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Comrade Grumpy

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140. Jury results:

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 12:54 PM

Mar 2013

At Tue Mar 26, 2013, 05:23 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

He sexually assaulted her and she had every right to defend herself
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2569402

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

Calling someone a "rape apologist" and saying "you support sexial assault enthusiastically" in this context seems a bit over the top.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Mar 26, 2013, 05:36 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Over the top and then some.

Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Not so much over the top as out of the stadium and into orbit, IMO.

Thank you.

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Woman fined for hitting man who grabbed her [View all] The Straight Story Mar 2013 OP

I think, the point might be that she broke his nose... DetlefK Mar 2013 #1

Perhaps - but if someone grabs you and you reply in defense The Straight Story Mar 2013 #2

So? He had no right to sexually assault her. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #64

You can't use "eye-for-an-eye" here: She was not physically hurt. DetlefK Mar 2013 #74

. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #80

If you hope that I defend that guy or engage with you in a flame-war about rape, forget it. DetlefK Mar 2013 #89

The law also allows for "fighting words" (granted, the OP is in regards to Sweden) Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #94

However, just because her response resulted in injury doesn't mean it was retribution. antigone382 Mar 2013 #98

It's retribution to those who think they're netitled. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #127

He assaulted her. She struck back. Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #129

Ass grabbing is an aggravated assault? AAO Mar 2013 #207

You are correct. It's assault and battery Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #210

No worries, GC! AAO Mar 2013 #212

And if he had of grabbed your grandmother's breasts... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #159

Oh, bullshit. tabasco Mar 2013 #209

Would she have been justified in killing him? Orrex Mar 2013 #96

How much should she be required to just lie back and try to relax? Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #100

She should be permitted to take reasonable action to end the incident Orrex Mar 2013 #113

His rights are to keep his hands to himself. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #124

So there are no limits to retaliation? Really? Orrex Mar 2013 #135

Oh, go fuck yourself Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #139

You might at least have the decency to understand my point first Orrex Mar 2013 #141

Juror #5 - Reporting! ellisonz Mar 2013 #145

Number 6 here! Rowdyboy Mar 2013 #149

Hey there #6 - you said it better than I could in the moment. ellisonz Mar 2013 #151

Congratulations, jurors #5 and #6 for proudly making the DU jury system even more of a bad joke. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #180

You're welcome. n/t ellisonz Mar 2013 #182

Thank-you to you as well. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #155

ahhhhhhh seabeyond Mar 2013 #166

DELETED, POSTED IN WRONG PLACE Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #178

Thank-you. I appreciate your consideration Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #153

well.... seabeyond Mar 2013 #168

Normally slapping someone would not break their nose. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #126

Defendants take their victims as they find them. JVS Mar 2013 #150

And that would presumably include the instinctive reaction of a sexual assault victim. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #161

That is contingent on the court buying her defense, which they didn't. Since they didn't buy it... JVS Mar 2013 #167

and isnt that always the way, hence the feel that there are no repercussion to sexual assault seabeyond Mar 2013 #171

Well I guess they didn't. But they are wrong and I hope the appeal is successful. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #175

So she's presumed to be innocent and he's presumed to be guilty. Interesting. Orrex Mar 2013 #176

Yes....(as is everyone on trial)..... no. The point is a competent lawyer should be able to yellowcanine Mar 2013 #185

How do we know this? Orrex Mar 2013 #187

Cross examination is supposed to reveal who is telling the truth. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #199

Is it possible that the court *did* find out the truth? Orrex Mar 2013 #201

Nominate for best response post of the year theHandpuppet Mar 2013 #163

"Not physically hurt". Try saying that to Ilsa Mar 2013 #81

+1000. nt. polly7 Mar 2013 #85

No, it's appropriate for her to smack him with her bare hands, closed fist or open MillennialDem Mar 2013 #92

Grabbing a woman's butt is sexual assault. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #122

A few days ago I was afraid redqueen's posts about "rape culture" were hyperbolic Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #125

+1 LiberalLoner Mar 2013 #130

+1 Tien1985 Mar 2013 #164

His nose would be intact if he didn't go around grabbing women's butts. Beacool Mar 2013 #77

Agreed! csziggy Mar 2013 #115

had it been me.. AsahinaKimi Mar 2013 #148

Exactly appleannie1 Mar 2013 #183

Maybe dip-shits with paper noses OriginalGeek Mar 2013 #82

So you're arguing that it *is* possible for people to be "asking for it." Orrex Mar 2013 #86

He grabbed her ass OriginalGeek Mar 2013 #87

So if she'd grabbed his ass and he'd broken her nose, that would be ok? Orrex Mar 2013 #91

I have little doubt that you have convinced yourself that to be the case. LanternWaste Mar 2013 #116

