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Octafish

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57. Funny how fast the media moved on.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 08:51 PM
Mar 2013

Remember how the twin recounts by the two, independent media consortiums indicated Gore won, no matter which way the votes were counted, except the way they originally were "counted," sans overvotes?



Yes, Bush v. Gore Did Steal the Election

By Jonathan Chait
6/25/12 at 12:41 PM

EXCERPT...

The myth that Bush would have won had the recount proceeded dates back to a recount conducted by a consortium of newspapers that examined the ballots. The consortium found that “If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin.” But the newspapers decided that this was not how the counties would have actually tabulated the votes. By the variable standards they would have used, the papers reported, Bush would have prevailed. Thus the national news reported a slew of headlines asserting that Bush would have prevailed.

The conclusion was erroneous. The newspapers assumed that the counties would only have looked at “undervotes” — ballots that did not register any votes for president — and ignored “overvotes” — ballots that registered more than one vote for president. An overvote would be a ballot in which the machine mistakenly picked up a second vote for president, or in which a voter both marked a box and wrote in the name of the same candidate. A hand recount in which an examiner is judging the “intent of the voter” would turn those ballots that were originally discarded into countable votes.

Counting overvotes in which the intent of the voter was clear would have resulted in Gore winning the recount. And subsequent reporting by the Orlando Sentinel and Michael Isikoff found that the recount, had it proceeded, almost certainly would have examined overvotes. (Most of the links have been lost over time, but you can find references here and here.)

The newspapers’ error has to be understood in the context of the time. After Bush prevailed in the recount, there was massive pressure to retroactively justify the processes that led to his victory, in the general spirit of restoring confidence in the system. In the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, that pressure intensified to the point where it was commonly opined that the newspapers ought to entirely cancel the recount (scheduled to come out in November 2001, at the height of the rally-around-Bush moment). In that atmosphere, the newspapers grasped for an interpretation that would both reassure most Americans of what they wanted to believe and avoid placing themselves in opposition to a powerful and bipartisan rallying around Bush that was then at its apogee.

Now, the actual effect of the recount is obviously something of a side issue when assessing the actions of the Court. Nobody knew the outcome of the recount, only that it threatened to make Al Gore president, and stopping it would guarantee Bush’s victory. That is the environment in which five Republican-appointed justices essentially invented a one-time-only ruling to stop the recount. And that’s the relevant history in which to understand the Court’s decision to make up its own new legal theories about the regulation of the health-care market now.

SOURCE:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/06/yes-bush-v-gore-did-steal-the-election.html



The part that gets me maddest, are the disenfranchised voters Jebthro and Catherine Harris created out of thin air by dumping people with the same name as a felon or people who were from poor, working class and certain "minority" districts, what people call "Democrats."

We won't forgot. Nor will anyone who know us, byronius.

