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158. Thank you, annabanana!

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 12:09 PM

Feb 2012

Great response; I'd been thinking the same thing as I read some of the preceding posts.

There are no statistics for those days of yore. And as we can plainly see from the failed experiment with prohibition in the 1930s and the ongoing lunacy of the WAR on drugs: making something illegal does not make it unavailable. There will always be purveyors of goods and services, legal or not. That's capitalism, after all!

The tragedy with making abortion illegal again is that it truly will take us back to the dark ages of loss of freedom, loss of fertility (and possibly other health) and loss of life for millions of women. And of course, poor women are most likely affected since any and all health services are a plane ride away for the rich.

It's sickening.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Are_grits_groceries Feb 2012 OP

any money i may have donated to susan g komen barbtries Feb 2012 #1

+1 Scuba Feb 2012 #144

I like Juanita Jean's response hobbit709 Feb 2012 #2

Brilliant JustAnotherGen Feb 2012 #3

Yep! Delphinus Feb 2012 #4

Might this make a good OP? JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #5

She's a Right Winger - anti LGBT as well. ehrnst Feb 2012 #9

K&R-ing this thread so this idea gets seen renate Feb 2012 #10

I just went to the PP website and donated.. ananda Feb 2012 #82

Just sent a donation in her name. Hope she enjoys all the cards! likesmountains 52 Feb 2012 #111

I'll do that ... and send some wire coat-hangers to Komen. TahitiNut Feb 2012 #156

I'm saving my pittance of donatable $$ for the DU heart drive for PP Kali Feb 2012 #165

Karen Handel is an outspoken anti-choicer obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #6

I have to correct the factual inaccuracies in your post Zebedeo Feb 2012 #11

My post was correct, you can use your stats however you wish obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #12

OK. In what other contexts would you consider 332,278 Zebedeo Feb 2012 #19

You're not reading before you post...she said abortions is one of the joeybee12 Feb 2012 #20

No. Zebedeo Feb 2012 #22

And? That's great. lapislzi Feb 2012 #24

Then at least YOU are intellectually honest Zebedeo Feb 2012 #30

Who is saying abortion is a 'wonderful' thing? Access to health care services, including abortion Fuzz Feb 2012 #40

Posters in this thread Zebedeo Feb 2012 #44

Who is being "intellectually dishonest" now? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #48

Who said that they want the number to increase? And, your quotes from your own post mislead. yardwork Feb 2012 #69

Post #39, for example Zebedeo Feb 2012 #84

Too chicken to address me directly. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #108

"They want the number to increase" trumad Feb 2012 #79

What's that got to do with saying people find abortions are a 'wonderful' thing? Fuzz Feb 2012 #101

It's because we don't care about the number obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #46

I can think of one reason. laundry_queen Feb 2012 #77

I'll take the bullet for you. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #83

Nothing that I have posted in this thread, or any thread on DU Zebedeo Feb 2012 #88

Ain't plausible deniability worderful? 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #95

You really can't stand the reality of that 3% of services obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #102

Or 15% of income, which is still a minor fraction. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #114

What I would celebrate... ananda Feb 2012 #80

In every context obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #26

SMH Mr Dixon Feb 2012 #62

In 2008, there were 1,211,500 abortions performed in all of the US REP Feb 2012 #70

Thank God they didn't have to resort to back alley butchers! annabanana Feb 2012 #119

Thank you, annabanana! Carolina Feb 2012 #158

Okay, so there are roughly 115,000 kids awaiting adoption in foster care right now justiceischeap Feb 2012 #150

From the same Wikipedia article... JHB Feb 2012 #13

Yup, I edited mine to add in the percentages obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #14

Pffft. Facts don't matter when there's an agenda to be pushed REP Feb 2012 #16

I'm not flush, but if it's going to PP? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #28

They are counting each refill of a birth control prescription as Zebedeo Feb 2012 #21

I'm not defensive at all obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #23

332,000 per year - "that isn't alot of abortions." Zebedeo Feb 2012 #27

I don't consider any number alot obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #29

