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hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
79. it's certainly not trickle DOWN
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 05:34 PM
Mar 2013

when I pay a vet bill. The vet probably makes a lot more money than me.

But apparently their $80,000 a year income actually benefits me, so I should not begrudge the high prices they charge or dare to call them well off or anything because somehow that would just be playing into the hands of the lords of the universe.

As to why I think $38,000 a year is bigger money that $16,000 a year, I dunno, Maybe it is old school math that I was taught somewhere.

Even in Californication, 40% of households are making less than $36,000 a year. In Michimiligan, 40% of households are making less than $32,000 a year. Often households have two incomes, so I am supposed to be all sad, about ONE person making $19 an hour to START a job?

But the poor are not really virtuous either necessarily. It's not about the income, it is about the greed. You know, the people with the household income of $60,000 who think "it is not enough" or "it is barely enough" as if 40% of their "neighbors" (in the same town maybe, but on the other side of the tracks) are making less than HALF of that much.

True, most of those $60,000 crowd whiz away much of their income so they can live in a "better" neighborhood (far, far away from the canaille)

Let me say it again though. It is not the top 1% who is taking all of the pie. They currently only get about 20% of it. Or to give more detail. Total AGI in 2008 was $8.427 trillion. The top 0.1% got $839 billion, the top 0.9% got $846 billion, the top 4% got $1,242 billion, the next 5% got $930 billion, the next 40% got $3,496 billion, leaving a whole $1,074 for the bottom 50% with about 2/3 of that going to the top half of that group. That's $2,172 for the top 9% (by which I mean the top 10% without the top 1%) and $1,074 for the bottom 50%.

I would claim that the greed of the top 9% is as big a problem as the greed of the top 1%. That, in fact the Government, including the Democratic Party is considering and proposing measures that would negatively impact the bottom 50%. Things like the chained CPI and a higher retirement age. And yet, and yet, any sort of tax increase for those in the top 9%? Well, that is off the table. It cannot even be considered and in fact nobody is daring to propose such a thing. It is just not heard of.

So with the latest ATRA piece of Reaganomics crap that came, not from the Republicans, but from Obama and what was once the Democratic Party. $3.7 trillion in tax cuts over the next decade. With $666 billion of them going to the top 1%, but also $666 billion of them going to the top 4%, and another $1.07 trillion going to the rest of the top 20%.

And while those in the top 20% are counting their tax cut money, programs for the poor, like foodstamps and for the unfortunate, like unemployment insurance, because we have to cut spending.

Why do we have to cut spending? Because we cannot ask families making $140,000 to pay even a little bit more in taxes, because those people are part of the struggling middle class - just like me.

Yeah, sure, we are all in this together.

Oh, and let's also get rid of the "making work pay" tax credit and replace it with the accursed payroll tax cut. That way people above the median income get much bigger tax cuts (and people below the median income get much smaller ones) See page 3 http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxcompromise2010.pdf $7.3 billion for the bottom 20% then becomes $4.26 billion and $11.6 billion for the middle quintile becomes $16.8 billion.

Their gain, our loss.

Solidarity forever. (and the $26.9 billion going to the top 9% is just icing on the let them eat cake.)

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kr HiPointDem Mar 2013 #1
K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Mar 2013 #2
K&R Sherman A1 Mar 2013 #3
"Austerity for thee, not for me . . ." HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #4
"We're not all in this together." moondust Mar 2013 #8
To "be competitive" ... Puzzler Mar 2013 #5
How is half of 28, 19? trumad Mar 2013 #6
It makes for a better story is my guess madokie Mar 2013 #7
I noted that also. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #66
Raises erpowers Mar 2013 #9
Because the 50% cut was 5 years ago Art_from_Ark Mar 2013 #10
Gotcha trumad Mar 2013 #12
You left a sentence out... we need to know what "that" is bobclark86 Mar 2013 #32
It was cut in half and has now gotten to $19 csziggy Mar 2013 #78
CEOs are the New Royalty Octafish Mar 2013 #11
Is $19 per hour for an entry-level worker really that bad? Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #13
Is $21 million "reasonable" for ... 99Forever Mar 2013 #16
If every company in the US paid entry-level workers $19 per hour, Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #22
No one... 99Forever Mar 2013 #25
+1. IMO, not only do we need a much higher minimum wage, winter is coming Mar 2013 #30
but MANY are actually feasting hfojvt Mar 2013 #36
Way to buy into the fascist bullshit. 99Forever Mar 2013 #38
whatever that means hfojvt Mar 2013 #48
Like crabs in a bucket. 99Forever Mar 2013 #51
yeah I know that one hfojvt Mar 2013 #56
Wrong. 99Forever Mar 2013 #59
oh I know hfojvt Mar 2013 #61
Still wrong. 99Forever Mar 2013 #67
Actually, wages from $25 to $40 an hour do trickle down to the economy at a high rate. haele Mar 2013 #44
1st Rate post Populist_Prole Mar 2013 #49
not really very populist hfojvt Mar 2013 #58
So a wage of $50K a year puts you in the elite? haele Mar 2013 #69
$50,000 a year puts you above about 50% of the rest of the country hfojvt Mar 2013 #72
Deep breath - The benefit is in the taxes and spending that the $50K - $100K does. haele Mar 2013 #74
you just keep repeating the argument for trickle down hfojvt Mar 2013 #75
No I'm making this point because this is part of the research I am doing for my degree. haele Mar 2013 #77
it's certainly not trickle DOWN hfojvt Mar 2013 #79
OK - 95% of my family income going to taxes and local businesses means I'm just like the top 1% haele Mar 2013 #80
swing some more? hfojvt Mar 2013 #81
Swing away - notice that though I tell you the percentage of taxes that come out of my paycheck - haele Mar 2013 #82
Side comment - If you want to know what your vet's life of luxery is, look up kestrel91316 haele Mar 2013 #83
No it isn't... dickensknitter Mar 2013 #18
That's about twice sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #26
sounds pretty darn good to me hfojvt Mar 2013 #33
So....why, out of curiosity... A HERETIC I AM Mar 2013 #57
What is a comfortable living? hfojvt Mar 2013 #60
That is a question only you can answer A HERETIC I AM Mar 2013 #62
except you are not talking about reality hfojvt Mar 2013 #65
So the idea that the person who MAKES the product you are buying BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #40
So, what do you think would be a fair hourly wage for entry-level employees? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #41
Here's my answer BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #42
Can't support a family of 4 in the Bay Area. That's right at the poverty level. demosincebirth Mar 2013 #53
When I had an entry-level job in the 1980s I couldn't even afford an apartment of my own. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #14
And, I bet this CEO NewJeffCT Mar 2013 #15
Welcome to capitalism. nt TBF Mar 2013 #17
Message auto-removed setab Mar 2013 #19
that's what you take away from that? xchrom Mar 2013 #21
So... He's the new Jack Welch and all the MBA lemmings are following in his lead? Hugin Mar 2013 #20
And you still hear people edhopper Mar 2013 #23
But how many tee times has he sacrificed for that salary? At least, a couple. valerief Mar 2013 #24
The outsourcing was designed to lower our pay out of desperation for a job. Dustlawyer Mar 2013 #27
^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #39
Is there a profit sharing payout? n/t Mopar151 Mar 2013 #28
If we had Medicare for All, the worker's health insurance costs wouldn't be in car prices. Scuba Mar 2013 #29
It's one of those things that makes all the sense in the world, which is why it'll never happen. HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #35
Both of these are excellent responses nt BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #43
I will say this for Mullaly...he saved Ford from bankruptcy. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #31
Yup. Agschmid Mar 2013 #46
K&R. Seems like 2 million would be wonderful enough. Overseas Mar 2013 #34
you expect somebody to live on just THAT? hfojvt Mar 2013 #37
Yes indeed. He's not the only one. And stock helps things along. Overseas Mar 2013 #50
k&r n/t RainDog Mar 2013 #45
Ford is also charging 30+ grand for a new car just1voice Mar 2013 #47
Now if the executives salaries was cut by half then the company could return the workers Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #52
Nope. Do the math. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #55
On the other hand, think about this; A HERETIC I AM Mar 2013 #63
There was a little story created with CEO Mulally in mind ... lpbk2713 Mar 2013 #64
The only real problem with that scenario is this: Without Mulally, there was a very real chance Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #68
Then he's probably worth about $500,000/year salary Duer 157099 Mar 2013 #70
k & r thanks for posting..... nt Stuart G Mar 2013 #71
Ford again in the news for negative shit. Rex Mar 2013 #73
It is the xxqqqzme Mar 2013 #76
Hate to say it, but for $21 million Ford under him ignores design for style... sfpcjock Mar 2013 #84
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