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28. Right. There isn't a single politically savvy person that would have advised a veto
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 10:53 AM
Mar 2013

and that includes Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, and loads of progressive members of Congress.

A bit of history.

The budget resolution was introduced in the House on March 4. It passed the House on March 6 by a vote of 267-151, with a substantial majority of Democrats opposing the bill as then drafted (and virtually all repubs supporting it). It did not, as I understand it, contain the Monstanto provision.

The bill then went to the Senate, where an amended version (including the Monsanto language) passed by 73-26 on March 20. The only Democrat to oppose this amended version was Tester of Montana.

The bill then went back to the House, which passed the Senate version by a vote of 318-109 on March 21. Unlike the original version, this version garnered the support of a majority of House Democrats (going from 53 in support to 115 in support).

The version that originally passed the House over Democratic opposition was around 270 pages long. The revised version that passed with majority Democratic support was nearly 500 pages long. The additional language reflected a number of compromises, including but far from limited to the inclusion of the Monsanto language. There was enough "good stuff" added to the bill that a majority of the House Democrats were willing to support it, even with the Monsanto language, even though a majority had opposed it before the various compromises.

That's how legislation is made. Its not pretty, but its the process of give and take by which things get done if and when they get done.

So at this point, the bill is sent to the WH. Now, in theory, the president could've singled out the Monsanto provision and, notwithstanding the other things in the bill (not the least of which was keeping the government running), he could've vetoed it. Now, at this point, both Houses were in the process of adjourning for the Easter week. But, in theory, the president could've forced them back to work at the risk of shutting down the government.

The veto override would not give members an opportunity to vote on a version without the Monsanto language. It would have been an up or down vote on the bill as passed and vetoed. If Democrats switched their vote and sustained the veto, the government would have faced the threat of shutdown and there is absolutely no doubt who would take the heat for creating that situation -- the Democrats who had voted to fund the government and then switched their votes not to fund the government.

As for the process of then going about getting a vote on a Monsanto-less version, keep in mind that there are literally dozens of provisions that were included in the final version as part of various compromises. Pull one string, and the whole thing begins to unravel. The odds of putting humpty-dumpty back together again in the amount of time available would not be great. The repubs would have no reason to help avoid a shutdown since blame for it would clearly fall on the Democrats this time (for having reversed position).

Again, no one with an ounce of political savvy was going to suggest the President veto the bill. No. One.