If you don't consider any number a lot, Zebedeo Feb 2012 #33

What would you consider "a lot", "a lot" being a totally subjective number? uppityperson Feb 2012 #35

332,278 per year n/t Zebedeo Feb 2012 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author Bunny Feb 2012 #37

Well, I guess you should push for more abortions so that they are not so few and far between Zebedeo Feb 2012 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Bunny Feb 2012 #50

I like your answer. :) Spock_is_Skeptical Feb 2012 #134

Best answer ever Irishonly Feb 2012 #161

I'd think the relevant and honest way of stating it would be LanternWaste Feb 2012 #63

And what number would be acceptable to you? Gold Metal Flake Feb 2012 #38

Too few, actually. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #39

Wow -- that's alot of unborn possible babies obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #43

They must do them all to cover their abortion stats. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #45

I bet each testicle counts as one instance obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #47

How about 1,211,500 - the number of ALL abortions performed in the US in 2008? REP Feb 2012 #72

I think that's tragic Zebedeo Feb 2012 #85

Why? REP Feb 2012 #89

Because abortion Zebedeo Feb 2012 #93

Actually, abortion does not have negative emotional sequelae REP Feb 2012 #96

Thank you for posting all that. uppityperson Feb 2012 #121

I imagine that a back alley abortion causes emotional and physical trauma. In fact, sometimes death. yardwork Feb 2012 #127

You are correct. That is addressed in this study: REP Feb 2012 #138

and the adverse effects would be a lot less if they weren't constantly hounded by it. grantcart Feb 2012 #147

Except peer-reviewed studies show that isn't true obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #106

Where'd you get that information about the experience of the "baby's" mother and father? yardwork Feb 2012 #126

it depends on how you intend to decrease the number of abortions magical thyme Feb 2012 #157

Why is it tragic and heartbreaking? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #104

Are you going to support all Carolina Feb 2012 #160

Not all abortions involve a live fetus or "healthy birth" - but all abortions involve a live mother. haele Feb 2012 #76

Thoughtful post, but you conflate two different issues Zebedeo Feb 2012 #86

Two tenths of one percent of women got abortions last year a simple pattern Feb 2012 #103

nonsequitur Zebedeo Feb 2012 #109

They don't exist for you people after they're born, do they? a simple pattern Feb 2012 #117

No. You said 332,278 per year was "a lot", not 'not "very few"'. If you are going to claim you said uppityperson Feb 2012 #122

Actually, they aren't different issues. haele Feb 2012 #135

How many uteruses do you have? I'm betting the number is zero, or maybe one. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #53

YOU GO, WARREN!!! obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #54

Thank you. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #56

Jury is back Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #57

hey juror #2: MY opinion is that it's the woman's decision, period. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #60

Also, without getting too much into meta territory, this highlights one of the problems with Juries Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #66

Exactly n/t obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #67

That experience was educational; up to now, I thought you were notified if a post was alerted on. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #78

I did not "advocate an anti-choice agenda." I merely corrected an erroneous claim Zebedeo Feb 2012 #87

Out of 1,211,500 total abortions in the US (2008) - Planned Parenthood doesn't perform even half REP Feb 2012 #91

Well, it's not "very few." That was a whopper of a statement. Zebedeo Feb 2012 #94

Quibble over your notion if a quarter is a very few or not. REP Feb 2012 #97

What do you think of Skinner's initiative here? 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #99

irrelevant Zebedeo Feb 2012 #110

I also just contributed $25 to Planned Parenthood. Because of you and you alone. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #112

No shit. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #118

Yeah! Let's contribute, man! For Zebedeo! Hallelujah! Praise the FSM and Dawkins who is His prophet! 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #120

What do you think of it? Not in relation to this thread. uppityperson Feb 2012 #123

Nope, my claim was true -- 3% keeps staring you in the face obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #107

Right. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #116

In old DU, your post would probably have been deleted. This is a much better outcome. yardwork Feb 2012 #129

BTW, I am not the one Zebedeo Feb 2012 #140

Well, that's rather rude. But I have a thick skin and am willing to forgive and forget. Zebedeo Feb 2012 #90

