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leftynyc

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86. Yawn

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 10:22 AM

Feb 2012

I truly couldn't care less. Burn all the flags you want....have a flag burning party. Just don't be surprised when that's all people pay attention to and your message gets lost. But that seems to be okie dokie with you so whatever.

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OWS isn't a Relevant Movement to Change Society and May Hurt Us More then It Helps Us [View all] BrentWil Feb 2012 OP

depends who us is mdmc Feb 2012 #1

The 99%. NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #3

ows is the only toll in the shed mdmc Feb 2012 #4

Sorry, but we have another tool... brooklynite Feb 2012 #256

I'll be doing something locally mdmc Feb 2012 #266

ows will be good for the workers mdmc Feb 2012 #2

The participation of hundreds of thousands of people all over the country EFerrari Feb 2012 #5

Hundreds of Thousands don't decide the direction of society.. millions do BrentWil Feb 2012 #8

You really would benefit from learning about horizontal movements EFerrari Feb 2012 #25

And MLK was not without armed subgroup either... ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #13

Yep. EFerrari Feb 2012 #22

Not to mention that King explicitly played Good Cop Bad Cop with the Black Power Movement as bad cop Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #299

Hundreds of thousands aren't participating. Hundreds are. TheWraith Feb 2012 #15

You couldn't be more wrong, as per usual. EFerrari Feb 2012 #24

Hundreds. Are you intentionally sounding stupid? Bonobo Feb 2012 #43

Then feel free to prove that. randome Feb 2012 #115

Wait, so you agree that the OWS 99% movement is made up of only "hundreds" of people? Bonobo Feb 2012 #224

it already has 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #57

What specific changes can you point to? CBHagman Feb 2012 #182

Did we have elections and I missed them? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #223

That's a nonanswer. I asked what the Occupy movement had accomplished. CBHagman Feb 2012 #269

No dear nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #285

Over the years the president has frequently addressed inequality, income gaps, etc. CBHagman Feb 2012 #302

Nice try dear nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #305

How nice it is to get updates from Fox News right at DU. EOTE Feb 2012 #135

If you added IN SAN DIEGO nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #216

Typical one-post, shit-stirring, conserva-post MNBrewer Feb 2012 #247

surprised there hasnt been a swarm from SwampG8r Feb 2012 #290

There are hundreds in Denver alone. donheld Feb 2012 #263

200,000 turn up for a NASCAR race jberryhill Feb 2012 #16

And they are arguably not participants but consumers. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #26

They bring tents jberryhill Feb 2012 #37

I brought tents to the Lower River campground for a decade. EFerrari Feb 2012 #255

Did you really just compare OWS to NASCAR?! Earth_First Feb 2012 #114

The mention was about numbers jberryhill Feb 2012 #187

Context kenfrequed Feb 2012 #198

I thought the analogy was spot on pintobean Feb 2012 #202

Spot on what? kenfrequed Feb 2012 #212

I don't need to pintobean Feb 2012 #219

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #264

I will post what I like without orders from you, thank you jberryhill Feb 2012 #213

Ridiculous analogy continued kenfrequed Feb 2012 #214

Hundreds of thousands? Big fucking deal leftynyc Feb 2012 #45

back to the flag again, Really? 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #58

You are right. this needs to be put in perspective. The anti-Vietnam War movement, IIRC, had its own CTyankee Feb 2012 #82

nicely said CTyankee n/t 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #83

thanks. And might I add to that, look where the pissed off citizens of Wisconsin have gone CTyankee Feb 2012 #121

well 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #127

And that movement had one clear message (nt) Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #125

and so does OWS: the 99% and the 1%. CTyankee Feb 2012 #147

The Civil Rights movement Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #155

Well, you've arrived at the answer yourself! CTyankee Feb 2012 #177

Wouldn't it make more sense Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #183

