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AtheistCrusader

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33. As an infertile heterosexual

Tue Mar 26, 2013, 02:28 PM

Mar 2013

I have used this argument to great confounding effect on foes. They don't really know what to make of it.

Probably doubly so, because males normally don't say anything that might cast doubt upon their 'virility' or whatever. I don't give a shit. I don't define myself by my sperm count. And I have PRECISELY the same desires and capability to have and raise a child, as any same-sex couple. And the children of each have PRECISELY the same NEED for state and federal recognition of survivorship, shared property, medical decisions, even fifth amendment immunity and the thousand plus odd federally recognized rights that marriage confers.

I can adopt. I can have a surrogate. Sperm donor. Child from a former relationship. Etc. There are many paths to having a dependent child. If simple human decency/equality doesn't motivate our foes, at least taking care of kids ought to, and there are a LOT of kids out there with same-sex parents. They NEED these protections just as surely as my wife and I did. REGARDLESS of our ability to conceive.

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Defense gets pounded by Supreme Court Justices [View all] cali Mar 2013 OP

if the effects are "unknown", then we cannot know that they are harmful. logic apparently niyad Mar 2013 #1

add to that that there is no evidence, after nearly 9 years of marriage equality cali Mar 2013 #2

I keep trying to figure out how such braindead types manage to function at any level. niyad Mar 2013 #4

The only harm done in MA Fearless Mar 2013 #25

You mean this did not happen? Agschmid Mar 2013 #47

Lol. Fearless Mar 2013 #89

the only harm done NoQuarter Mar 2013 #68

How so? JDPriestly Mar 2013 #76

I know EXACTLY what the effects will be. cliffordu Mar 2013 #3

+1 SoonerPride Mar 2013 #5

and the wedding industry will make a few more dollars, possibly creating jobs. wouldn't this be niyad Mar 2013 #6

Yep. cliffordu Mar 2013 #7

Absolutely REACTIVATED IN CT Mar 2013 #26

Hopefully with a dash of "love" or a pinch of "lust"... but yes it is. Agschmid Mar 2013 #49

2. Gay folks will get divorced RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #59

Always the hopeless romantic.... cliffordu Mar 2013 #92

if the effects are "unknown", then we cannot know that they are harmful. logic apparently AlbertCat Mar 2013 #43

+ 1 truegrit44 Mar 2013 #94

Maybe they are referring to the "GOD" effect Heather MC Mar 2013 #79

Infertile hetero couples should then be banned from getting married, too. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #8

And as soon as their offspring attain majority their marriages should be disolved. bluedigger Mar 2013 #14

There should be fertility tests for both partners as part of the marriage application process as wel AlbertCat Mar 2013 #51

er, yeah. bluedigger Mar 2013 #58

I needed to get in the weeds for snark. AlbertCat Mar 2013 #61

Indeed! bluedigger Mar 2013 #62

Agereed ! REACTIVATED IN CT Mar 2013 #27

As an infertile heterosexual AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #33

+1 ArcticFox Mar 2013 #98

Excellent argument, but it would probably fly right over the mouth breather's heads. sarge43 Mar 2013 #100

Well put. blackspade Mar 2013 #36

The pro-8 lawyer should have been embarrassed to mention procreation JDPriestly Mar 2013 #77

Good news. lark Mar 2013 #9

Kennedy's question was very encouraging. BlueCheese Mar 2013 #10

Could it be that the Supreme Court will once again lead the way on civil rights? SoonerPride Mar 2013 #11

Explain-- you don't think they'll rule the right way on this? BlueCheese Mar 2013 #12

I think it will be a narrow decision applying only to CA SoonerPride Mar 2013 #16

They would have a hard time keeping you from marraige in OK then, when California loses. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #19

Precisely Sherman A1 Mar 2013 #22

Not necessarily. SoonerPride Mar 2013 #30

Well, a possible scenario is Prop8 goes down, but DOMA stands. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #34

That seems less likely SoonerPride Mar 2013 #39

They should but they won't because they want to control this. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #46