If someone finds a gun has become dependent upon their body to survive... REP Feb 2012 #92

Rudeness 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #113

I don't care if you think it's "rude". I'm sick as fuck of fucking anti-choicers. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #115

You didn't answer the question about women who have had hysterectomies. Zebedeo Feb 2012 #128

The MAJOR thing you are forgetting is that making abortion illegal will NOT prevent abortions. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #132

Okay. To start, "Opinion" can mean several different things. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #142

You answered two questions Zebedeo Feb 2012 #143

Here's a question for you.... Violet_Crumble Feb 2012 #145

You're not listening to me. But OK; I'll let you define the terms of the debate and ..wait, what? Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #166

Oh my obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #130

...DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!! We have a winner Spock_is_Skeptical Feb 2012 #137

We have a winner, folks! proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #100

Oh damn a simple pattern Feb 2012 #105

I gotta agree with you there, Warren. MADem Feb 2012 #146

Way to go! Irishonly Feb 2012 #162

Are you going to lecture us about the "holocaust of the unborn" now, too? PVnRT Feb 2012 #58

IMO Mr Dixon Feb 2012 #64

You are 100% right obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #68

Document or retract. REP Feb 2012 #71

No documentation of this spurious claim. Not surprised at all. REP Feb 2012 #98

Where did you get that information from? Link please. Thank you for showing it's not just made up uppityperson Feb 2012 #124

I Googled and found out where that info came from obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #131

Probably wouldn't. "tragic and heartbreaking" indeed. uppityperson Feb 2012 #133

Each refill of a birth control prescription prevents an unwanted pregnancy. yardwork Feb 2012 #125

Of course I do. Zebedeo Feb 2012 #139

This is 100% not true, and you haven't documented it as asked obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #151

"This is done for PR purposes in order to make the organization less controversial." Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #153

You don't seem to care about preventing pregnancies. Maybe you're against birth control? yardwork Feb 2012 #154

+1000 librechik Feb 2012 #31

That's about 15% of its 2009-2010 budget. Sgent Feb 2012 #15

A very small % of what they do, but shows how important they are to women. MH1 Feb 2012 #17

Of course Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #52

Thank you, Gormy, I was obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #55

Do you think abortion should be legal? 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #81

Three percent (3%) of all Planned Parenthood services are abortions ellie Feb 2012 #136

I have been informed this poster is no longer with us obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #164

It isn't even all about abortion. It's that notion of PLANNED parenthood MH1 Feb 2012 #18

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #7

More information on Karen Handel, Komen's new VP of Public Policy ehrnst Feb 2012 #8

So apparently lesbian women don't get breast cancer KamaAina Feb 2012 #49

And no post menopausal women get breast cancer either sarge43 Feb 2012 #149

This news saddens me Harmony Blue Feb 2012 #25

K & R Scurrilous Feb 2012 #32

Hey Erick Erickson, you are a fucking idiot. NOTE: Erik is the RW quoted in OP, NOT the OP. uppityperson Feb 2012 #34

+1... SidDithers Feb 2012 #42

Since that post was hidden due to reading comprehension issues on the part of the jurors kath Feb 2012 #141

+1 for this and for blogslut's hidden post. Bolo Boffin Feb 2012 #73

Good information! Thank you for letting us know WHERE the pressure came from csziggy Feb 2012 #51

I PLEDGE I will NEVER visit a Susan G. Komen care center or donate to them. librechik Feb 2012 #59

This story is hitting the media and of course the various feminist groups... CBHagman Feb 2012 #61

A facebook friend said PP has had a spike of 26% donations today obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #65

I saw that PP got $400K donated yesterday Bolo Boffin Feb 2012 #74

Wow -- a 250K donantion! obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #75

They started pissing me off when they started suing small charities, to be honest. MADem Feb 2012 #148

I know! obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #152

We need a "Planned Parenthood" walk for charity! ThatsMyBarack Feb 2012 #155

There is also another connection here: James O'keefe Raine1967 Feb 2012 #159

Planned Parenthood should go after the SGK foundation's core business. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #163