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In reply to the discussion: One is either for NRA/LaPierre/Guns, or for Mike Bloomberg/anti-gun side. NO middle ground. [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)120. FBI statistics state that gun violence in our nation has dropped to levels last seen ...
40 years ago.
Gun violence: Surprise, it's not rising
January 19, 2013
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According to FBI data, the number of murders committed by firearms in this country is falling, not rising.
In 2011, the latest year for which full data are available, 8,583 people were killed by firearms. That is down from 10,225 in 2006. Murders committed with rifles, which includes "assault rifles" such as the Bushmaster AR-15, fell from 453 in 2007 to 323 in 2011.
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Overall, the murder and violent crime rates in the United States have been declining for decades. Citing FBI data, New York University professor Patrick Egan wrote last July, "we are a less violent nation now than we've been in over forty years. In 2010, violent crime rates hit a low not seen since 1972; murder rates sunk to levels last experienced during the Kennedy Administration."
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The idea that the United States is experiencing a rising tide of gun violence is simply false. That does not mean that we should pursue no legislative actions to curb mass killings. But those actions should be guided by facts, not emotional impulses.
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130119/OPINION01/130129954/1007/news02
In Florida gun violence is at an all time low.
Florida firearm violence hits record low; concealed gun permits up
Posted: 01/07/2013
In the so-called Gunshine State, home to the most gun permits in the country, firearm violence has fallen to the lowest point on record.
As state and national legislators consider gun control laws in the wake of last month's Connecticut school shooting, Florida finds itself in a gun violence depression. The Firearm-involved violent crime rate has dropped 33 percent between 2007 and 2011, while the number of issued concealed weapons permits rose nearly 90 percent during that time, state records show.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/florida-firearm-violence-hits-record-low-concealed-gun-permits-up
Much of the gun violence in our nation is the result of turf warfare between competing drug gangs. It's hard to blame honest and responsible gun owners for the failure of our War on Drugs. Most of the shooters in recent massacres had waved red flags that a more responsive mental health care system could have addressed.
Gun owners would like to see gun violence decrease even further but few gun control advocates or those in the media have any interest in our ideas. It obvious to us that our current laws should be better enforced and can be improved. We also support passing new laws if they will actually accomplish something beside banning certain firearms because of their appearance.
Gun owners are often insulted and if we are ever to make headway in reducing gun violence, both sides of the issue need to show a little more respect for those who disagree with them.
I will point out to you that it isn't so much that our plan hasn't worked but that it hasn't been tried. A new assault weapons ban is not the only solution to gun violence in our nation and its a poorly conceived idea that would accomplish little.
If there was a movement to reduce traffic deaths caused by speeding motorists, would it make sense to demand that Corvettes and Mustangs be banned?
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One is either for NRA/LaPierre/Guns, or for Mike Bloomberg/anti-gun side. NO middle ground. [View all]
graham4anything
Mar 2013
OP
So talk about "stop and frisk" then. Who needs that pesky Fourth Amendment, right?
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2013
#11
OH... that's right. They're stopping blacks and latinos in a search for
cherokeeprogressive
Mar 2013
#14
Simpletons allow propaganda to make their choices for them. As you apparently have.
baldguy
Mar 2013
#10
A well-respected DUer was reduced to foaming at the mouth when debating me on gun control
derby378
Mar 2013
#46
Yeah, But You're The One Who Claimed The NRA's Harlon Carter Was Worthy Of Respect.
Paladin
Mar 2013
#75
I'm with Mike all the way. LaPierre wants to say Bloomberg can't buy America but we
Thinkingabout
Mar 2013
#5
Perhaps if NRA spent as much on educating gun owners on operating them safely and
Thinkingabout
Mar 2013
#124
I would support public service announcements by the NRA to educate gun owners. ...
spin
Mar 2013
#126
I must praise you on being a sensible and safe gun owner. If I were to bet you probably
Thinkingabout
Mar 2013
#128
FBI statistics state that gun violence in our nation has dropped to levels last seen ...
spin
Mar 2013
#120
Oh bullshit!! Nice channeling of GWB and his "you're either with us or against us", though....
Ghost in the Machine
Mar 2013
#19
To all the pro-NRA people, anti-Mike- you had your chance to do something, you blew it
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#22
You're on the side of Wayne LaPierre, the NRA and the Tea Party. Who's your RW idol?
baldguy
Mar 2013
#63
So, it's now OK on DU to criticize a well-respected liberal politician by spreading RW lies?
baldguy
Mar 2013
#76
No, it's OK to criticize an overreaching, nascent totalitarian plutocrat.
Lizzie Poppet
Mar 2013
#81
I like Michael Bloomberg. He would make a great VP for President Hillary Clinton.
Generation_Why
Mar 2013
#23
One is either FOR "you're with us or against us" or AGAINST "you're with us or against us"
Richardo
Mar 2013
#27
One is either a fanatical ideologue or an ideological fanatic-no middle ground.
hobbit709
Mar 2013
#30
I would be very happy (100% so) if Biden makes history being VP for a 3rd/4th term
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#148
I like my car. I like to drive on roads where the drivers and vehicles are regulated.
BlueStreak
Mar 2013
#36
The hatred of him shows he's WINNNNNNNNNNNNNINGGGGGGGG! That makes me feeling groovy!
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#38
I love Trayvon Martin and despise Zimmerman and his obsesison with guns and bullets.
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#58
I opposed the NRA when Bloomie was some Republican money man so he does not own that issue
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2013
#52
Elizabeth Warren voted for Reagan and Bush41 and was a republican.Betcha didn't know that.
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#57
Elizabeth Warren is now on the side of Mike Bloomberg on the gun issue.
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#64
Because he backed gun control and she didn't back then. Which is why she now switched.
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#84
By your standards, Richard Nixon was a better president than George McGovern would have been.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2013
#87
I supported McG.however, anybody knew he would never win. He was a horrible politician
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#89
Why weren't you willing to throw McG. under the bus like you were for Warren?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2013
#90
I support Joe Biden-Mike Bloomberg-Gabbie Giffords and Barack Obama on guns
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#92
Are you going to support primary challenges to pro-gun Dems in red states?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2013
#94
It will be very interesting to revisit that post in December 2014-bookmarked.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2013
#97
And if they lose in the general elections in those states/districts? "Too bad, so sad"?
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2013
#98
Kindly take your support of, and apologias for, Republican enablers elsewhere.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2013
#88
It's more of the same "If you're not with us, you're supporting the terraists" horseshit.
friendly_iconoclast
Mar 2013
#93
As Kristofferson sang "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#119
The real question for the pro-gun/hate Great Equalizer people is the reverse of what you say
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#118
I will not support any politician that attempts to restrict my right to keep and bear arms.
Llewlladdwr
Mar 2013
#121
Do you think Joe Biden is an extremist? Do you think Michelle Obama an extremist?
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#123
Which point of view? BTW, there is beauty in President Obama's point of view on everything.
graham4anything
Mar 2013
#146
If we could get Michael Bloomberg to somehow regulate the amount of stupid shit that you post. I'd
Guy Whitey Corngood
Mar 2013
#139
One is either a black-and-white thinker, or sees everything as nuance. There is no middle ground.
DLnyc
Mar 2013
#144