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83. For longer that I've been alive conservatives have not 'gotten over' 1960...

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 08:12 AM

Mar 2013

...even though their evidence seems to be simply invoking the name of Richard Daley, and ignoring the fact that no matter what may have happened in Chicago, if Nixon had won Illinois Kennedy still won the election: popular and electoral vote.

For half a century they have used it as justification for any and every action to win at all costs. Every dirty trick, every ratfuck, every act of voter suppression, everything period. Including everything that was done in Florida.

In 2000 the self-proclaimed "originalists" in the Supreme Court, whose stars had risen scorning "judicial activism" of previous courts, intervened to override a state supreme court and stop a recount that would determine a presidential election, using justifications so threadbare that even they noted it should not be used for precedent in future cases.

So yes, I'm still furious, and have every right to be. Far more than the conservatives' have for 1960, and they're still nursing that bottle.

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Don't know about you, but I'm still FURIOUS about Selection 2000. [View all] Octafish Mar 2013 OP

That was some serious smoke & mirrors there Blue Owl Mar 2013 #1

If there had only been one decent journalist, he/she would have caught and reported it at the time. Scuba Mar 2013 #17

Integrity. Octafish Mar 2013 #38

As one who has no money but lots of integrity, I have to say he was right. n/t deutsey Mar 2013 #82

Excellent point. Smells sulfurous, like a spirit of coup d'etat. Octafish Mar 2013 #85

Sure, but how do you really feel? xtraxritical Mar 2013 #95

Glad you asked. Remember when Bush searched for WMDs in the Oval Office? Octafish Mar 2013 #101

I lived thru it too, since Vietnam. I knew all the reasons to not go there and Hans Blix xtraxritical Mar 2013 #112

But you were supposed to 'move on' or the 'good of the country'! sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #2

In fact, I've been FURIOUS since Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish Mar 2013 #43

That family needs to be thoroughly investigated, even those who are no longer alive. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #73

Major breakage. Impossible to forget. byronius Mar 2013 #3

Funny how fast the media moved on. Octafish Mar 2013 #57

NPR.. grahampuba Mar 2013 #90

It was indeed a dog and pony show and the joke's been on us ever since. HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #4

The funniest thing in retrospect was Jim Baker.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #15

A profound observation malaise Mar 2013 #64

This deserves its own thread! nt raccoon Mar 2013 #41

What raccoon said. Octafish Mar 2013 #58

You are so right about the Election of 1980 Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #66

FYI, most of these rentamob folks are on twitter. I looked them up 2-3 months ago when I stevenleser Mar 2013 #5

Thanks for the heads-up. Octafish Mar 2013 #59

If you end up doing it, let me know. I will want to retweet some of the exchanges! stevenleser Mar 2013 #92

Well yes, me too, but I've had to let it go frazzled Mar 2013 #6

"don't obsess on the past" zappaman Mar 2013 #7

"don't obsess on the past" AlbertCat Mar 2013 #39

Why obsess? zappaman Mar 2013 #40

When you can watch Honey Boo Boo?!!? AlbertCat Mar 2013 #46

EUREKA! BobbyBoring Mar 2013 #48

I agree! zappaman Mar 2013 #50

You won't believe this, but after all they hype, that's the first time I've ever loudsue Mar 2013 #49

Same here.... llmart Mar 2013 #87

In a masochistic moment, I googled on the name: 'Honey Boo-boo'....... LongTomH Mar 2013 #110

Having watched that clip AsahinaKimi Mar 2013 #109

It's way worse now. zappaman Mar 2013 #113

From what I have seen AsahinaKimi Mar 2013 #114

Nope. zappaman Mar 2013 #115

This only is denied to God: the power to undo the past. Octafish Mar 2013 #60

May the children, grandchildren, and all other descendants erronis Mar 2013 #97

The begining of the end libodem Mar 2013 #8

that's how I see it too KT2000 Mar 2013 #10

yep libodem Mar 2013 #12

Ditto here. Kahuna Mar 2013 #42

You said it, libodem. What's the opposite of 'Cui bono'? Octafish Mar 2013 #61

cool libodem Mar 2013 #72

I have no hope. I see no future. n/t Hotler Mar 2013 #9

Beethoven Octafish Mar 2013 #36

I still haven't forgiven hfojvt Mar 2013 #11

At the time, I blamed him, too. Octafish Mar 2013 #67

+1 SunSeeker Mar 2013 #75

I still have the picture in my mind of ole' No. 7... louis-t Mar 2013 #13

Roger Morse, bully. Octafish Mar 2013 #70

What a revelatory use of phrase! chade Mar 2013 #119

Let's not forget the Florida Legislature that was going to ignore the election results. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #14

me too noiretextatique Mar 2013 #16

Same here. MuseRider Mar 2013 #18

I second your fury - Here Here KauaiK Mar 2013 #19

Not if you believe what she was saying in her recent interview with Rachel Maddow beerandjesus Mar 2013 #20

The beginning of a long string of disasters. drm604 Mar 2013 #21

You know where I'm at there. Cleita Mar 2013 #22

**** NCarolinawoman Mar 2013 #28

Hundreds of thousands dead because of it Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #23

ME TOOOOOOOOO! I'm so tired of being told that all of the votes are never counted in any election Liberal In Red State Mar 2013 #24

I still think of the "Clinton surplus" squandered. NCarolinawoman Mar 2013 #25

And they all rode off into the sunset and one of them rumor says has taken up Cleita Mar 2013 #32

Set up, knocked down and JEB Mar 2013 #26

I will never get over it. MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #27

It was a travesty ramapo Mar 2013 #29

whatever happened to these tools? Anyone know? nt Javaman Mar 2013 #30

DUer stevenleser in Reply No. 5 says a couple are on Twitter. Octafish Mar 2013 #62

Straight up corporate coup d'etat. raouldukelives Mar 2013 #31

"Stand up. Keep fighting." grasswire Mar 2013 #33

NO!!! KINGS!!!! NEVER! god dammit to hell. NEVER FORGET! & TELL EVERYONE at ANY patrice Mar 2013 #34

The day America died AlbertCat Mar 2013 #35

Caught you looking back. Shame. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #37

I would settle for a tiny shread of justice olddots Mar 2013 #44

Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #45

Thank you, Octafish. It still freaks me out every time I think about it. loudsue Mar 2013 #47

And I will go to my death furious over the selection. nt Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #51

Nov.2000 a month ahead of the recount and the SCOTUS 12/12/2000 graham4anything Mar 2013 #52

no bush v Gore = Botany Mar 2013 #53

Normally I Don't Like to Look Backwards On the Road Mar 2013 #54

Yes. My anger still burns as well. It is one of the things I will never really get over, I think... ms liberty Mar 2013 #55

I have this wacky theory that young people in their twenties are angry too. it underlies what they do. Kurovski Mar 2013 #56

Picture of the theft of uncounted ballots here: annabanana Mar 2013 #63

Never, ever! mimi85 Mar 2013 #78

K&R Solly Mack Mar 2013 #65

How ironic that an actual part of the LEGAL election process enrages some people more than this... Bonobo Mar 2013 #68

So true, but I've always suspected that the 'Nader' nonsense was an official ploy intended to sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #93

There's no way I'll ever get over it. Thinking about it right now Zorra Mar 2013 #69

The United States of America's last gasp. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #71

My outrage over that event never diminishes. Rex Mar 2013 #74

Justice Stevens appropriately condemned the partisan Bush v Gore majority for its unlawful decision Cliff Arnebeck Mar 2013 #76

Bush ll should be in a cellar right about now, Jamaal510 Mar 2013 #77

Since then we have found out via computer experts that the vote was hacked..... and that midnight Mar 2013 #79

I've gotten over the anger part of my grief for the demise of our Constitution lunatica Mar 2013 #80

I will never "get over it" deutsey Mar 2013 #81

For longer that I've been alive conservatives have not 'gotten over' 1960... JHB Mar 2013 #83

If the 2000 selection was treason demwing Mar 2013 #84

You're missing one. The media for whoring it up for them. nt valerief Mar 2013 #86

Hear, hear. Neither I, nor the world, will ever fully recover. wakemewhenitsover Mar 2013 #88

I will never, EVER get over it. Credit to G.W. and the Supremes for making me a Yella Dawg Dem. trof Mar 2013 #89

If our Republic is headed for oblivion, the Supreme Court decision marked its beginning. olegramps Mar 2013 #91

And all that followed rainy Mar 2013 #94

My Login name reflects my level of annoyance with the 2000 selection n/t Gore1FL Mar 2013 #96

Never going to forget and never going to forgive. Autumn Mar 2013 #98

Here, here! I'll never "get over it," HomeboyHombre Mar 2013 #99

Remember this great Q&A explainer Glaisne Mar 2013 #100

me too. Sputtering blind furious. librechik Mar 2013 #102

Traitorous, warmongering thugs seems such a descriptive term. May history either indepat Mar 2013 #103

Oh me too. . . . BigDemVoter Mar 2013 #104

I can still recall the feeling in my stomach when they pulled FL back,,,, benld74 Mar 2013 #105

WORST SUPREME COURT DECISION EVER!!!!!!! Initech Mar 2013 #106

Jack Nicholson as President James Dale in 'Mars Attacks' expressed the surreal moment... Octafish Mar 2013 #117

I am FURIOUS along with you. TfG Mar 2013 #107

It Was Usurpation and Sedition by the Supreme Court Wolf Frankula Mar 2013 #108

Nope, not angry anymore... cynatnite Mar 2013 #111

There's no statute of limitations on treason and murder... Octafish Mar 2013 #118

I want justice, too... cynatnite Mar 2013 #120

Thanks for this thread, Octafish! I don't intend to get over this either! LongTomH Mar 2013 #116

I'm also mildly miffed about the 1848 election, fredzachmane Mar 2013 #121