducts his seminars on his houseboat in Sausalito. It costs a hundred dollars to find out why we are on this Earth. You also get a sandwich, but I wasn't hungry that day. John Lennon had just been killed and I think I know why we are on this Earth: it's to find out that what you love the most will be taken from you, probably due to an error in high places rather than by design."

Philip K Dick, opening paragraph to The Transmigration of Timothy Archer.

What is wrong about this paragraph is that in my bitter age I would switch the position of error and design.

PKD was an optimist, I guess I am a pragmatic realist about life.

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What should we do to push the country to the left? [View all] struggle4progress Mar 2013 OP

Step one: We need to regain control of the public education system. Without it, there is no ladjf Mar 2013 #1

Theses on Feuerbach III struggle4progress Mar 2013 #7

I don't recommend education to "reform" society, just to enlighten it. Ignorance about the World ladjf Mar 2013 #9

South Africa won majority rule several years back, in a political settlement that resulted struggle4progress Mar 2013 #13

And did they manage without controlling any media, as well? I'll bet it was all face to face, no? freshwest Mar 2013 #16

The minority government had a number of legal tools for ensuring that strong opposition views struggle4progress Mar 2013 #18

Did the people have the Anglicans (Desmond Tutu) organizing for them? freshwest Mar 2013 #19

To me, the lesson of the South African struggle is the dispensability of leaders: struggle4progress Mar 2013 #23

Thanks, I was just looking for similarity to the Rev's MLK, JJ, etc. in the USA. freshwest Mar 2013 #28

The ANC, oldest and largest of the anti-apartheid organizations, was founded in the era struggle4progress Mar 2013 #35

South Africa is a good example, but Venezuela is much better. bvar22 Mar 2013 #41

Regain? When did we have control of it? Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #52

Are you trying to make a point? If so, say what it is. nt ladjf Mar 2013 #57

No. I asked a question. Feel free to answer it. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #62

Welcome the refugees with open arms... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #2

Elizabeth Warren 2016 MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #3

Vote left principles rather than party or politician. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #4

The closest thing I could find to that was "smoke shizzloads of pot and listen to music" JVS Mar 2013 #6

There may sometimes be important tactical or strategic reasons to vote on grounds other than struggle4progress Mar 2013 #36

Sometimes, voting strategically works. Most times, it doesn't. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #38

I have no idea how to craft hard-and-fast rules in this regard. Nor am I adequately informed, struggle4progress Mar 2013 #39

Fine. But, what are the possible outcomes of ones acts? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #42

+10000 And rally for important causes across party lines. woo me with science Mar 2013 #44

I don't think there is anything that CAN be done. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #5

The analysis, that our situation is hopeless, seems to me an analysis one ought never adopt, struggle4progress Mar 2013 #8

Well it's a steep hill to climb. A vertical hill. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #11

Every time and place presents its own onerous tasks struggle4progress Mar 2013 #12

Inspiring LeftInTX Mar 2013 #14

Sadly, not all of those examples were immediate wins: in some cases, there were terrible setbacks struggle4progress Mar 2013 #21

That's great but the rules are different now. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #49

"The Democratic leaders do not want liberals" bvar22 Mar 2013 #45

Preaching to the choir. MrSlayer Mar 2013 #50

+1 woo me with science Mar 2013 #63

+1. Everything changes eventually. You have to do what you have to do, & when things look HiPointDem Mar 2013 #15

Once enough people begin to examine their own misconceptions about how things work, struggle4progress Mar 2013 #20

yes. and when your own life takes an unexpected turn, or the life of someone you know does, HiPointDem Mar 2013 #22

I once had a friend who carefully tracked attitudes of striking workers at a particular facility struggle4progress Mar 2013 #24

why did they expect the local and state governments to help them win a strike? that doesn't HiPointDem Mar 2013 #26

They were good hardworking people who believed that their elected leaders would share struggle4progress Mar 2013 #27

ok, that makes sense. they were good & hardworking, unlike those 'others' reagan was talking HiPointDem Mar 2013 #30

Good hardworking people may still be low-information voters struggle4progress Mar 2013 #40

Vote for Democrats that are Social Democrats not Neo-Liberal Democrats PufPuf23 Mar 2013 #10

For that strategy to work, it must be implemented in local Democratic Primaries. bvar22 Mar 2013 #47

That was a bitter and unrealistic post on my part, alas. PufPuf23 Mar 2013 #53

I'm not THAT positive, or optomistic. bvar22 Mar 2013 #54

Let working class social conservatives hang themselves by supporting conservatives Populist_Prole Mar 2013 #17

Gain control of state legislatures in 2020 Hamlette Mar 2013 #25

^^^^this^^^^ Freddie Mar 2013 #32

Don't wait until 2020. We need to gain ground during the 2014 midterms then regain bluestate10 Mar 2013 #58

What should we do to push the country to the left? jambo101 Mar 2013 #29

Have vigorous debates about holding a door open for someone. Generation_Why Mar 2013 #31

Stop voting for 3rd parties like Ron Paul/Perot/Nader/George Wallace and only vote democratic graham4anything Mar 2013 #33

One needs decades of continuous "rule." A vote from graham4anything for "RULE." woo me with science Mar 2013 #46

I caught that too. bvar22 Mar 2013 #48

Blind fealty to political party woo me with science Mar 2013 #55

Other countries have tried... bvar22 Mar 2013 #56

That's why I always make a point of mocking woo me with science Mar 2013 #59

lift with our legs, not with our back. nt Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #34

Refuse to play the partisan game. Become the 99 percent woo me with science Mar 2013 #37

Just let the Republicans keep talking. Initech Mar 2013 #43

the vegetable thing sounds viable tho MFM008 Mar 2013 #51

Put your own name on the ballot tabbycat31 Mar 2013 #60

America can start by stop sending Republicans to Congress Jamaal510 Mar 2013 #61