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CTyankee

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177. Well, you've arrived at the answer yourself!
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 04:03 PM
Feb 2012

Income inequality has a variety of component parts that make it up. The contribution of OWS is to focus on the parts of that whole. And there are more and better ways to solve it than by coming up with dictating everyone's income by law (which isn't OWS's aim anyway). It's just harder. After all, the Civil Rights movement didn't start with Dr. King. Plenty of earlier leaders went to their graves without seeing its fruition. And Susan B. Anthony died before women got the vote.

We can start examining those parts one by one. Is it easy? Nope. This is going to take some political heavy lifting but somebody's got to start it. OWS has done that and IMO the process has begun.

The Citizens United decision must be mitigated or undone. Wall Street needs more and better regulation. The corruption of our Congress must be attacked. The rights of union members must be strengthened and protected (and hopefully helped to grow). All of these issues are parts of the problem of Income Inequality!

I wish there was a way that we who support OWS could make this easier for you and all of us. But I guess if it were easy and simple it would have already been done. We have to start somewhere. As we used to say back in the 60s, "you're either part of the solution or..."

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depends who us is mdmc Feb 2012 #1
The 99%. NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #3
ows is the only toll in the shed mdmc Feb 2012 #4
Sorry, but we have another tool... brooklynite Feb 2012 #256
I'll be doing something locally mdmc Feb 2012 #266
ows will be good for the workers mdmc Feb 2012 #2
The participation of hundreds of thousands of people all over the country EFerrari Feb 2012 #5
Hundreds of Thousands don't decide the direction of society.. millions do BrentWil Feb 2012 #8
You really would benefit from learning about horizontal movements EFerrari Feb 2012 #25
And MLK was not without armed subgroup either... ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #13
Yep. EFerrari Feb 2012 #22
Not to mention that King explicitly played Good Cop Bad Cop with the Black Power Movement as bad cop Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #299
Hundreds of thousands aren't participating. Hundreds are. TheWraith Feb 2012 #15
You couldn't be more wrong, as per usual. EFerrari Feb 2012 #24
Hundreds. Are you intentionally sounding stupid? Bonobo Feb 2012 #43
Then feel free to prove that. randome Feb 2012 #115
Wait, so you agree that the OWS 99% movement is made up of only "hundreds" of people? Bonobo Feb 2012 #224
it already has 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #57
What specific changes can you point to? CBHagman Feb 2012 #182
Did we have elections and I missed them? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #223
That's a nonanswer. I asked what the Occupy movement had accomplished. CBHagman Feb 2012 #269
No dear nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #285
Over the years the president has frequently addressed inequality, income gaps, etc. CBHagman Feb 2012 #302
Nice try dear nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #305
How nice it is to get updates from Fox News right at DU. EOTE Feb 2012 #135
If you added IN SAN DIEGO nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #216
Typical one-post, shit-stirring, conserva-post MNBrewer Feb 2012 #247
surprised there hasnt been a swarm from SwampG8r Feb 2012 #290
There are hundreds in Denver alone. donheld Feb 2012 #263
200,000 turn up for a NASCAR race jberryhill Feb 2012 #16
And they are arguably not participants but consumers. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #26
They bring tents jberryhill Feb 2012 #37
I brought tents to the Lower River campground for a decade. EFerrari Feb 2012 #255
Did you really just compare OWS to NASCAR?! Earth_First Feb 2012 #114
The mention was about numbers jberryhill Feb 2012 #187
Context kenfrequed Feb 2012 #198
I thought the analogy was spot on pintobean Feb 2012 #202
Spot on what? kenfrequed Feb 2012 #212
I don't need to pintobean Feb 2012 #219
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #264
I will post what I like without orders from you, thank you jberryhill Feb 2012 #213
Ridiculous analogy continued kenfrequed Feb 2012 #214
Hundreds of thousands? Big fucking deal leftynyc Feb 2012 #45
back to the flag again, Really? 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #58
You are right. this needs to be put in perspective. The anti-Vietnam War movement, IIRC, had its own CTyankee Feb 2012 #82
