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Zorra

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121. Yes, good points, but every day we see examples in the news of
Wed Mar 27, 2013, 02:51 PM
Mar 2013

continuing widespread racism, sexism, and homophobia.

If we simply blow off and accept what are essentially kinder, gentler forms of expressing these ugly phenomena that are so deeply rooted in many cultures. what does that say, and what does that do?

Thirty years ago it was commonplace for straight people to call LGBT persons all kinds of derogatory slurs. If we did not resist, and protest, and most progressives did not join us, nothing would have changed.

Dominant groups often have a bit of difficulty understanding the position of minorites. What seems like a silly trifle to a member of a dominant culture might be another little brick that minority groups are struggling to remove from the wall in order to bring that wall down. And it is very often extremely difficult for us to get many members of the dominant culture to see it, because you don't, and have never, had to live it.

There are many intuitive, insightful, and intelligent members of minority groups here. When they try to post about issues that are well known within the group, but not even recognizable to the dominant culture, they're not doing it for their health, popularity, to be a bully, ,etc. They are trying to make the domination culture feel what they feel in their experience, in order that may further and more deeply understand that experience.

We are doing it to try to remove one more little piece of the wall, and we know it will take great persistence and determination to do so.

Because it always has. You apparently don't understand what the fuss is over benevolent sexism, how it is a holdover cultural institution rooted in the widespread all pervasive misogyny that existed in the past, and stuck as another "just the way things is" brick in the wall of the present.

It's difficult. We unsderstand that you are on our side, but just not fully cognizant of what we are trying to do to move us further down the road toward the ultimate goal of genuine equality.

Dentist, gotta go.

peace

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I think we need to reflect on what we do as a community more. Kurska Mar 2013 #1
I like how the author ended the article: Kurovski Mar 2013 #3
Very good end to the article and yeah that is a little funny bout the names. n/t Kurska Mar 2013 #5
Well said. n/t OneGrassRoot Mar 2013 #23
What I've noticed over the past year is a species of self-righteous mob behavior Hekate Mar 2013 #2
Or how about that old couple in Florida whose address was tweeted as being George Zimmerman's JVS Mar 2013 #4
Yes, that too. Those innocent people could have been killed. Hekate Mar 2013 #6
There's been plenty of self-righteous mob behavior right here on DU. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #65
Yes there is. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #131
It is the reaction that must be expected when the rule of law has failed. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #102
If only we liberals were less mean, things could get done. bleever Mar 2013 #7
I only give up being mean for lent, so I should talk. Kurovski Mar 2013 #9
Yes. sibelian Mar 2013 #8
+10000 to that. MattSh Mar 2013 #21
Bringing it back home I am reminded of Meta... Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #10
It definitely could have applied to Meta. pacalo Mar 2013 #12
And to the current threads on the election of the new Pope Sherman A1 Mar 2013 #18
For sure! pacalo Mar 2013 #19
What I find disturbing Sherman A1 Mar 2013 #20
for reference RainDog Mar 2013 #106
Pope and Catholic are on my auto-hide list. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #44
I hide no one and nothing. Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #47
Do you feel a need to read the table of contents UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #48
Point taken, but I am sure you understand mine as well Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #49
I do. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #50
After reading the OP, I thought meta also. HappyMe Mar 2013 #46
So, you're against self-righteousness?1! pacalo Mar 2013 #86
I'm probably on there. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #103
No, you aren't on my ignore list. HappyMe Mar 2013 #110
Sounds like a good idea. I didn't know you could do that. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #115
At the top right, click on HappyMe Mar 2013 #116
Absolutely get the red out Mar 2013 #52
yup, my reaction is to just trash the "privilege" threads quinnox Mar 2013 #11
I think I'm going to go back to trashing all threads related to rape. pacalo Mar 2013 #13
I feel the same way quinnox Mar 2013 #14
I started to wonder if I was one of the few who didn't get the super-secret memo about some pacalo Mar 2013 #15
you and me both quinnox Mar 2013 #17
This article is crap. mattclearing Mar 2013 #16
It's not about "telling some right-wing asshat that they benefit from privilege" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #31
Perhaps. mattclearing Mar 2013 #70
Yep. Progressives being mean is a huge issue... desth threats, rape threats, and redqueen Mar 2013 #41
. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #45
Thanks. mattclearing Mar 2013 #72
It looks like an observation on the part of the author. I think she says so in the text. Kurovski Mar 2013 #100
I tend to agree with you wryter2000 Mar 2013 #54
Her vagueness seems to suit people just fine... redqueen Mar 2013 #66
Yep. mattclearing Mar 2013 #74
The tolerant of my intolerance argument occurred to me as well. mattclearing Mar 2013 #73
We have to point out insensitivity until people everywhere learn to express themselves in ways that sibelian Mar 2013 #75
That's ok. mattclearing Mar 2013 #95
Not everyone uses words with the same intent. Kurovski Mar 2013 #96
Agreed. mattclearing Mar 2013 #97
It's insane. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #22
Here is one of the 446 comments I read. Kurovski Mar 2013 #24
Part of another comment: Kurovski Mar 2013 #25
It's very odd in that we are seeing an ever-widening gap between rich and poor Kurovski Mar 2013 #26
It's from half a year ago Turborama Mar 2013 #40
You are not alone in your observations... Old and In the Way Mar 2013 #56
A few weeks ago on "Up With Chris Hayes" Kurovski Mar 2013 #71
well said....a great article backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #27
I "quit" for many months because it seems ridiculous to argue with people I mostly agree with... KittyWampus Mar 2013 #58
One of the big ones: The Straight Story Mar 2013 #28
Pretty Much Explains... KharmaTrain Mar 2013 #29
Remember when DU didn't suck? TransitJohn Mar 2013 #30
I think META exposed well the dark side of DU The Straight Story Mar 2013 #32
Excellent article. 99Forever Mar 2013 #33
Interesting. I believe every responder to the OP up to this point is male. nt Zorra Mar 2013 #34
that has what to do with what exactly? backwoodsbob Mar 2013 #35
That's kind of the fault line that is being exploited here. Old and In the Way Mar 2013 #57
LOL RZM Mar 2013 #36
I read a lot. And the point is, I find it interesting that that Zorra Mar 2013 #38
Just as most that seem fixated on it seem to be or where raised upper class and white. TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #42
I find it interesting that you can be so sure of gender just by user names. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #55
User names actually have little or nothing to do with it, Zorra Mar 2013 #104
I think you are blowing smoke. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #111
maybe the fact this article quoted in the OP was written by a woman should be of interest then too quinnox Mar 2013 #37
That it is. nt Zorra Mar 2013 #39
Wow. You are better than me at figuring out someone's sex from their username (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #43
I'm sorry, I believe you are making somewhat irrelevant assumptions. nt Zorra Mar 2013 #105
You mean like the sex of the posters? (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2013 #108
Touche. pacalo Mar 2013 #125
It isn't true, and you could have checked it. Kurovski Mar 2013 #76
"It's an invitation to rumble." pacalo Mar 2013 #80
Please, allow me to spell it out for you. I'm sorry if my online technique of communicating may be Zorra Mar 2013 #107
I think you missed the crux of the OP and the problems people here on DU are having The Straight Story Mar 2013 #109
Yes, good points, but every day we see examples in the news of Zorra Mar 2013 #121
Well I say Thank You - for one of the better replies here The Straight Story Mar 2013 #122
You make a lot of assumptions about the motivations of other people. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #113
I spent an hour composing a response, and lost it with a finger slip. Gaaa! Kurovski Mar 2013 #119
Maybe some people just don't want to kick it. pintobean Mar 2013 #114
Imported meta from another site without any geek tragedy Mar 2013 #51
Want a good example? The outrage from many DU'ers when Southern Fried Chicken, Collards etc KittyWampus Mar 2013 #59
Sounds yummy. Just missing some BBQ and yams. nt geek tragedy Mar 2013 #60
Well, this Cracker ate/eats a lot of that under moss-draped oaks beside big breezy lakes. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #61
Soul food doesn't care what color is the soul's body. GoCubsGo Mar 2013 #87
Heirloom peas w/ a little ham used to be cheap. Now you can't find 'em. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #93
LMAO... your subject line cut off after 'chicken'... so I thought you were going to mention redqueen Mar 2013 #64
OMG, I remember that brou-ha-ha WolverineDG Mar 2013 #82
"Online bullying - a New and Ugly Sport for Liberal Commenters" yellowcanine Mar 2013 #53
I guess I'll be the first to mention liberals with guns. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #62
Say what? yellowcanine Mar 2013 #63
Sorry for the crypnotic effect. Everyone was talking... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #94
I knew what you meant. Kurovski Mar 2013 #98
I guess I didn't get it because I don't accept your premise. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #99
Well, great. I'm reassured that 2A advocates are just that, Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #101
To call asking for more regulation of guns "bullying" degrades the term. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #112
Don't buy your arguments in their face... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #117
NRA is not irrelevant because "pro-2A" is an NRA talking point. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #118
Please. You are so tendentious; talk about cheapening the term "bully." Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #120
Nice - "I will end this conversation... good day." but BTW - here is 1 more dig. yellowcanine Mar 2013 #123
You try editing for flow & structure with a piece if crap smart phone. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #126
It's cute how she acts ike lliberals are unique. redqueen Mar 2013 #67
Authors almost never create the titles of their articles. An editor does, Kurovski Mar 2013 #77
What a bunch of bullshit. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #68
Well that's just skipping around the issue, really isn't it? sibelian Mar 2013 #69
I think "Bullying" is overused and misused, but that's my opinion and I've lived long Kurovski Mar 2013 #79
Self-delete WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #78
I remember this guy on DU who posted about taking his favorite girl at the time out for an expensive KittyWampus Mar 2013 #81
Was that... Kurovski Mar 2013 #88
And if I remembered every slight, I'd be a ball of rage. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #90
She's an author who has seen too many readers' comments derailing the subject matter pacalo Mar 2013 #83
here is what cshe says: Kurovski Mar 2013 #85
As a Meta survivor (heh), I found her observations were right on the money. pacalo Mar 2013 #89
She pretty much nailed Meta (nt) The Straight Story Mar 2013 #124
yep libodem Mar 2013 #128
Love your signature! pacalo Mar 2013 #129
I can't see it on my phone libodem Mar 2013 #130
it's about progressives bossing each other around. "More liberal than thou" Kurovski Mar 2013 #84
"Will, did you read too fast?" WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #91
OK "strong and silent" I think I see what you mean. Kurovski Mar 2013 #92
So the author wants more communication Rex Mar 2013 #127
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