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That was some serious smoke & mirrors there Blue Owl Mar 2013 #1
If there had only been one decent journalist, he/she would have caught and reported it at the time. Scuba Mar 2013 #17
Integrity. Octafish Mar 2013 #38
As one who has no money but lots of integrity, I have to say he was right. n/t deutsey Mar 2013 #82
Excellent point. Smells sulfurous, like a spirit of coup d'etat. Octafish Mar 2013 #85
Sure, but how do you really feel? xtraxritical Mar 2013 #95
Glad you asked. Remember when Bush searched for WMDs in the Oval Office? Octafish Mar 2013 #101
I lived thru it too, since Vietnam. I knew all the reasons to not go there and Hans Blix xtraxritical Mar 2013 #112
But you were supposed to 'move on' or the 'good of the country'! sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #2
In fact, I've been FURIOUS since Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish Mar 2013 #43
That family needs to be thoroughly investigated, even those who are no longer alive. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #73
Major breakage. Impossible to forget. byronius Mar 2013 #3
Funny how fast the media moved on. Octafish Mar 2013 #57
NPR.. grahampuba Mar 2013 #90
It was indeed a dog and pony show and the joke's been on us ever since. HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #4
The funniest thing in retrospect was Jim Baker.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #15
A profound observation malaise Mar 2013 #64
This deserves its own thread! nt raccoon Mar 2013 #41
What raccoon said. Octafish Mar 2013 #58
You are so right about the Election of 1980 Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #66
FYI, most of these rentamob folks are on twitter. I looked them up 2-3 months ago when I stevenleser Mar 2013 #5
Thanks for the heads-up. Octafish Mar 2013 #59
If you end up doing it, let me know. I will want to retweet some of the exchanges! stevenleser Mar 2013 #92
Well yes, me too, but I've had to let it go frazzled Mar 2013 #6
"don't obsess on the past" zappaman Mar 2013 #7
"don't obsess on the past" AlbertCat Mar 2013 #39
Why obsess? zappaman Mar 2013 #40
When you can watch Honey Boo Boo?!!? AlbertCat Mar 2013 #46
EUREKA! BobbyBoring Mar 2013 #48
I agree! zappaman Mar 2013 #50
You won't believe this, but after all they hype, that's the first time I've ever loudsue Mar 2013 #49
Same here.... llmart Mar 2013 #87
In a masochistic moment, I googled on the name: 'Honey Boo-boo'....... LongTomH Mar 2013 #110
Having watched that clip AsahinaKimi Mar 2013 #109
It's way worse now. zappaman Mar 2013 #113
From what I have seen AsahinaKimi Mar 2013 #114
Nope. zappaman Mar 2013 #115
This only is denied to God: the power to undo the past. Octafish Mar 2013 #60
May the children, grandchildren, and all other descendants erronis Mar 2013 #97
The begining of the end libodem Mar 2013 #8
that's how I see it too KT2000 Mar 2013 #10
yep libodem Mar 2013 #12
Ditto here. Kahuna Mar 2013 #42
You said it, libodem. What's the opposite of 'Cui bono'? Octafish Mar 2013 #61
cool libodem Mar 2013 #72
I have no hope. I see no future. n/t Hotler Mar 2013 #9
Beethoven Octafish Mar 2013 #36
I still haven't forgiven hfojvt Mar 2013 #11
At the time, I blamed him, too. Octafish Mar 2013 #67
+1 SunSeeker Mar 2013 #75
I still have the picture in my mind of ole' No. 7... louis-t Mar 2013 #13
Roger Morse, bully. Octafish Mar 2013 #70
What a revelatory use of phrase! chade Mar 2013 #119
Let's not forget the Florida Legislature that was going to ignore the election results. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #14
me too noiretextatique Mar 2013 #16
Same here. MuseRider Mar 2013 #18
I second your fury - Here Here KauaiK Mar 2013 #19
Not if you believe what she was saying in her recent interview with Rachel Maddow beerandjesus Mar 2013 #20
The beginning of a long string of disasters. drm604 Mar 2013 #21
You know where I'm at there. Cleita Mar 2013 #22
**** NCarolinawoman Mar 2013 #28
Hundreds of thousands dead because of it Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #23
ME TOOOOOOOOO! I'm so tired of being told that all of the votes are never counted in any election Liberal In Red State Mar 2013 #24
I still think of the "Clinton surplus" squandered. NCarolinawoman Mar 2013 #25
And they all rode off into the sunset and one of them rumor says has taken up Cleita Mar 2013 #32
Set up, knocked down and JEB Mar 2013 #26
