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In reply to the discussion: Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahah when draft dodgers aren't draft dodgers!! [View all]alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)3. The whole "fact check" turns on Schuback's definition
A draft dodger is someone who got drafted and has then fled, or it also might be a person who made a statement by not registering (for the draft).
But that's a completely subjective definition. There is no legal category named "draft dodger." It is a cultural designation only. Now, if Schuback - a lawyer(!) - wants to argue that none of the named GOPers are technically guilty of draft evasion under the law, that's one thing. But claiming that they are not technically draft dodgers is nonsensical, since there is no such technical category. Draft dodger, rather, is a cultural category used to designate people who avoided the draft, by hook or by crook, as it were. To be sure, it usually doesn't get applied to people who received legal deferments - especially among those who tended to receive legal deferments! The Schuback's of the world want to consider others to be draft dodgers, not themselves. But there's no good reason it couldn't be so applied, and there's plenty of evidence that people who were unable to receive legal deferments (for all kinds of reasons) at least looked with sidelong glances at those who did. (Needless to say, the specter of race and class privilege loom fairly large here, which is why Schuback's try to retreat into a non-existent technical category).
The article is also deceptive to some degree. It notes that the draft lottery for Vietnam began in December 1969. Well, yes, but there was a general draft in place in the United States between 1948 and 1973. Millions were drafted into service in the Vietnam era, or coaxed into volunteering through the draft (i.e. volunteering for a specific posting rather than being thrown into general infantry).
But that's a completely subjective definition. There is no legal category named "draft dodger." It is a cultural designation only. Now, if Schuback - a lawyer(!) - wants to argue that none of the named GOPers are technically guilty of draft evasion under the law, that's one thing. But claiming that they are not technically draft dodgers is nonsensical, since there is no such technical category. Draft dodger, rather, is a cultural category used to designate people who avoided the draft, by hook or by crook, as it were. To be sure, it usually doesn't get applied to people who received legal deferments - especially among those who tended to receive legal deferments! The Schuback's of the world want to consider others to be draft dodgers, not themselves. But there's no good reason it couldn't be so applied, and there's plenty of evidence that people who were unable to receive legal deferments (for all kinds of reasons) at least looked with sidelong glances at those who did. (Needless to say, the specter of race and class privilege loom fairly large here, which is why Schuback's try to retreat into a non-existent technical category).
The article is also deceptive to some degree. It notes that the draft lottery for Vietnam began in December 1969. Well, yes, but there was a general draft in place in the United States between 1948 and 1973. Millions were drafted into service in the Vietnam era, or coaxed into volunteering through the draft (i.e. volunteering for a specific posting rather than being thrown into general infantry).
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Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahah when draft dodgers aren't draft dodgers!! [View all]
malaise
Mar 2013
OP
Part of the official reasoning for the draft was that it spurred voluntary enlistments in the USAF
alcibiades_mystery
Mar 2013
#9
I joined the Navy in 71 and volunteered for Submarine duty to try and avoid being sent to Vietnam.
Ganja Ninja
Mar 2013
#11
My serial # did not become my SS number until I had been in for a couple of years
Bandit
Mar 2013
#22
Chickenhawks: Those who support the wars but avoid the risk of fighting in them.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2013
#20
The American people no longer care about draft dodgers or military service.
former9thward
Mar 2013
#35