nicely said CTyankee n/t 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #83
thanks. And might I add to that, look where the pissed off citizens of Wisconsin have gone CTyankee Feb 2012 #121
well 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #127
And that movement had one clear message (nt) Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #125
and so does OWS: the 99% and the 1%. CTyankee Feb 2012 #147
The Civil Rights movement Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #155
Well, you've arrived at the answer yourself! CTyankee Feb 2012 #177
Wouldn't it make more sense Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #183
"One manifesto, and make it snappy!" CTyankee Feb 2012 #191
Sorry, but talk doesn't mean a lot to me. Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #193
The "plan" is in the numerous things that have already been started. CTyankee Feb 2012 #196
THAT is is legitimate claim Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #275
I know, you would think there would be signs like a simple pattern Feb 2012 #248
Just this morning Mika B. described Mitt as "part of the 1%." CTyankee Feb 2012 #271
I can make a sign that says Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #274
Extreme Income inequality is a great issue to focus on... BrentWil Feb 2012 #231
Please tell us what you think that is. CTyankee Feb 2012 #232
This BrentWil Feb 2012 #237
it is probably at the core of their issue. what do YOU think their great issue is? CTyankee Feb 2012 #234
I think that majority of people in the movement would agree... BrentWil Feb 2012 #238
No, their greater work has probably already been done. It got YOU to think, didn't it? CTyankee Feb 2012 #240
No, actually I was thinking about income inequality long before OWS NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #288
No actually, they would not nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #287
Then what is the core issue? BrentWil Feb 2012 #289
Once again nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #304
Uhm kenfrequed Feb 2012 #201
I pronounced it dead? Really? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #205
How odd kenfrequed Feb 2012 #215
And the Jews were agitating against slavery from Egypt Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #221
Civil rights movement was long... BrentWil Feb 2012 #239
But the context of that was eight years of GOP administrations... CBHagman Feb 2012 #185
THe protest were not the reason we got out.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #235
that is a debatable point. CTyankee Feb 2012 #270
Yawn leftynyc Feb 2012 #86
Why do you accuse a DUer of wanting to burn flags and use all that language which Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #99
Keep dreaming leftynyc Feb 2012 #141
Believe it or not ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #162
I do believe that some people are that stupid leftynyc Feb 2012 #179
I do not actually approve of the flag burning 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #117
It's a non-issue to you leftynyc Feb 2012 #142
So now it's a "strategy for a group". I thought it was a few people not the whole OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #174
If you think you're helping OWS leftynyc Feb 2012 #178
So you blame the whole group for what a few did because they didn't control it. L0oniX Feb 2012 #181
I am not blaming anyone for anything leftynyc Feb 2012 #188
You're one of the 1%? WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2012 #259
Glad I could make you laugh leftynyc Feb 2012 #265
if true SwampG8r Feb 2012 #292
+1000. Some here are like a dog with a bone wrt this flag burning by some SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #102
"made in China flag" LMFAO L0oniX Feb 2012 #172
you know who spends a lot of time going on SwampG8r Feb 2012 #291
LOL. Your post here proves the op's point. Solomon Feb 2012 #225
Um, the man's name was Bayard Rustin. EFerrari Feb 2012 #229
Curious who? Chan790 Feb 2012 #241
His name was Bayard Rustin. EFerrari Feb 2012 #253
Thank you! n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #258
So much my pleasure. EFerrari Feb 2012 #284
The civil rights movement and the labor movement percolated Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #6
The fact that you have only insults and insinuations to answer with is telling. TheWraith Feb 2012 #17
Boo fucking hoo. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #21
You are right to protect your turf. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #27
Does that include protecting one's country from illegal immigration? RZM Feb 2012 #104
What would you be protecting the country from? Tax revenue? Just sayin. EFerrari Feb 2012 #186
Like I said, I'm not trying to turn this into a thread about immigration RZM Feb 2012 #190
I don't care if OWS makes mistakes 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #60
They have not accomplished anything treestar Feb 2012 #93
That's hilarious. Considering that so many 'Supporters' here freak out at any criticism Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #87
i would think the concept of SwampG8r Feb 2012 #293
All of these arguments Hissyspit Feb 2012 #7
And the movement remains non effective, after a very brief period of being effective NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #9
I think you are a bit premature ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #14
The professor is correct. ellisonz Feb 2012 #20
non effective 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #62
really? we're not now talking about the 99% and the 1%? and not just us, but the candidates... CTyankee Feb 2012 #85
How can anybody say that it is noneffective? Obama is leading in polls. yardwork Feb 2012 #91
An improving economy will have a much bigger impact than anything that OWS does hack89 Feb 2012 #97
Nobody can prove that OWS is not effective. yardwork Feb 2012 #120
I agree. I just think the economy will have a much bigger effect hack89 Feb 2012 #123
i would argue just the opposite. barbtries Feb 2012 #161
Considering how apolitical the American populace is hack89 Feb 2012 #164
i don't doubt it. barbtries Feb 2012 #176
the wailing and gnashing here against them SwampG8r Feb 2012 #294
Change starts with one person Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #10
Andrew Breitbart and his buddies agree with you! sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #11
I think perhaps 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #63
+1 raouldukelives Feb 2012 #137
Ummm... Can I borrow your crystal ball? cbrer Feb 2012 #12
who is shitcanning the whole country? 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #64
Was that the reason? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2012 #92
Occupy isn't yet 6 months old unionworks Feb 2012 #18
And that's the other point. randome Feb 2012 #53
He takes delight? 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #66
I have never, EVER castigated anyone with OWS for 'feeding the hungry'. randome Feb 2012 #73
Incorrect. Look at this thread. A handful of DUers whines from the right against Occupy Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #81
How would YOU have stopped a large group of people from taking over a public building? randome Feb 2012 #105
The 400 arrested were not attempting to take over anything. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #146
Yes, they were pintobean Feb 2012 #149
Uh no. Most of those who were arrested were marching blocks from the Convention Center, kettled Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #184
Occupy Oakland's goal for the day pintobean Feb 2012 #200
The videos ABSOLUTELY dispute that. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #204
I guess, what you mean is, pintobean Feb 2012 #206
There is no evidence that those marching hours after the attempt to occupy the convention center Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #207
dont argue with SwampG8r Feb 2012 #295
You are the 8 ball of liberal wisdom. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #297
if you rub my belly SwampG8r Feb 2012 #298
Sometimes I really do laugh out loud. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #300
No thanks... Capitalocracy Feb 2012 #303
Bowie said it best unionworks Feb 2012 #19
+ a lot Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #23
other than CHANGING THE ENTIRE POLITICAL DISCUSSION IN DC it has not changed much lol nt msongs Feb 2012 #28
The message has gotten through leftynyc Feb 2012 #46
You're right. randome Feb 2012 #54
What bills have passed? treestar Feb 2012 #94
Delusional is expecting Occupy in 4 months to pass legislation when for 3 years all we Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #103
It is hard for the President and even Congress treestar Feb 2012 #109
But you are so wrong from the start that there is no need to read on. Here, listen. Bonobo Feb 2012 #29
I Agree 100% Bonobo HangOnKids Feb 2012 #126
+1 cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #134
i still want a rec this post button! barbtries Feb 2012 #163
well said!! dana_b Feb 2012 #197
Cheer up. You have ALREADY been proven wrong, many times over. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #30
I think I can help you out. Bonobo Feb 2012 #31
Well said! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #116
That is it exactly. This is a movement that calls into question socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #129
That is so true, really. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #195
I hope OUR spring turns out better than Egypt's FrodosPet Feb 2012 #52
yes, I see the words 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #69
There's a thought MFrohike Feb 2012 #32
The OP is essentially a conservative viewpoint. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #36
Over and over again Morning Dew Feb 2012 #39
Count the uses of the words 'discipline' and 'leaders' Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #79
Self-discipline is a conservative trait? Didn't know that. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #98
I did not say that, now did I? Putting words into other's mouths IS a conservative trait. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #106
In the context of the OP discipline = self-discipline hack89 Feb 2012 #111
No MFrohike Feb 2012 #199
OK. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #203
yes i agree. barbtries Feb 2012 #165
"Real Change" normally sucks for everyone involved.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #242
Who said anything about a revolution? JDPriestly Feb 2012 #306
Well, I thought you brought up a good point. randome Feb 2012 #55
Occupy has been pretty specific. 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #70
Then maybe you can explain what those specifics are. randome Feb 2012 #75
It's been explained to you so many times before. 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #76
A hundred OWS groups with about seventy messages. randome Feb 2012 #108
Randomness? kenfrequed Feb 2012 #208
So the message 'Things should be better'. randome Feb 2012 #218
hmm barbtries Feb 2012 #166
it started as a protest that no Wall Street bankers have pnwest Feb 2012 #33
the tell tale sign unionworks Feb 2012 #34
So you not understand leftynyc Feb 2012 #47
No, I'm saying unionworks Feb 2012 #48
Unfortunately, I think you're wrong leftynyc Feb 2012 #56
Great! kenfrequed Feb 2012 #211
So how did the flag burners get the Vietnam protests condemned??? L0oniX Feb 2012 #132
Different time leftynyc Feb 2012 #143
We are being drafted into an unpopular serfdom. L0oniX Feb 2012 #144
Good luck with the hyperbole leftynyc Feb 2012 #145
Good luck with your anti OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #148
LOL - so now leftynyc Feb 2012 #152
Nice reframe. L0oniX Feb 2012 #167
Your Condescendence Burns HangOnKids Feb 2012 #173
Beats making a decent argument, I guess leftynyc Feb 2012 #180
But...but.... unionworks Feb 2012 #160
So true. It's obvious there are so called "Dems" that are happy to attack OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #168
not that surprising 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #72
It's discusting to see people who claim to be Dem attack OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #133
Today, I saw a video of Mitt Romney professing that he is on the side JDPriestly Feb 2012 #35
Totally agree unionworks Feb 2012 #38
does every opinion have to be one crazy extreme or the other!? Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #40
thank you. barbtries Feb 2012 #170
I don't agree nt Raine Feb 2012 #41
I guess that's why the meme has changed and we're now discussing malaise Feb 2012 #42
According to you, who is "us". Maybe THAT is the best question. nt Bonobo Feb 2012 #44
I wholeheartedly disagree. blue neen Feb 2012 #49
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #50
+100 n/t Earth_First Feb 2012 #65
The hidden post above is harsh but factually correct. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #78
Pap Broderick Feb 2012 #51
Compare OWS with The Wisc Recall Movement and the Ohio Backlash Against Kasich Yavin4 Feb 2012 #59
Excellent points! randome Feb 2012 #68
So what has the recall movement really done? Last time I looked....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #136
The Recall Movement in Ohio Over-Turned Kasich's Anti-Union Bill Yavin4 Feb 2012 #228
Yep, it did overturn the Kasich anti union bill......... socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #286
Agree 100% As it currently operates, OWS will not accomplish anything substantive. - nt badtoworse Feb 2012 #61
"Us" HughBeaumont Feb 2012 #67
This. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #90
WHen have I supported "unbridled capitalism" BrentWil Feb 2012 #244
Here you go... trumad Feb 2012 #71
heheheh SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #118
Oohh pretty nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #220
OWS has already done enough to refute this OP stevenleser Feb 2012 #74
OWS changed the narrative Broderick Feb 2012 #89
Do you think the Tea Party took the winter off? hack89 Feb 2012 #100
The tea party changed the narrative for awhile, but that has drifted into obscurity imo Broderick Feb 2012 #107
Believe that if you wish. hack89 Feb 2012 #113
No they are in many places, as you must know. It's in the public discourse now, like it or not... CTyankee Feb 2012 #243
The Tea Party is in the public discourse too - the war has not been won yet. hack89 Feb 2012 #257
Unfortunately, there will always be some in the American populace who are, for one reason or CTyankee Feb 2012 #272
And since those closed minded people have amassed significant political power hack89 Feb 2012 #280
Of course. NOthing is guaranteed. CTyankee Feb 2012 #281
You can relax as you are already wrong. Toweringly so. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #77
Again SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #119
+1 L0oniX Feb 2012 #131
Very well said. pa28 Feb 2012 #210
It already has been a success. And it's only 4 months old. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #80
If it so happens, aka-chmeee Feb 2012 #84
Here ProSense Feb 2012 #88
"I hope to be proved wrong. " greytdemocrat Feb 2012 #95
They are so irrelevant you had to write a post about them... SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #96
Yes, they are relevant. pintobean Feb 2012 #101
They rarely ARE in the news. randome Feb 2012 #112
Occupy Philadelphia alone seems to have 70 different messages... MadrasT Feb 2012 #124
Thank you for your concern. aquart Feb 2012 #158
OWS seems to have some problems with lack of leadership but it is very relevant. Jennicut Feb 2012 #110
Yup, all successful protest groups were HUGE HITS OVERNIGHT joeybee12 Feb 2012 #122
Thank you! For another way of saying Occupy scares the hell out of one percenters. (nt) (nr) T S Justly Feb 2012 #128
Mitt is actually helping OWS. I make it a point to say this to most people .... L0oniX Feb 2012 #130
Give it time. Rex Feb 2012 #138
It already has changed the political discussion in this country ~ Hellooooo??????? jillan Feb 2012 #139
oh yay. psyops. Matariki Feb 2012 #140
! hootinholler Feb 2012 #150
lol Matariki Feb 2012 #189
They have already made a difference Marrah_G Feb 2012 #151
HAHAHA... Fear fascisthunter Feb 2012 #153
Everybody all together now... backscatter712 Feb 2012 #154
OWS has captured my heart and mind. barbtries Feb 2012 #156
Thank you for your concern. aquart Feb 2012 #157
I, sir, do not belong to whatever you think is "us." JackRiddler Feb 2012 #159
... Blue_In_AK Feb 2012 #169
I think the flag burning has revealed ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #171
Typical status quo BS. nt TBF Feb 2012 #175
Flamebait. tabasco Feb 2012 #192
+1 gazillion and furthermore- BeHereNow Feb 2012 #194
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2012 #209
Brent I coud have used this post of yours nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #217
Looks like you got a resounding thrashing Kaleko Feb 2012 #222
Wow over 400 replies unionworks Feb 2012 #226
What thread are you referring to? pintobean Feb 2012 #230
I'm sorry unionworks Feb 2012 #245
Haha... DUzy! fascisthunter Feb 2012 #277
Ummmm perhaps you are talking about OWS on another planet? Zalatix Feb 2012 #227
"I hope to be proved wrong." marmar Feb 2012 #233
See here: morningfog Feb 2012 #236
For the real message unionworks Feb 2012 #246
opps! my mistake unionworks Feb 2012 #251
Most on DU claiming to want a more progressive society. bluestate10 Feb 2012 #249
Agreed, scared shitless of things getting worse, they vote for incrementally more conservative Bonobo Feb 2012 #250
well done! fascisthunter Feb 2012 #278
How silly of us to think that Republicans using OWS language to attack each other-- eridani Feb 2012 #252
Us? Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #254
Obviously written by someone who's only exposer to OWS is what has been in the MSM donheld Feb 2012 #260
OWS is not a leaderless group. Everybody is a leader. donheld Feb 2012 #261
. donheld Feb 2012 #262
I know that my opinion is in the minority, but ... Tx4obama Feb 2012 #267
There's actually more tradition to this than one might think. ellisonz Feb 2012 #301
OWS's enemies are not relevant as a movement. mmonk Feb 2012 #268
You got that right! Rex Feb 2012 #283
Before the ink was dry on the Declaration of Independence Generic Other Feb 2012 #273
+1 ellisonz Feb 2012 #282
See also here: morningfog Feb 2012 #276
What a pile of crapola n/t Spazito Feb 2012 #279
there is an invention SwampG8r Feb 2012 #296
Is anything new going on with OWS that would make me rethink the OP BrentWil Feb 2012 #307
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