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In reply to the discussion: Don't know about you, but I'm still FURIOUS about Selection 2000. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)57. Funny how fast the media moved on.
Remember how the twin recounts by the two, independent media consortiums indicated Gore won, no matter which way the votes were counted, except the way they originally were "counted," sans overvotes?
Yes, Bush v. Gore Did Steal the Election
By Jonathan Chait
6/25/12 at 12:41 PM
EXCERPT...
The myth that Bush would have won had the recount proceeded dates back to a recount conducted by a consortium of newspapers that examined the ballots. The consortium found that If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin. But the newspapers decided that this was not how the counties would have actually tabulated the votes. By the variable standards they would have used, the papers reported, Bush would have prevailed. Thus the national news reported a slew of headlines asserting that Bush would have prevailed.
The conclusion was erroneous. The newspapers assumed that the counties would only have looked at undervotes ballots that did not register any votes for president and ignored overvotes ballots that registered more than one vote for president. An overvote would be a ballot in which the machine mistakenly picked up a second vote for president, or in which a voter both marked a box and wrote in the name of the same candidate. A hand recount in which an examiner is judging the intent of the voter would turn those ballots that were originally discarded into countable votes.
Counting overvotes in which the intent of the voter was clear would have resulted in Gore winning the recount. And subsequent reporting by the Orlando Sentinel and Michael Isikoff found that the recount, had it proceeded, almost certainly would have examined overvotes. (Most of the links have been lost over time, but you can find references here and here.)
The newspapers error has to be understood in the context of the time. After Bush prevailed in the recount, there was massive pressure to retroactively justify the processes that led to his victory, in the general spirit of restoring confidence in the system. In the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, that pressure intensified to the point where it was commonly opined that the newspapers ought to entirely cancel the recount (scheduled to come out in November 2001, at the height of the rally-around-Bush moment). In that atmosphere, the newspapers grasped for an interpretation that would both reassure most Americans of what they wanted to believe and avoid placing themselves in opposition to a powerful and bipartisan rallying around Bush that was then at its apogee.
Now, the actual effect of the recount is obviously something of a side issue when assessing the actions of the Court. Nobody knew the outcome of the recount, only that it threatened to make Al Gore president, and stopping it would guarantee Bushs victory. That is the environment in which five Republican-appointed justices essentially invented a one-time-only ruling to stop the recount. And thats the relevant history in which to understand the Courts decision to make up its own new legal theories about the regulation of the health-care market now.
SOURCE:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/06/yes-bush-v-gore-did-steal-the-election.html
The part that gets me maddest, are the disenfranchised voters Jebthro and Catherine Harris created out of thin air by dumping people with the same name as a felon or people who were from poor, working class and certain "minority" districts, what people call "Democrats."
We won't forgot. Nor will anyone who know us, byronius.
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If there had only been one decent journalist, he/she would have caught and reported it at the time.
Scuba
Mar 2013
#17
I lived thru it too, since Vietnam. I knew all the reasons to not go there and Hans Blix
xtraxritical
Mar 2013
#112
That family needs to be thoroughly investigated, even those who are no longer alive.
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#73
FYI, most of these rentamob folks are on twitter. I looked them up 2-3 months ago when I
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#5
If you end up doing it, let me know. I will want to retweet some of the exchanges!
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#92
You won't believe this, but after all they hype, that's the first time I've ever
loudsue
Mar 2013
#49
Let's not forget the Florida Legislature that was going to ignore the election results.
Spitfire of ATJ
Mar 2013
#14
Not if you believe what she was saying in her recent interview with Rachel Maddow
beerandjesus
Mar 2013
#20
ME TOOOOOOOOO! I'm so tired of being told that all of the votes are never counted in any election
Liberal In Red State
Mar 2013
#24
NO!!! KINGS!!!! NEVER! god dammit to hell. NEVER FORGET! & TELL EVERYONE at ANY
patrice
Mar 2013
#34
Yes. My anger still burns as well. It is one of the things I will never really get over, I think...
ms liberty
Mar 2013
#55
I have this wacky theory that young people in their twenties are angry too. it underlies what they do.
Kurovski
Mar 2013
#56
How ironic that an actual part of the LEGAL election process enrages some people more than this...
Bonobo
Mar 2013
#68
So true, but I've always suspected that the 'Nader' nonsense was an official ploy intended to
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#93
Justice Stevens appropriately condemned the partisan Bush v Gore majority for its unlawful decision
Cliff Arnebeck
Mar 2013
#76
Since then we have found out via computer experts that the vote was hacked..... and that
midnight
Mar 2013
#79
I've gotten over the anger part of my grief for the demise of our Constitution
lunatica
Mar 2013
#80
I will never, EVER get over it. Credit to G.W. and the Supremes for making me a Yella Dawg Dem.
trof
Mar 2013
#89
If our Republic is headed for oblivion, the Supreme Court decision marked its beginning.
olegramps
Mar 2013
#91
Traitorous, warmongering thugs seems such a descriptive term. May history either
indepat
Mar 2013
#103
Jack Nicholson as President James Dale in 'Mars Attacks' expressed the surreal moment...
Octafish
Mar 2013
#117