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backscatter712

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25. The link does show an actual experiment being conducted.

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 02:11 PM

Mar 2013

The company shipped a bunch of packages with "ATHEIST" tape, and a bunch of packages with blank packing tape - and yes, the ones marked "ATHEIST" took longer to arrive and were more likely to get lost in the mail.

Probably some fundies in a mailroom somewhere "accidentally on-purpose" mis-sorting packages. I think the Postmaster General needs to investigate and see to it anyone deliberately mis-sorting or tampering with packages gets fired and prosecuted.

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Is the US Postal Service Biased Against Atheists? Check Out This Study [View all] DavidDvorkin Mar 2013 OP

I doubt it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #1

Didnt you know that the Post Office is funding HARP to target Atheist Shoemakers???? Come on!! Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #8

That explains the nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #13

Exactly! Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #14

Got any evidence? backscatter712 Mar 2013 #58

Correction: The Atheist Shoe Illuminati! Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #59

Lemme see, ship them through the Postal System in Berlin nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #60

You saw post #15, or the same illustration in the link in the OP, correct? backscatter712 Mar 2013 #61

Yes, I read it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #62

The evidence shows that mail marked "ATHEIST" gets handled differently than normal mail. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #69

because the autimated system nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #71

Interesting hypothesis. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #80

So you think postal workers are doing it on purpoise nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #82

I don't think it's most postal/DHL workers - it'd likely a small subset of felonious bad apples. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #119

How about DHL? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #121

The company lied nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #123

If postal workers are involved s with last mile nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #124

Here is one better nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #117

You'd have a point, except that they sent "plain wrap" packages to the same people jeff47 Mar 2013 #51

The shoes are being sent to younger people, identifying the product, against USPS rules. TheBlackAdder Mar 2013 #83

They are getting delayed due to not following packaging nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #84

because apparently the most obvious explaination.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #94

Well this is what we call bias confirmation nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #95

no this is what *you* are calling 'bias confirmation', not *we* Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #96

You mean my first hand story nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #98

that's not how '1st' vs '2nd' hand works. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #100

No son, he is what historians consider a primary source nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #102

I would roll my eyes at a package covered with 'Atheist' just much as 'Christian.' onehandle Mar 2013 #2

And the automated processing machine nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #68

Neither would sound preachy to me. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #140

I don't know if it's bias, but kudzu22 Mar 2013 #3

The neutral package met USPS shipping regulations nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #108

Aha -- perhaps the culprit has been revealed kudzu22 Mar 2013 #111

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #113

More to the culprit nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #118

Gee, I wonder what would happen if they used RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #4

So they wouldn't get into copyright issues LiberalFighter Mar 2013 #7

The machine would kick it out as well nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #90

There needs to be an investigation as to who is doing the delaying LiberalFighter Mar 2013 #5

Yes - clearly, some fundies are letting their religious beliefs interfere with their jobs. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #28

I doubt it My Good Babushka Mar 2013 #6

When humans are involved it can happen. LiberalFighter Mar 2013 #9

All those shoes are going to the same place My Good Babushka Mar 2013 #22

Mebbe company is not following USPS shipping guidelines nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #103

Is the "not following" part WinniSkipper Mar 2013 #141

See post #15. n/t backscatter712 Mar 2013 #27

I have no idea how often packages from other German companies go missing My Good Babushka Mar 2013 #33

The study here presented a control. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #37

Three days. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #85

Thank you, I have a small craft business that does lots of shipping My Good Babushka Mar 2013 #132

And add insult to injury nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #134

This atheist needs a little more proof before he'll have faith in the assertion. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #10

The link does show an actual experiment being conducted. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #25

He of little faith...you were correct. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #125

Unrec for pointless speculation: "we started to wonder if" FSogol Mar 2013 #11

Oh, like good atheists they performed a carefully conducted experiment after they wondered Fumesucker Mar 2013 #15

Carefully Constructed Experiement would have included tape that said SOMETHING inoffensive AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #142

I think customs is the problem. RebelOne Mar 2013 #19

And it is DHL that does the shipping per their own site nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #127

I didn't realize shoes could have a religious preference. Fawke Em Mar 2013 #12

this is most interesting niyad Mar 2013 #16

Save The Atheist Shoes!!!11! MineralMan Mar 2013 #17

How about having a government agency treat everyone equally. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #29

Actually, I'd be more interested in seeing if there was truly MineralMan Mar 2013 #35

The study in the OP show numbers comparing ATHEIST-marked packages with unmarked packages. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #46

due to the automated Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #76

WOW. Packages mailed internationally taking a long time to get there? Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #18