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Kick for ProSense Mar 2013 #1
k&r... spanone Mar 2013 #2
Of course if you stop paying ransoma out, blackmail doesn't work. However, since sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #3
All the ProSense Mar 2013 #4
Monsanto and the Republicans are thrilled also, Democrats and consumers sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #12
Again, ProSense Mar 2013 #15
Thankfully, the President is more pragmatic than his armchair critics. K&R. nt Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #5
And the Culture of Personality serves .. 99Forever Mar 2013 #6
LOL! ProSense Mar 2013 #7
A jury voted to leave this post 6-0. nt pintobean Mar 2013 #9
Good ProSense Mar 2013 #10
Good jury. woo me with science Mar 2013 #32
And that's ProSense Mar 2013 #58
Yes, and that is why we keep losing. I admire the Republicans and their Corporate sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #13
Yeah, ProSense Mar 2013 #14
Sneak? They didn't sneak anything into the bill. In fact sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #16
What exactly ProSense Mar 2013 #18
Vetoing the bill would avert a Government shut down? sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #35
LOL! Read it again. n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #38
FYI: ProSense Mar 2013 #31
So you are saying that Obama and staff... 99Forever Mar 2013 #20
No, ProSense Mar 2013 #21
Your words, mam: 99Forever Mar 2013 #22
Your point makes no sense. n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #24
Not when you live in a constant state of denial, I'm sure. 99Forever Mar 2013 #25
How's the weather there? ProSense Mar 2013 #26
Again you have nothing. 99Forever Mar 2013 #27
Drivel! ProSense Mar 2013 #29
I've never admired people who know what they want and know how to get it treestar Mar 2013 #19
I've never admired anyone who works against the people, whether sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #23
Isn't that ProSense Mar 2013 #61
No, not at all. I admire their ability to get what they want, not THEM. Because sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #62
So it's ProSense Mar 2013 #66
to make it as easy as possible you should just SwampG8r Mar 2013 #72
The comment is a response to the constant claims that Republicans cannot be sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #80
we agree SwampG8r Apr 2013 #97
They take a knife to a gun fight Mnpaul Mar 2013 #34
And, there you are.. hurling insults again. Cha Mar 2013 #83
Thanks for putting an exclamation point on my comment. 99Forever Mar 2013 #87
I know you.. you're always flinging ignorant personal attacks. Cha Mar 2013 #88
FACTS are a "weak sauce excuse"? jazzimov Mar 2013 #91
anti-Obamites??? 99Forever Mar 2013 #93
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Only those oblivious to the disasterous effects of the sequestering action could advocate shutting grantcart Mar 2013 #11
There's a threat of government shut down every time treestar Mar 2013 #17
Right. There isn't a single politically savvy person that would have advised a veto onenote Mar 2013 #28
You're thrilled when the President takes a dump. woo me with science Mar 2013 #30
Vile disgusting drivel. ProSense Mar 2013 #33
Sometimes the incessant, shameless, vile commercials woo me with science Mar 2013 #36
"You're thrilled when the President takes a dump." ProSense Mar 2013 #37
+1 nt 2naSalit Mar 2013 #45
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I kicked that 2naSalit Mar 2013 #50
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No, ProSense Mar 2013 #54
and now 2naSalit Mar 2013 #56
LOL! ProSense Mar 2013 #57
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"like the pigs in animal farm who shouted up ever 'accomplishment' of napoleon" ProSense Mar 2013 #76
^^^ This... SidDithers Mar 2013 #92
no i was not SwampG8r Apr 2013 #96
^^^ This truebrit71 Mar 2013 #75
first thought SwampG8r Mar 2013 #70
By law, aren't you supposed to have one of those "I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message" Marr Mar 2013 #39
+1 woo me with science Mar 2013 #40
Peanut gallery? ProSense Mar 2013 #42
It's too bad there isn't a law against stupid. n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #41
Sorry, but sometimes your shilling is just comedic. Marr Mar 2013 #43
LOL! ProSense Mar 2013 #44
I am utterly shocked that you are thrilled. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #46
I'm shocked that you're "shocked" ProSense Mar 2013 #47
I don't believe it is possible to top your sadly desperate, and inappropriate adulation. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #59
Here you are worrying about me and ProSense Mar 2013 #60
The fact that you are seemingly compelled to reply again and again to any and every comment Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #69
And ProSense Mar 2013 #78
Once again, no evidence, no reply, and no sense. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #81
Actually, ProSense Mar 2013 #85
Completely and utterly hopeless. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #94
It's ProSense Apr 2013 #95
Adding this: ProSense Mar 2013 #49
Has he ever done anything that you AREN'T thrilled by? LWolf Mar 2013 #52
Senator Cruz? ProSense Mar 2013 #55
So true! +1000 Logical Mar 2013 #65
What's "true"? ProSense Mar 2013 #67
from upthread it seems SwampG8r Mar 2013 #73
1%ers are of course thrilled. MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #63
Are you a one percenter? ProSense Mar 2013 #64
Gone so soon? ProSense Mar 2013 #79
1%ers are thrilled by the gopricks? Yeah. Cha Mar 2013 #89
K&R freshwest Mar 2013 #68
Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #74
Obviously ProSense Mar 2013 #77
Glad that one got hidden. If they only knew how Cha Mar 2013 #86
More info ProSense Mar 2013 #82
KnR Hekate Mar 2013 #84
Kick for the night! burrowowl Mar 2013 #90
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