I will never get over it. MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #27
It was a travesty ramapo Mar 2013 #29
whatever happened to these tools? Anyone know? nt Javaman Mar 2013 #30
DUer stevenleser in Reply No. 5 says a couple are on Twitter. Octafish Mar 2013 #62
Straight up corporate coup d'etat. raouldukelives Mar 2013 #31
"Stand up. Keep fighting." grasswire Mar 2013 #33
NO!!! KINGS!!!! NEVER! god dammit to hell. NEVER FORGET! & TELL EVERYONE at ANY patrice Mar 2013 #34
The day America died AlbertCat Mar 2013 #35
Caught you looking back. Shame. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #37
I would settle for a tiny shread of justice olddots Mar 2013 #44
Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #45
Thank you, Octafish. It still freaks me out every time I think about it. loudsue Mar 2013 #47
And I will go to my death furious over the selection. nt Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #51
Nov.2000 a month ahead of the recount and the SCOTUS 12/12/2000 graham4anything Mar 2013 #52
no bush v Gore = Botany Mar 2013 #53
Normally I Don't Like to Look Backwards On the Road Mar 2013 #54
Yes. My anger still burns as well. It is one of the things I will never really get over, I think... ms liberty Mar 2013 #55
I have this wacky theory that young people in their twenties are angry too. it underlies what they do. Kurovski Mar 2013 #56
Picture of the theft of uncounted ballots here: annabanana Mar 2013 #63
Never, ever! mimi85 Mar 2013 #78
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2013 #65
How ironic that an actual part of the LEGAL election process enrages some people more than this... Bonobo Mar 2013 #68
So true, but I've always suspected that the 'Nader' nonsense was an official ploy intended to sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #93
There's no way I'll ever get over it. Thinking about it right now Zorra Mar 2013 #69
The United States of America's last gasp. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #71
My outrage over that event never diminishes. Rex Mar 2013 #74
Justice Stevens appropriately condemned the partisan Bush v Gore majority for its unlawful decision Cliff Arnebeck Mar 2013 #76
Bush ll should be in a cellar right about now, Jamaal510 Mar 2013 #77
Since then we have found out via computer experts that the vote was hacked..... and that midnight Mar 2013 #79
I've gotten over the anger part of my grief for the demise of our Constitution lunatica Mar 2013 #80
I will never "get over it" deutsey Mar 2013 #81
For longer that I've been alive conservatives have not 'gotten over' 1960... JHB Mar 2013 #83
If the 2000 selection was treason demwing Mar 2013 #84
You're missing one. The media for whoring it up for them. nt valerief Mar 2013 #86
Hear, hear. Neither I, nor the world, will ever fully recover. wakemewhenitsover Mar 2013 #88
I will never, EVER get over it. Credit to G.W. and the Supremes for making me a Yella Dawg Dem. trof Mar 2013 #89
If our Republic is headed for oblivion, the Supreme Court decision marked its beginning. olegramps Mar 2013 #91
And all that followed rainy Mar 2013 #94
My Login name reflects my level of annoyance with the 2000 selection n/t Gore1FL Mar 2013 #96
Never going to forget and never going to forgive. Autumn Mar 2013 #98
Here, here! I'll never "get over it," HomeboyHombre Mar 2013 #99
Remember this great Q&A explainer Glaisne Mar 2013 #100
me too. Sputtering blind furious. librechik Mar 2013 #102
Traitorous, warmongering thugs seems such a descriptive term. May history either indepat Mar 2013 #103
Oh me too. . . . BigDemVoter Mar 2013 #104
I can still recall the feeling in my stomach when they pulled FL back,,,, benld74 Mar 2013 #105
WORST SUPREME COURT DECISION EVER!!!!!!! Initech Mar 2013 #106
Jack Nicholson as President James Dale in 'Mars Attacks' expressed the surreal moment... Octafish Mar 2013 #117
I am FURIOUS along with you. TfG Mar 2013 #107
It Was Usurpation and Sedition by the Supreme Court Wolf Frankula Mar 2013 #108
Nope, not angry anymore... cynatnite Mar 2013 #111
There's no statute of limitations on treason and murder... Octafish Mar 2013 #118
I want justice, too... cynatnite Mar 2013 #120
Thanks for this thread, Octafish! I don't intend to get over this either! LongTomH Mar 2013 #116
I'm also mildly miffed about the 1848 election, fredzachmane Mar 2013 #121
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