If you have something to say, then say it. Orrex Mar 2013 #119

Yes, exactly Politicalboi Mar 2013 #172

Thank you. Orrex Mar 2013 #173

If she grabbed his ass he would have a valid reason to react by slapping her. Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #192

and i definately agree with you, this is a 2 way street BUT why and lets not pretend that the threat seabeyond Mar 2013 #194

Not threat so much as reality. Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #195

Good response Orrex Mar 2013 #197

Thank you, Gormy Cuss. sibelian Mar 2013 #206

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #106

That's some ugly, scurrilous shit you're slinging. I alerted on it. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #118

Jury results: Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #140

That's easy. "Asking for it" is grabbing someone's butt. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #132

But would a man be justified in slapping a woman who grabbed his ass? Orrex Mar 2013 #136

Someone grabs your butt, man or woman, a slap is justified, yes. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #138

Thanks Orrex Mar 2013 #144

If every woman who was on the receiving end of SEXUAL ASSAULT gave her attacker a broken nose kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #105

Yes and I bet he stopped grabbing her butt at that point. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #112

winner. knee him. same result. no evidence. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #128

Yep. That would do it! I doubt he'd present the huevos in court. nt Ilsa Mar 2013 #203

She smacked him and his nose just got in the way..... yellowcanine Mar 2013 #114

The last time some man grabbed me on the street Warpy Mar 2013 #202

Tough shit for the asshole groper tabasco Mar 2013 #208

There's a natural instinctive reaction to stuff like this sometimes gollygee Mar 2013 #3

So if a drunk woman grabs a guy's ass in a bar RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #4

If I grabbed a woman's ass in a bar I'd expect to be punched. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #6

People should just keep their hands to themselves. nt RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #8

Yeah, and not grab people's asses gollygee Mar 2013 #11

Instinctively? I've had my unwantedly grabbed before in a bar by a drunken asshole cali Mar 2013 #35

Mine was to turn around and deck the guy. Fawke Em Mar 2013 #39

Different people respond to things differently gollygee Mar 2013 #51

I can't remember how many times I'd have a tray of drinks in one hand and a pitcher polly7 Mar 2013 #53

Sorry, I just don't think hitting people is a good solution cali Mar 2013 #57

It sounds like she was surprised by it and just reacted. polly7 Mar 2013 #65

It may not be a good solution, KitSileya Mar 2013 #72

No one is required to be Amish. Hitting in self defense is perfectly kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #108

Same here unapatriciated Mar 2013 #215

I don't instinctively hit people. HappyMe Mar 2013 #47

So if a man "reacts instinctively" and punches a woman in the face, that's ok? Orrex Mar 2013 #61

If people can't control themselves to keep themselves from grabbing someone's ass gollygee Mar 2013 #63

Well, if that was his instinctive reaction, you already excused it. Orrex Mar 2013 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Mar 2013 #73

Why are you bending over backwards to defend SEXUAL ASSAULT???? kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #109

I'm doing exactly the opposite. Orrex Mar 2013 #117

I've yet to meet a guy who had a problem with a woman grabbing his ass in a bar. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #12

Oh here we go... RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #15

Have YOU ever heard a guy complain about that? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #19

Yeah me RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #21

Seriously dude? trumad Mar 2013 #23

Yeah what is the problem? RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #24

I think that most people who believe it is normal, right and fair LanternWaste Mar 2013 #156

Does this happen to you often? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #26

Here it comes RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #27

DU didn't go there. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #30

You're right RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #31

I was hoping you'd edit out "fag". UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #40

DU 101 In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #49

You're right--he must be asking for it. Orrex Mar 2013 #41

If he didn't want that sort of attention theKed Mar 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author sibelian Mar 2013 #137

You bet your ass I complain about it riqster Mar 2013 #33

I agree! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #50

I had a woman grope my crotch in a bar one night. I didn't exactly complain brewens Mar 2013 #37

Yes, my husband. He filed a sexual harassment suit on a female co-worker madmom Mar 2013 #59

Sounds like she has serious problems. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #62

I'm very unhappy about any woman grabbing any part of me. sibelian Mar 2013 #131

I haven't seen that happen in a long time. HappyMe Mar 2013 #20

I haven't been in a singles bar in a long time. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #28

I never grabbed a strange guy's ass in a bar. HappyMe Mar 2013 #32

I was joking of course. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #34

My name is Demwing. Now we've met. demwing Mar 2013 #36

I guess I didn't hang out in those kind of bars very often. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author demwing Mar 2013 #44

It still is not legal treestar Mar 2013 #56

Fine. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #58

not offensively treestar Mar 2013 #104

Right here Recursion Mar 2013 #99

Because all men want it? Because they are asking for it? riqster Mar 2013 #111

Enough. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #120

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #142

I already agreed that no one should touch anyone. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #143

But you left your sexist post up riqster Mar 2013 #146

Sexist, horrible. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #154

So the woman in the case should have been happy her butt was patted? riqster Mar 2013 #158

This is the most perfect example of wilful misunderstanding I have ever seen. sibelian Mar 2013 #204

You clearly need to start hanging out with a different class of guys then. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #147

Not gonna happen. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #157

Well you clearly don't respect them so it is not surprising if they don't respect you. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #162

Who don't I respect? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #165

The men you work with in construction. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #169

ah, but there is a vested interest in maintaining the macho, whistle/grab womans ass stereotype seabeyond Mar 2013 #174

Yeah I wondered about that and resented it a bit because I used to work in construction. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #177

See, this is why I (and others) have no respect for HOF. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #196

a guess, yes. i see no other reason for your statement about construction workers. ranting/raving? seabeyond Mar 2013 #198

Well that word salad made sense... Not. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #200

OK, now this thread is major league silly. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #186

Yeah that's an argument. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #190

So you seek disagreement? sibelian Mar 2013 #205

Don't be obtuse: "Argument" = "Debating Point" yellowcanine Mar 2013 #214

I beg to differ Rajesh Mar 2013 #181

As a man, I would be offended if a woman grabbed my ass in a bar LittleBlue Mar 2013 #188

How else would I have known I have no respect for my coworkers? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #189

I think you need some reeducation LittleBlue Mar 2013 #191

No. The laws apply to both sexes equally. treestar Mar 2013 #55

"People should just keep their hands to themselves..." Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2013 #68

yes, it is ok. magical thyme Mar 2013 #70

Because we all know... NCTraveler Mar 2013 #71

No, not bullshit RandiFan1290 Mar 2013 #152

Agreed. Women should keep their hands to themselves, too. nt Ilsa Mar 2013 #83

Agreed. The debate above is irrelevant. LittleBlue Mar 2013 #97

Slapping someone is one thing. HappyMe Mar 2013 #5

If folks could keep their hands to themselves... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #7

That's pretty much it. HappyMe Mar 2013 #13

I bet he'll think twice before he grabs a woman's ass again. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #9

She was fined because there was evidence of her conduct. MADem Mar 2013 #216

How does a slap break someone's nose? justiceischeap Mar 2013 #10

Police found no evidence of butt-grabbing britaphilter Mar 2013 #14

What evidence would there be? gollygee Mar 2013 #17

Yeah, who needs evidence? ronnie624 Mar 2013 #66

He isn't being charged with anything gollygee Mar 2013 #69

There's no evidence for any aspect of this 'story'. ronnie624 Mar 2013 #75

You are obviously wrong, there is evidence The Straight Story Mar 2013 #184

The available evidence consists of one person's word against another's slackmaster Mar 2013 #110

The court agreed that she was subject to "serious provocation," i.e., butt-grabbing. Vattel Mar 2013 #18

Maybe women should dust their butts with invisible glow powder. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #179

If she punched him in the nose with a closed fist, Vattel Mar 2013 #16

I'm just saying... demwing Mar 2013 #46

lol, good point, although maybe he has a really flimsy nose Vattel Mar 2013 #88

Too bad she did not have a gun, she could have shot him and gone to jail CBGLuthier Mar 2013 #22

Stand your Ground baby... trumad Mar 2013 #25

This cries out for a kickstarter (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #29

That's what's known as getting a beat down for being a jerk. Dash87 Mar 2013 #42

bollocks that she got fined. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #43

Perhaps he will think before touching a woman's ass again! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #48

Reiterating what pipi_k Mar 2013 #52

If it was retaliatory, it's not justified treestar Mar 2013 #54

That term, "instinctively", seems to be interesting in this case The Straight Story Mar 2013 #67

You bring up some interesting points. HappyMe Mar 2013 #78

There is a famous YouTube clip Orrex Mar 2013 #84

Wonder what folks think about fighting in Hockey The Straight Story Mar 2013 #93

There are two things that I don't understand in all of this: Orrex Mar 2013 #211

No, I do not cheer her on treestar Mar 2013 #101

Breaking his nose was a bit of overreaction in my book. Lil Missy Mar 2013 #60

According to the OP she only slapped him. Once. Which is understandable, considering. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #193

Ah, a Viking descendant. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #79

Nope, it was Lisbeth Salander. Brigid Mar 2013 #103

If only he was a 17 year old kid with skittles who didn't grab her MillennialDem Mar 2013 #90

Only in Florida*, not in Sweden csziggy Mar 2013 #123

That's kind of a crap thing to do to her LittleBlue Mar 2013 #95

I'll let the Swedes sort it out Floyd_Gondolli Mar 2013 #102

Self defense. She should appeal if she can. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Mar 2013 #121

Kidney punch in the lunch line One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #133

this happened in Sweden right ? olddots Mar 2013 #134

they should have charged him too. pansypoo53219 Mar 2013 #160

The article says they lacked evidence so they dropped the investigation. JVS Mar 2013 #170

When I was in college, I went to a frat party at the University of Vermont. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #213