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alcibiades_mystery

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3. The whole "fact check" turns on Schuback's definition
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 08:18 AM
Mar 2013
A draft dodger is someone who got drafted and has then fled, or it also might be a person who made a statement by not registering (for the draft).

But that's a completely subjective definition. There is no legal category named "draft dodger." It is a cultural designation only. Now, if Schuback - a lawyer(!) - wants to argue that none of the named GOPers are technically guilty of draft evasion under the law, that's one thing. But claiming that they are not technically draft dodgers is nonsensical, since there is no such technical category. Draft dodger, rather, is a cultural category used to designate people who avoided the draft, by hook or by crook, as it were. To be sure, it usually doesn't get applied to people who received legal deferments - especially among those who tended to receive legal deferments! The Schuback's of the world want to consider others to be draft dodgers, not themselves. But there's no good reason it couldn't be so applied, and there's plenty of evidence that people who were unable to receive legal deferments (for all kinds of reasons) at least looked with sidelong glances at those who did. (Needless to say, the specter of race and class privilege loom fairly large here, which is why Schuback's try to retreat into a non-existent technical category).

The article is also deceptive to some degree. It notes that the draft lottery for Vietnam began in December 1969. Well, yes, but there was a general draft in place in the United States between 1948 and 1973. Millions were drafted into service in the Vietnam era, or coaxed into volunteering through the draft (i.e. volunteering for a specific posting rather than being thrown into general infantry).

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k&r.... spanone Mar 2013 #1
deferment used to not be equal to dodging CBGLuthier Mar 2013 #2
It's a tribal thing el_bryanto Mar 2013 #4
The whole "fact check" turns on Schuback's definition alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #3
Fugg the revisionists malaise Mar 2013 #14
Didn't stop them from claiming Clinton was a draft dodger Bandit Mar 2013 #17
I got called a "draft dodger" after enlisting MineralMan Mar 2013 #5
I knew more than one person in the late 1960s... KansDem Mar 2013 #6
One guy I used to worked with signed up for the navy... JHB Mar 2013 #7
My father did that, but I don't think he was trying to avoid combat. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #13
Was he on the Mekong Delta? What kind of boat? AAO Mar 2013 #25
He was an electrician by trade, working on LCI's, I believe. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #34
Sounds extremely claustrophobic to me. And I would know!! AAO Mar 2013 #41
Most of the guys I knew did that union_maid Mar 2013 #29
My old man got it all. sofa king Mar 2013 #40
Part of the official reasoning for the draft was that it spurred voluntary enlistments in the USAF alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #9
I was 1A after dropping out of college. It was clear that I'd MineralMan Mar 2013 #39
I joined the Navy in 71 and volunteered for Submarine duty to try and avoid being sent to Vietnam. Ganja Ninja Mar 2013 #11
The President and myself are both "draft dodgers" too MrScorpio Mar 2013 #8
Originally I joined the Navy to stay out of Vietnam madokie Mar 2013 #10
K&R Blue Owl Mar 2013 #12
Ding ding we have a winner malaise Mar 2013 #16
Draft Dodgers linbarkertx Mar 2013 #15
Excellent response malaise Mar 2013 #19
For those in the know, my serial number began with US Bandit Mar 2013 #18
My serial number was my SSN. I was AUS Brother Buzz Mar 2013 #21
My serial # did not become my SS number until I had been in for a couple of years Bandit Mar 2013 #22
Yes Brother Buzz Mar 2013 #32
Seems you never forget that number. timdog44 Mar 2013 #24
I don't get it.. Bandit Mar 2013 #28
Volunteered for the draft. timdog44 Mar 2013 #31
Chickenhawks: Those who support the wars but avoid the risk of fighting in them. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #20
Seriously? WinstonSmith4740 Mar 2013 #23
Right one had an ass boil/cyst and the other had incontinence. AAO Mar 2013 #26
Old Saying 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #36
Chickenhawks--the lowest scumbags in society kairos12 Mar 2013 #27
Just think what a nice World this would be formercia Mar 2013 #30
"Draft Dodger" was a loosely and unevenly applied term. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #33
CO 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #38
The American people no longer care about draft dodgers or military service. former9thward Mar 2013 #35
I was a "Draft Dodger" of a sort. GoneOffShore Mar 2013 #37
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