FFS, try reading more than the headline. jeff47 Mar 2013 #53

GET REAL olddots Mar 2013 #20

Using atheist packaging tape is "shoving it down people's throats"? Apophis Mar 2013 #23

Using DHL and blaming USPS is kind of funny nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #128

You just "shoved it down people's throats" more than a strip of tape on a package. jeff47 Mar 2013 #54

must have hit home olddots Mar 2013 #66

It's not bias, the US postal service really sucks when it comes to international packages. JVS Mar 2013 #21

You did read the part where packages with atheist tape Apophis Mar 2013 #24

See post #15. n/t backscatter712 Mar 2013 #26

But given the abominably slow nature of the postal service's handling of international packages is.. JVS Mar 2013 #32

Is the fact that ATHEIST-marked packages were ten times more likely to be lost significant? n/t backscatter712 Mar 2013 #38

Yes. They did the math. So's the 10x higher loss rate. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2013 #55

See the bottom of the illustration in post #15. p<.01. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #56

And it is really, the slow point, US Customs. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #63

They use DHL by the by nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #129

But are the shoes any good? OriginalGeek Mar 2013 #30

They'd better, for the price 129.00 euros nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #91

Yep... OriginalGeek Mar 2013 #109

The real question is: Do they have soles? nt mathematic Mar 2013 #31

Atheist shoes got no soles. MineralMan Mar 2013 #36

Oh, Thank God! (so to speak)... JHB Mar 2013 #39

I'm curious as to whether the tape itself might be the problem. surrealAmerican Mar 2013 #34

Maybe there should be a third group in this experiment. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #40

The 4th group would probably be prone to being blown up in controlled explosions (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #72

Yes, but not exactly the reason you suggest. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #74

so your 2nd hand anecdotal 'evidence' is.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #92

You mean my first hand nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #97

doesn't change the *fact* that your 2nd hand evidence.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #99

So riddle me this batman nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #101

cutting to the chase here.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #104

To sum up nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #105

Look at the "study" again. hay rick Mar 2013 #106

Gets better nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #120

Look what I just found nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #116

I think you've adequately explained the delay. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #144

Looks like the "controlled study" missed accouting for one variable kudzu22 Mar 2013 #112

And what of the missing packages? AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #143

One cannot create a good statistical analysis from such a small sample size. NCTraveler Mar 2013 #41

I've seen studies with this kind of size that show statistical significance. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #44

Scratch that, the atheist folks from Berlin DID run a statistical analysis. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #47

wow the attempts to weasel out of statistical analysis here are telling. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #42

The unspoken message I'm getting here is: backscatter712 Mar 2013 #43

right.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #45

Just barely unspoken DavidDvorkin Mar 2013 #49

Riggghhhttt nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #75

That's the message I'm seeing. Apophis Mar 2013 #110

Indeed. DavidDvorkin Mar 2013 #48

And I just posted the fine print at the bottom of that illustration. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #50

Numbers don't lie, but the interpretation of them often does kudzu22 Mar 2013 #114

What if I told you they use DHL not USPS? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #136

Not any real surprise to me. Rex Mar 2013 #52

Wish I were surprised temporary311 Mar 2013 #57

Not the USPS. But if each package goes through a dozen different hands? ieoeja Mar 2013 #64

Oh and here is more nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #65

Isn't there some way to trace or track the packages? Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #67

An answer that is away from victim mode nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #73

I want my conspiracy theory back. hay rick Mar 2013 #79

I just posted as much nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #81

Evidently Amazon dot com is not aware of this problem with the USPS machines.. Fumesucker Mar 2013 #131

A few points. hay rick Mar 2013 #135

And then I found the truth nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #126

WHO IS THIS SENDER AND WHAT IS HE DOING WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S MAIL?!?!?!? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #70

If the mail scanning machines automatically kick out packages with printed tapes djean111 Mar 2013 #77

They do nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #78

I'd like to point out that this was apparently part of an ad campaign... Marr Mar 2013 #86

Hubby had another theory nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #87

Could be. It'd be a bit hypocritical of me Marr Mar 2013 #88

I happen to be married to one of the workers nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #89

This "study" was very graphics-intensive. hay rick Mar 2013 #93

So, they think the overworked and harried package sorters have special corner for "atheist" stuff? bhikkhu Mar 2013 #107

I suspect all the worker has to do is put the package that offends him in the wrong bin. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #122

There is more... nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #115

poor controls. poor study. eom yawnmaster Mar 2013 #130

And they ship through DHL nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #133

Looking at the link, I do believe this is mainly for publicity... yawnmaster Mar 2013 #138

Not really, they had this "study" posted, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #139

oh! sure yah! them postal employees is got nothin on their mind cept whether th'sender struggle4progress Mar 2013 #137