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118. The real question for the pro-gun/hate Great Equalizer people is the reverse of what you say

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Mon Mar 25, 2013, 05:31 PM

Mar 2013

In 2016, would standing together, the democratic party put in their agenda the getting rid of bullets in the street, work with the NRA to elect Jeb Bush against the democratic platform that wishes to do such?

One knows where Joe Biden stands. Would you work against Joe if he is on the national ticket in 2016 and Jeb Bush or Rand Paul is the republican nominee?

Is your gun worth more to you than any other thing in the entire country?
Is your bullet worth more to you than any other thing in the entire country?

Just how important is that gun/bullet to you?

Because come ballot time, there indeed are only 2 choices (unless those are happy with the way 2000 went, when there were 3 choices.)

what are you really standing for, if you fall for the NRA line and bullet/gun trump everything?

imho

all the other is just plain bull.

(and NO President Obama/HillaryClinton fan is going to vote against them and vote for Jeb or
Rubio or Ryan).

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One is either for NRA/LaPierre/Guns, or for Mike Bloomberg/anti-gun side. NO middle ground. [View all] graham4anything Mar 2013 OP

I don't like the NRA. I don't like Bloomberg. NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #1

Until I started mentioning Mayor Lindsay, not one person here ever did. graham4anything Mar 2013 #7

So, everything he supports is now suspect? baldguy Mar 2013 #8

So talk about "stop and frisk" then. Who needs that pesky Fourth Amendment, right? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #11

And that has to do with gun control....how? baldguy Mar 2013 #13

OH... that's right. They're stopping blacks and latinos in a search for cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #14

You're admitting it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. baldguy Mar 2013 #15

Which is exactly why Guilt by Association is a logical fallacy. stevenleser Mar 2013 #125

Don't force people to choose... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #2

Simpletons allow propaganda to make their choices for them. As you apparently have. baldguy Mar 2013 #10

Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #25

A well-respected DUer was reduced to foaming at the mouth when debating me on gun control derby378 Mar 2013 #46

Yeah, But You're The One Who Claimed The NRA's Harlon Carter Was Worthy Of Respect. Paladin Mar 2013 #75

Mr Benchley ??? michreject Mar 2013 #86

Not saying who it was... derby378 Mar 2013 #111

I don't want to know michreject Mar 2013 #131

You could say progress or no progress olddots Mar 2013 #99

Violence is part of human nature... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #141

So: Entire Rooms Full Of Dead First Graders And Teachers Are OK With You..... Paladin Mar 2013 #149

Wow, two insults in the same thread. Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #105

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #115

This issue actually expands and overlaps with other issues. HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #3

BULLSHIT! There is ALWAYS a "middle ground". jazzimov Mar 2013 #4

I'm with Mike all the way. LaPierre wants to say Bloomberg can't buy America but we Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #5

Your problem is not so much the NRA which only has 4.5 million members ... spin Mar 2013 #74

Membership rolls walk, PAC contributions talk.. LanternWaste Mar 2013 #108

In the end, votes at the ballot box count most. ... spin Mar 2013 #117

Your headline: Sounds Rovian. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #132

Perhaps if NRA spent as much on educating gun owners on operating them safely and Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #124

I would support public service announcements by the NRA to educate gun owners. ... spin Mar 2013 #126

I must praise you on being a sensible and safe gun owner. If I were to bet you probably Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #128

Yes, I do store my firearms in a safes or lock boxes. ... spin Mar 2013 #130

What ridiculous bullshit (nt) Recursion Mar 2013 #6

Fuck the NRA and fuck Michael Bloomberg too. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #9

To all the gun nuts saying "Fuck Bloomberg": baldguy Mar 2013 #12

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #51

FBI statistics state that gun violence in our nation has dropped to levels last seen ... spin Mar 2013 #120

Well, if I can only pick one I pick Bloomberg. I think he's an ass but MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #16

Absolute nonsense. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #17

I can't wait to see the new guns with cup holders large enough for a big gulp. JVS Mar 2013 #18

Oh bullshit!! Nice channeling of GWB and his "you're either with us or against us", though.... Ghost in the Machine Mar 2013 #19

Nah, I'd be happy if they both went to a desert island somewhere. Kurska Mar 2013 #20

This OP is a great example of what's wrong with the world ZOB Mar 2013 #21

A-freakin'-MEN. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #101

To all the pro-NRA people, anti-Mike- you had your chance to do something, you blew it graham4anything Mar 2013 #22

Fuck your right wing idol. Union Scribe Mar 2013 #24

+1 NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #28

You're on the side of Wayne LaPierre, the NRA and the Tea Party. Who's your RW idol? baldguy Mar 2013 #63

That's a load of logically-challenged horseshit. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #69

So, it's now OK on DU to criticize a well-respected liberal politician by spreading RW lies? baldguy Mar 2013 #76

Bloomberg is a well respected liberal politician? premium Mar 2013 #79

Listen to the wind... derby378 Mar 2013 #85

Smell the wind...Phewwww! Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #133

Progressives love Mike Bloomberg Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #152

No, it's OK to criticize an overreaching, nascent totalitarian plutocrat. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #81

Bloomberg is the 7th richest person in America pintobean Mar 2013 #116

Look, they are having a sale The Straight Story Mar 2013 #26

I would have missed this thread if it weren't for hootinholler Mar 2013 #31

Well, glad I am not alone in my observations (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2013 #32

Authoritarian much? Blue_In_AK Mar 2013 #113

I like Michael Bloomberg. He would make a great VP for President Hillary Clinton. Generation_Why Mar 2013 #23

Yeah, then he could expand his pipoman Mar 2013 #62

One is either FOR "you're with us or against us" or AGAINST "you're with us or against us" Richardo Mar 2013 #27

This statement is false. JVS Mar 2013 #29

One is either a fanatical ideologue or an ideological fanatic-no middle ground. hobbit709 Mar 2013 #30

Of course there is a middle ground hack89 Mar 2013 #33

I am for civil liberties. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #34

Mike Bloomberg is WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG graham4anything Mar 2013 #35

Infinite beatitude of existence! It is; and there is nothing else beside It. derby378 Mar 2013 #49

LOL pipoman Mar 2013 #70

It's not supposed to be about mike aikoaiko Mar 2013 #129

You workin' for the other side? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #135

Joe Biden is on our side. OOPS. Michelle Obama is on our side. graham4anything Mar 2013 #143

Don't get on the other side of the door from Joe. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #147

I would be very happy (100% so) if Biden makes history being VP for a 3rd/4th term graham4anything Mar 2013 #148

I like my car. I like to drive on roads where the drivers and vehicles are regulated. BlueStreak Mar 2013 #36

No Gabby Giffords Then 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #37

The hatred of him shows he's WINNNNNNNNNNNNNINGGGGGGGG! That makes me feeling groovy! graham4anything Mar 2013 #38

Level of hatred is your Approval Meter 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #41

Do I smell pizza? derby378 Mar 2013 #50

I now the NRA folks hate him, as Doris Day sang "Que Sera Sera". graham4anything Mar 2013 #53

You're mistaken. premium Mar 2013 #56

I love Trayvon Martin and despise Zimmerman and his obsesison with guns and bullets. graham4anything Mar 2013 #58

? premium Mar 2013 #59

I can easily imagine that spiel... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #65

That's what that reminds me of. premium Mar 2013 #67

So clever and funny. Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #106

I thought so too. premium Mar 2013 #107

Calling a DUer crazy eh? Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #104

I hope that your persona here is performance art RZM Mar 2013 #72

If it IS performance art...? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #136

Does anybody (besides you) actually like Mike Bloomberg? RZM Mar 2013 #39

There's a few others, premium Mar 2013 #40

I don't even mean here, but in the country at large RZM Mar 2013 #42

I'd have to agree with you, premium Mar 2013 #44

Mike Bloomberg.... av8r1998 Mar 2013 #43

Don't forget he sent his NYPD goons to violently crush the OWS last year. nt. premium Mar 2013 #45

My Bad av8r1998 Mar 2013 #47

My cat's couldn't care either way. Remmah2 Mar 2013 #48

I opposed the NRA when Bloomie was some Republican money man so he does not own that issue Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #52

Elizabeth Warren voted for Reagan and Bush41 and was a republican.Betcha didn't know that. graham4anything Mar 2013 #57

Bloomberg reminds me of this guy. premium Mar 2013 #60

I'm not interested in your divide and conquer tactics. bluedigger Mar 2013 #61

Elizabeth Warren is now on the side of Mike Bloomberg on the gun issue. graham4anything Mar 2013 #64

So what? bluedigger Mar 2013 #66

Yeah, so? premium Mar 2013 #71

Wait, so now you like her? Union Scribe Mar 2013 #73

So why did he support her *opponent* in the election? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #83

Because he backed gun control and she didn't back then. Which is why she now switched. graham4anything Mar 2013 #84

By your standards, Richard Nixon was a better president than George McGovern would have been. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #87

I supported McG.however, anybody knew he would never win. He was a horrible politician graham4anything Mar 2013 #89

Why weren't you willing to throw McG. under the bus like you were for Warren? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #90

I support Joe Biden-Mike Bloomberg-Gabbie Giffords and Barack Obama on guns graham4anything Mar 2013 #92

Are you going to support primary challenges to pro-gun Dems in red states? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #94

yup. May all the winners be anti-gun. only 17 change is needed graham4anything Mar 2013 #95

It will be very interesting to revisit that post in December 2014-bookmarked. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #97

And if they lose in the general elections in those states/districts? "Too bad, so sad"? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #98

And what will you say if they're replace by RW repubs? premium Mar 2013 #103

This is where your line of thinking av8r1998 Mar 2013 #109

Post #38 Told you about Gifford. 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #96

There are other options. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #110

Kindly take your support of, and apologias for, Republican enablers elsewhere. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #88

After careful study of friendly iconoclast's post, premium Mar 2013 #91

It's more of the same "If you're not with us, you're supporting the terraists" horseshit. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #93

Fallacy of excluded middle. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #54

Basically the same as the "false choice" yellowcanine Mar 2013 #102

You found that caya in a typhoon? Congratulations! Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #138

What? lol ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #140

I'm against both of them madville Mar 2013 #55

W, I thought you retired? One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #68

I swear I recognize this debate style. NCTraveler Mar 2013 #77

Same here, and I can't place it either....oh wait, I got it! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2013 #134

what a steaming pile. n/t cali Mar 2013 #78

screw that. Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #80

In a similar vein... sarisataka Mar 2013 #82

I believe pipi_k Mar 2013 #100

As Kristofferson sang "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" graham4anything Mar 2013 #119

A couple of points... pipi_k Mar 2013 #142

Thanks for proving my point. It 100% can be done. graham4anything Mar 2013 #145

Ridiculous. Blue_In_AK Mar 2013 #112

I have nothing but contempt for La Pierre and the NRA, but I am FOR... hlthe2b Mar 2013 #114

The real question for the pro-gun/hate Great Equalizer people is the reverse of what you say graham4anything Mar 2013 #118

I will not support any politician that attempts to restrict my right to keep and bear arms. Llewlladdwr Mar 2013 #121

That's an insane point of view. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #122

Do you think Joe Biden is an extremist? Do you think Michelle Obama an extremist? graham4anything Mar 2013 #123

The point-of-view is extreme. I don't care who posits it. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #127

Which point of view? BTW, there is beauty in President Obama's point of view on everything. graham4anything Mar 2013 #146

It is a strange character you play here. tritsofme Mar 2013 #137

If we could get Michael Bloomberg to somehow regulate the amount of stupid shit that you post. I'd Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #139

One is either a black-and-white thinker, or sees everything as nuance. There is no middle ground. DLnyc Mar 2013 #144

I'd be more inclined to disagree with you were it not for the responses. Robb Mar 2013 #150

That is what happens when you venture out of your new isolation chamber hack89 Mar 2013 #151

I hope you won't take offense when I laugh. Robb Mar 2013 #153

I certainly wouldn't expect you to answer a hard question. hack89 Mar 2013 #154

You beg for us to understand your nuanced opinion, but choose to deal in absolutes yourself. Robb Mar 2013 #155

Thinking OWS was ineffective is not the same as supporting Bloomberg. hack89 Mar 2013 #156