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46. "There are other solutions to the problem of a city in financial straights"

Reply to Jack Rabbit (Reply #43)

Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:29 PM

Mar 2013

What would you do in Detroit?

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Pro-Democracy Movement Rises Against 'Disaster Capitalism' in Detroit [View all] xchrom Mar 2013 OP

K&R PETRUS Mar 2013 #1

I'll just say I disagree with the article backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #2

What? You agree with gutting a democratically elected government? loudsue Mar 2013 #4

have you ever had extensive dealings with that city? backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #5

So FIX IT! But don't let a totalitarian government take over and do it for you! loudsue Mar 2013 #6

people have been trying to FIX IT for 30+YEARS backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #10

they've been saying it about the US too. I'll put you down as another vote for dictatorship. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #53

I think you are biased by your own bad experience notadmblnd Mar 2013 #105

there are businesses moving into the city -- upscale type businesses like brewpubs. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #111

Interesting that you talk about Detroit Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #7

Indeed. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #8

people don't have jobs if every company refuses to work in that City backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #11

Okay Bob Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #12

how much have you dealt with Detroit? backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #13

Irrelevent Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #15

so you have never dealt with that city backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #16

Seriously, Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #17

exactly backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #19

Much as how only WW2 veterans may objectively analyze the way rather than historians... LanternWaste Mar 2013 #56

just out of curiosity where did I say screw democracy? backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #14

The part where you support replacing elected officials with an unelected official. ieoeja Mar 2013 #20

it isnt coming back backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #22

detroit is already coming back. there's big capital moving in for the fire sale. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #112

Gee, "Bob"... Dryvinwhileblind Mar 2013 #28

it was a home improvement company backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #31

At least Al liked you. You realize that Tim was just jealous of your success, don't you? n/t ieoeja Mar 2013 #57

yet there are still companies in detroit. and auto manufacturing didn't leave detroit because of HiPointDem Mar 2013 #62

It's mortifying. Union Scribe Mar 2013 #108

so far i'm not a bit surprised by the posters who love it. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #109

+1 HiPointDem Mar 2013 #54

You could just have said "yes." 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2013 #97

It was that same government that drove the city into the ground. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #40

I'm with you, Bob HisTomness Mar 2013 #21

this is why I've pretty much given up on this site as a place for chenge backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #24

^^^^THEY'RE HERE!!!^^^^ Dryvinwhileblind Mar 2013 #29

says mr 98 posts. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #63

... woo me with science Mar 2013 #66

why would anyone have multiple accounts but to troll or to make it appear that DU was more HiPointDem Mar 2013 #67

My sentiments exactly. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #69

Is that really your counterpoint? HisTomness Mar 2013 #71

says mr 99 posts. tag team HiPointDem Mar 2013 #72

I agree with you also badtoworse Mar 2013 #27

^^^^MORE third way TRIPE^^^^ Dryvinwhileblind Mar 2013 #30

So how would you fix the problem? badtoworse Mar 2013 #33

Please don't feed the troll /nt HisTomness Mar 2013 #35

What an erudite response badtoworse Mar 2013 #36

That wasn't meant to be a dig at you HisTomness Mar 2013 #38

OK, thanks badtoworse Mar 2013 #39

Propaganda. woo me with science Mar 2013 #68

Good call, WMWS... Dryvinwhileblind Mar 2013 #84

So why not just let the default play out? JVS Mar 2013 #93

I tend to agree with you, bwb. elleng Mar 2013 #81

k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #3

K&R woo me with science Mar 2013 #9

Marvelous. I hope they stop this tyranny in its tracks. caseymoz Mar 2013 #18

Power to the people Jack Rabbit Mar 2013 #23

we should send in federal troops to have a firefight? backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #25

Excuse me? Jack Rabbit Mar 2013 #32

this isn't about integrating schools damnit backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #34

Isn't that how a few Germans felt? Occulus Mar 2013 #37

No, this isn't about integration Jack Rabbit Mar 2013 #43

"There are other solutions to the problem of a city in financial straights" badtoworse Mar 2013 #46

Perhaps file bankruptcy Jack Rabbit Mar 2013 #47

What makes you think they would get a better deal from a judge? badtoworse Mar 2013 #49

I'm not a lawyer either, but the people of Detroit would stand a better chance against a judge Jack Rabbit Mar 2013 #79

As a practical matter, I doubt it will make much difference badtoworse Mar 2013 #82

In DC we squealed when it happened, but it worked out well Recursion Mar 2013 #59

the other two candidates had different opinions about detroit's financial situation. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #113

Thank you for that insight Jack Rabbit Mar 2013 #116

i wasn't criticizing your post. i understood what you meant. just wanted to add that there's a HiPointDem Mar 2013 #117

K&R n/t myrna minx Mar 2013 #26

How does "privatization of public resources" "hollow out your tax base" FarCenter Mar 2013 #41

By gouging wages, for a start. theKed Mar 2013 #42

But if you are not paying public employees, you don't need the tax revenues to pay them. FarCenter Mar 2013 #44

So the solution to theKed Mar 2013 #48

The solution to government deficits is to reduce govt and increase the private economy FarCenter Mar 2013 #50

False. theKed Mar 2013 #51

Keynesian economics won't work for a city that has never run a surplus FarCenter Mar 2013 #58

complete bullshit. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #92

Keynes works at a national level with control over your own monetary supply Recursion Mar 2013 #60

Exactly. theKed Mar 2013 #61

you can't spend publicly with a tax base that doesn't exist privately. Jim.Rob58 Mar 2013 #85

All Detroit has proven theKed Mar 2013 #87

It's kind of the other way around. They've proven that they can assess all the property taxes... JVS Mar 2013 #96

Keynes is for national economies (or technically for economies where you control the money supply... JVS Mar 2013 #95

because dps have been mostly under some form of emergency dictatorship since 1999. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #73

Reduction of government only helps the financial situation if done selectivly. JVS Mar 2013 #94

'lavish benefits'. lol. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #65

Detroit still has more city employees / 10,000 residents than most large cities. FarCenter Mar 2013 #74

link? HiPointDem Mar 2013 #76

Detroit overstaffed compared to other cities FarCenter Mar 2013 #86

2011. since then they've more than cut the workforce in half & cut wages and benefits. and HiPointDem Mar 2013 #91

So 21,342 in the mid 80s vs approximately 15,000 now. JVS Mar 2013 #100

you can't even read your own link. in 2011 there were 12,900 city employees & they've made HiPointDem Mar 2013 #101

My own link? Maybe you're the one who can't read something. JVS Mar 2013 #102

sorry, didn't pay attention to the name, just assumed it was the previous poster responding. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #103

But was the ratio of employees to residents right in 1980? FarCenter Mar 2013 #106

'the black administrations'. speaks volumes. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #107

Big city political machines work on a spoils system -- nothing new about that FarCenter Mar 2013 #114

Detroit's headcount has gone down continuously since at least the 80s. Them's the facts. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #115

11,000 employees in march 2012, & bing was getting ready to reduce headcount another 9%. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #118

In the most recent budget there are 9764 employees & another 673 grant-funded employees, for HiPointDem Mar 2013 #119

and taken from the jobs and revenue base. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #64

I can say that quite a few of my neighbors in Detroit are for EFM SpartanDem Mar 2013 #45

kr HiPointDem Mar 2013 #52

So Detroit was not grossly mismanaged? Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #55

K&R woo me with science Mar 2013 #70

It's an interesting & revealing thread, no? Nt xchrom Mar 2013 #75

Every time something like this comes up, there's always a tag team supporting the fascists. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #77

Corporate tentacles run deep. woo me with science Mar 2013 #78

i find it morbidly fascinating. xchrom Mar 2013 #80

�Over a decade of experimentation has shown that the emergency manager model is undemocratic and it noiretextatique Mar 2013 #83

Especially a manager who had liens on his home for unpaid UE taxes Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #88

Oh I don't know Cal. He might be like all the other capitalist whores........ socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #90

kick woo me with science Mar 2013 #89

I don't like the EFM. JVS Mar 2013 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Mar 2013 #99

'Nuff said? aristocles Mar 2013 #104

union-busting bullshit propaganda. Detroit's population has declined 40% since the 80s, and HiPointDem Mar 2013 #110

kick woo me with science Mar 2013 #120