Prop 8 could be a very narrow ruling that applies to CA only wryter2000 Mar 2013 #65

No, they could rule that the people protecting the law lack standing jeff47 Mar 2013 #38

Not quite. morningfog Mar 2013 #86

My feeling is that DOMA is dead for two reasons; the Fourteenth Amendment and Loving vs Virginia. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #87

But why? angrychair Mar 2013 #21

Because they had a right and then that right was taken away by Prop 8 SoonerPride Mar 2013 #29

Unfortunately, the courts often do seem to find a way to weasel out of tough spots... BlueCheese Mar 2013 #32

I see your point angrychair Mar 2013 #48

Thank you. 27 years and counting.... SoonerPride Mar 2013 #54

Standing jeff47 Mar 2013 #41

It was my belief that the USSC does not hear cases filed by those with no standing. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #66

Appellate courts decided they did have standing jeff47 Mar 2013 #70

Thanks for the answer. You may be right. BlueCheese Mar 2013 #31

And John Robert's is a wild card... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #83

You never know. I thought it was his adopted children that might Hekate Mar 2013 #93

My Wife had a hysterectomy at age 47, just before we got married louis c Mar 2013 #13

Beautiful couple. LoisB Mar 2013 #18

Great photo TBF Mar 2013 #23

You look great together! csziggy Mar 2013 #52

an early happy 10th anniversary to a beautiful couple, and wishing you many, many more. niyad Mar 2013 #73

Thanks for sharing such a beautiful picture mercymechap Mar 2013 #78

Both my husband and myself are surgically sterile. sarge43 Mar 2013 #101

Fingers crossed that... 99Forever Mar 2013 #15

The Supreme Court really has a chance to make history here and do the right thing. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #17

So...should everyone be tested for fertility before a marriage license is issued? Should LoisB Mar 2013 #20

The "procreation" argument is the only thing they've got NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #24

This case was already decided in the last episode of Boston Legal frazzled Mar 2013 #28

Vasectomy is an automatic annulment then? One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #35

... and menopause ... Myrina Mar 2013 #42

Alot of Tax revenue One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #50

Justice Sotomayor was educating Mr. Cooper about menopause. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2013 #91

They probably do know it in theory, but it is so remote from where they live... Hekate Mar 2013 #95

Scalia...figures! sheshe2 Mar 2013 #37

Keeping in mind that THIS is perfectly okay... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #40

Making fun of people's appearance now? tkmorris Mar 2013 #44

+1 n/t Agschmid Mar 2013 #53

You just described the picture perfectly. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #57

Are they cousins, RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #60

Some families are so broken they don't even KNOW if they are related. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #64

this is for real? cousins? a renfaire gag? please identify. niyad Mar 2013 #75

You decide.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #82

Why make fun of people? n-t Logical Mar 2013 #90

Maybe because they feel they're superior. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #96

tigerram Tigerram Mar 2013 #45

welcome to DU--that is what one of my friends says--they have the right to be as miserable niyad Mar 2013 #74

This quote is from a lawyer? Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #55

There is no defense against social injustice. Rex Mar 2013 #56

How can the effects be "unknown" wryter2000 Mar 2013 #63

Loving v. Virginia really should have settled this issue once and for all. ohheckyeah Mar 2013 #67

Olson mentioned it a lot in his argument. nt Lex Mar 2013 #80

Roberts dissapoints pokerfan Mar 2013 #69

This guy actually got a degree? That is the most asinine statement I've ever read. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #84

Even the procreation "logic" is better than whatever reasoning led Roberts to make that idiotic NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #85

Does that mean that people who can't, or choose not to, have children are barred from marriage? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #71

Procreation??? angrychair Mar 2013 #72

It is an argument opponents of same-sex marriage make all the time. Lex Mar 2013 #81

The standing issue is what will own them Alcibiades Mar 2013 #88

Is discrimination ok as long as it has a long history? ArcticFox Mar 2013 #97

Crickets going, "Chirp chirp chirp" tell the story... nikto Mar 2013 #99