"One manifesto, and make it snappy!" CTyankee Feb 2012 #191

Sorry, but talk doesn't mean a lot to me. Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #193

The "plan" is in the numerous things that have already been started. CTyankee Feb 2012 #196

THAT is is legitimate claim Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #275

I know, you would think there would be signs like a simple pattern Feb 2012 #248

Just this morning Mika B. described Mitt as "part of the 1%." CTyankee Feb 2012 #271

I can make a sign that says Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #274

Extreme Income inequality is a great issue to focus on... BrentWil Feb 2012 #231

Please tell us what you think that is. CTyankee Feb 2012 #232

This BrentWil Feb 2012 #237

it is probably at the core of their issue. what do YOU think their great issue is? CTyankee Feb 2012 #234

I think that majority of people in the movement would agree... BrentWil Feb 2012 #238

No, their greater work has probably already been done. It got YOU to think, didn't it? CTyankee Feb 2012 #240

No, actually I was thinking about income inequality long before OWS NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #288

No actually, they would not nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #287

Then what is the core issue? BrentWil Feb 2012 #289

Once again nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #304

Uhm kenfrequed Feb 2012 #201

I pronounced it dead? Really? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #205

How odd kenfrequed Feb 2012 #215

And the Jews were agitating against slavery from Egypt Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #221

Civil rights movement was long... BrentWil Feb 2012 #239

But the context of that was eight years of GOP administrations... CBHagman Feb 2012 #185

THe protest were not the reason we got out.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #235

that is a debatable point. CTyankee Feb 2012 #270

Yawn leftynyc Feb 2012 #86

Why do you accuse a DUer of wanting to burn flags and use all that language which Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #99

Keep dreaming leftynyc Feb 2012 #141

Believe it or not ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #162

I do believe that some people are that stupid leftynyc Feb 2012 #179

I do not actually approve of the flag burning 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #117

It's a non-issue to you leftynyc Feb 2012 #142

So now it's a "strategy for a group". I thought it was a few people not the whole OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #174

If you think you're helping OWS leftynyc Feb 2012 #178

So you blame the whole group for what a few did because they didn't control it. L0oniX Feb 2012 #181

I am not blaming anyone for anything leftynyc Feb 2012 #188

You're one of the 1%? WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2012 #259

Glad I could make you laugh leftynyc Feb 2012 #265

if true SwampG8r Feb 2012 #292

+1000. Some here are like a dog with a bone wrt this flag burning by some SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #102

"made in China flag" LMFAO L0oniX Feb 2012 #172

you know who spends a lot of time going on SwampG8r Feb 2012 #291

LOL. Your post here proves the op's point. Solomon Feb 2012 #225

Um, the man's name was Bayard Rustin. EFerrari Feb 2012 #229

Curious who? Chan790 Feb 2012 #241

His name was Bayard Rustin. EFerrari Feb 2012 #253

Thank you! n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #258

So much my pleasure. EFerrari Feb 2012 #284

The civil rights movement and the labor movement percolated Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #6

The fact that you have only insults and insinuations to answer with is telling. TheWraith Feb 2012 #17

Boo fucking hoo. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #21

You are right to protect your turf. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #27

Does that include protecting one's country from illegal immigration? RZM Feb 2012 #104

What would you be protecting the country from? Tax revenue? Just sayin. EFerrari Feb 2012 #186

Like I said, I'm not trying to turn this into a thread about immigration RZM Feb 2012 #190

I don't care if OWS makes mistakes 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #60

They have not accomplished anything treestar Feb 2012 #93

That's hilarious. Considering that so many 'Supporters' here freak out at any criticism Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #87

i would think the concept of SwampG8r Feb 2012 #293

All of these arguments Hissyspit Feb 2012 #7

And the movement remains non effective, after a very brief period of being effective NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #9

I think you are a bit premature ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #14

The professor is correct. ellisonz Feb 2012 #20

non effective 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #62

really? we're not now talking about the 99% and the 1%? and not just us, but the candidates... CTyankee Feb 2012 #85

How can anybody say that it is noneffective? Obama is leading in polls. yardwork Feb 2012 #91

An improving economy will have a much bigger impact than anything that OWS does hack89 Feb 2012 #97

Nobody can prove that OWS is not effective. yardwork Feb 2012 #120

I agree. I just think the economy will have a much bigger effect hack89 Feb 2012 #123

i would argue just the opposite. barbtries Feb 2012 #161

Considering how apolitical the American populace is hack89 Feb 2012 #164

i don't doubt it. barbtries Feb 2012 #176

the wailing and gnashing here against them SwampG8r Feb 2012 #294

Change starts with one person Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #10

Andrew Breitbart and his buddies agree with you! sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #11

I think perhaps 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #63

+1 raouldukelives Feb 2012 #137

Ummm... Can I borrow your crystal ball? cbrer Feb 2012 #12

who is shitcanning the whole country? 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #64

Was that the reason? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2012 #92

Occupy isn't yet 6 months old unionworks Feb 2012 #18

And that's the other point. randome Feb 2012 #53

He takes delight? 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #66

I have never, EVER castigated anyone with OWS for 'feeding the hungry'. randome Feb 2012 #73

Incorrect. Look at this thread. A handful of DUers whines from the right against Occupy Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #81

How would YOU have stopped a large group of people from taking over a public building? randome Feb 2012 #105

The 400 arrested were not attempting to take over anything. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #146

Yes, they were pintobean Feb 2012 #149

Uh no. Most of those who were arrested were marching blocks from the Convention Center, kettled Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #184

Occupy Oakland's goal for the day pintobean Feb 2012 #200

The videos ABSOLUTELY dispute that. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #204

I guess, what you mean is, pintobean Feb 2012 #206

There is no evidence that those marching hours after the attempt to occupy the convention center Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #207

dont argue with SwampG8r Feb 2012 #295

You are the 8 ball of liberal wisdom. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #297

if you rub my belly SwampG8r Feb 2012 #298

Sometimes I really do laugh out loud. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #300

No thanks... Capitalocracy Feb 2012 #303

Bowie said it best unionworks Feb 2012 #19

+ a lot Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #23

other than CHANGING THE ENTIRE POLITICAL DISCUSSION IN DC it has not changed much lol nt msongs Feb 2012 #28

The message has gotten through leftynyc Feb 2012 #46

You're right. randome Feb 2012 #54

What bills have passed? treestar Feb 2012 #94

Delusional is expecting Occupy in 4 months to pass legislation when for 3 years all we Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #103

It is hard for the President and even Congress treestar Feb 2012 #109

But you are so wrong from the start that there is no need to read on. Here, listen. Bonobo Feb 2012 #29

I Agree 100% Bonobo HangOnKids Feb 2012 #126

+1 cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #134

i still want a rec this post button! barbtries Feb 2012 #163

well said!! dana_b Feb 2012 #197

Cheer up. You have ALREADY been proven wrong, many times over. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #30

I think I can help you out. Bonobo Feb 2012 #31

Well said! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #116

That is it exactly. This is a movement that calls into question socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #129

That is so true, really. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #195

I hope OUR spring turns out better than Egypt's FrodosPet Feb 2012 #52

yes, I see the words 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #69

There's a thought MFrohike Feb 2012 #32

The OP is essentially a conservative viewpoint. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #36

Over and over again Morning Dew Feb 2012 #39

Count the uses of the words 'discipline' and 'leaders' Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #79

Self-discipline is a conservative trait? Didn't know that. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #98

I did not say that, now did I? Putting words into other's mouths IS a conservative trait. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #106

In the context of the OP discipline = self-discipline hack89 Feb 2012 #111

No MFrohike Feb 2012 #199

OK. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #203

yes i agree. barbtries Feb 2012 #165

"Real Change" normally sucks for everyone involved.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #242

Who said anything about a revolution? JDPriestly Feb 2012 #306

Well, I thought you brought up a good point. randome Feb 2012 #55

Occupy has been pretty specific. 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #70

Then maybe you can explain what those specifics are. randome Feb 2012 #75

It's been explained to you so many times before. 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #76

A hundred OWS groups with about seventy messages. randome Feb 2012 #108

Randomness? kenfrequed Feb 2012 #208

So the message 'Things should be better'. randome Feb 2012 #218

hmm barbtries Feb 2012 #166

it started as a protest that no Wall Street bankers have pnwest Feb 2012 #33

the tell tale sign unionworks Feb 2012 #34

So you not understand leftynyc Feb 2012 #47

No, I'm saying unionworks Feb 2012 #48

Unfortunately, I think you're wrong leftynyc Feb 2012 #56

Great! kenfrequed Feb 2012 #211

So how did the flag burners get the Vietnam protests condemned??? L0oniX Feb 2012 #132

Different time leftynyc Feb 2012 #143

We are being drafted into an unpopular serfdom. L0oniX Feb 2012 #144

Good luck with the hyperbole leftynyc Feb 2012 #145

Good luck with your anti OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #148

LOL - so now leftynyc Feb 2012 #152

Nice reframe. L0oniX Feb 2012 #167

Your Condescendence Burns HangOnKids Feb 2012 #173

Beats making a decent argument, I guess leftynyc Feb 2012 #180

But...but.... unionworks Feb 2012 #160

So true. It's obvious there are so called "Dems" that are happy to attack OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #168

not that surprising 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #72

It's discusting to see people who claim to be Dem attack OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #133

Today, I saw a video of Mitt Romney professing that he is on the side JDPriestly Feb 2012 #35

Totally agree unionworks Feb 2012 #38

does every opinion have to be one crazy extreme or the other!? Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #40

thank you. barbtries Feb 2012 #170

I don't agree nt Raine Feb 2012 #41

I guess that's why the meme has changed and we're now discussing malaise Feb 2012 #42

According to you, who is "us". Maybe THAT is the best question. nt Bonobo Feb 2012 #44

I wholeheartedly disagree. blue neen Feb 2012 #49

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #50

+100 n/t Earth_First Feb 2012 #65

The hidden post above is harsh but factually correct. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #78

Pap Broderick Feb 2012 #51

Compare OWS with The Wisc Recall Movement and the Ohio Backlash Against Kasich Yavin4 Feb 2012 #59

Excellent points! randome Feb 2012 #68

So what has the recall movement really done? Last time I looked....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #136

The Recall Movement in Ohio Over-Turned Kasich's Anti-Union Bill Yavin4 Feb 2012 #228

Yep, it did overturn the Kasich anti union bill......... socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #286

Agree 100% As it currently operates, OWS will not accomplish anything substantive. - nt badtoworse Feb 2012 #61

"Us" HughBeaumont Feb 2012 #67

This. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #90

WHen have I supported "unbridled capitalism" BrentWil Feb 2012 #244

Here you go... trumad Feb 2012 #71

heheheh SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #118

Oohh pretty nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #220

OWS has already done enough to refute this OP stevenleser Feb 2012 #74

OWS changed the narrative Broderick Feb 2012 #89

Do you think the Tea Party took the winter off? hack89 Feb 2012 #100

The tea party changed the narrative for awhile, but that has drifted into obscurity imo Broderick Feb 2012 #107

Believe that if you wish. hack89 Feb 2012 #113

No they are in many places, as you must know. It's in the public discourse now, like it or not... CTyankee Feb 2012 #243

The Tea Party is in the public discourse too - the war has not been won yet. hack89 Feb 2012 #257

Unfortunately, there will always be some in the American populace who are, for one reason or CTyankee Feb 2012 #272

And since those closed minded people have amassed significant political power hack89 Feb 2012 #280

Of course. NOthing is guaranteed. CTyankee Feb 2012 #281

You can relax as you are already wrong. Toweringly so. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #77

Again SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #119

+1 L0oniX Feb 2012 #131

Very well said. pa28 Feb 2012 #210

It already has been a success. And it's only 4 months old. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #80

If it so happens, aka-chmeee Feb 2012 #84

Here ProSense Feb 2012 #88

"I hope to be proved wrong. " greytdemocrat Feb 2012 #95

They are so irrelevant you had to write a post about them... SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #96

Yes, they are relevant. pintobean Feb 2012 #101

They rarely ARE in the news. randome Feb 2012 #112

Occupy Philadelphia alone seems to have 70 different messages... MadrasT Feb 2012 #124

Thank you for your concern. aquart Feb 2012 #158

OWS seems to have some problems with lack of leadership but it is very relevant. Jennicut Feb 2012 #110

Yup, all successful protest groups were HUGE HITS OVERNIGHT joeybee12 Feb 2012 #122

Thank you! For another way of saying Occupy scares the hell out of one percenters. (nt) (nr) T S Justly Feb 2012 #128

Mitt is actually helping OWS. I make it a point to say this to most people .... L0oniX Feb 2012 #130

Give it time. Rex Feb 2012 #138

It already has changed the political discussion in this country ~ Hellooooo??????? jillan Feb 2012 #139

oh yay. psyops. Matariki Feb 2012 #140

! hootinholler Feb 2012 #150

lol Matariki Feb 2012 #189

They have already made a difference Marrah_G Feb 2012 #151

HAHAHA... Fear fascisthunter Feb 2012 #153

Everybody all together now... backscatter712 Feb 2012 #154

OWS has captured my heart and mind. barbtries Feb 2012 #156

Thank you for your concern. aquart Feb 2012 #157

I, sir, do not belong to whatever you think is "us." JackRiddler Feb 2012 #159

... Blue_In_AK Feb 2012 #169

I think the flag burning has revealed ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #171

Typical status quo BS. nt TBF Feb 2012 #175

Flamebait. tabasco Feb 2012 #192

+1 gazillion and furthermore- BeHereNow Feb 2012 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2012 #209

Brent I coud have used this post of yours nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #217

Looks like you got a resounding thrashing Kaleko Feb 2012 #222

Wow over 400 replies unionworks Feb 2012 #226

What thread are you referring to? pintobean Feb 2012 #230

I'm sorry unionworks Feb 2012 #245

Haha... DUzy! fascisthunter Feb 2012 #277

Ummmm perhaps you are talking about OWS on another planet? Zalatix Feb 2012 #227

"I hope to be proved wrong." marmar Feb 2012 #233

See here: morningfog Feb 2012 #236

For the real message unionworks Feb 2012 #246

opps! my mistake unionworks Feb 2012 #251

Most on DU claiming to want a more progressive society. bluestate10 Feb 2012 #249

Agreed, scared shitless of things getting worse, they vote for incrementally more conservative Bonobo Feb 2012 #250

well done! fascisthunter Feb 2012 #278

How silly of us to think that Republicans using OWS language to attack each other-- eridani Feb 2012 #252

Us? Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #254

Obviously written by someone who's only exposer to OWS is what has been in the MSM donheld Feb 2012 #260

OWS is not a leaderless group. Everybody is a leader. donheld Feb 2012 #261

. donheld Feb 2012 #262

I know that my opinion is in the minority, but ... Tx4obama Feb 2012 #267

There's actually more tradition to this than one might think. ellisonz Feb 2012 #301

OWS's enemies are not relevant as a movement. mmonk Feb 2012 #268

You got that right! Rex Feb 2012 #283

Before the ink was dry on the Declaration of Independence Generic Other Feb 2012 #273

+1 ellisonz Feb 2012 #282