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CreekDog

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6. yes, but there are times when pedestrians with a green have to wait for a walk signal to cross

Fri Mar 29, 2013, 04:07 PM

Mar 2013

so overall, it doesn't really change the waiting at the intersection, it simply allocates the intersection time for cars and time for people and attempts to keep them separated, whereas the old model puts them at odds by placing both in the crosswalks because the signaling has them crossing at the same time.

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Most signaled intersections are unsafe, here's why [View all] CreekDog Mar 2013 OP

Like Montgomery St in San Francisco arcane1 Mar 2013 #1

So the cars just have to wait? siligut Mar 2013 #4

yes, but there are times when pedestrians with a green have to wait for a walk signal to cross CreekDog Mar 2013 #6

There are intersections in downtown Seattle where a car cannot make a right turn due to peds siligut Mar 2013 #11

Right, that's the point of segregated signaling for cars and pedestrians CreekDog Mar 2013 #12

I have to agree, make it simple to understand and thus safe siligut Mar 2013 #14

my point exactly CreekDog Mar 2013 #35

that's one of the good solutions and there are many places in SF like this CreekDog Mar 2013 #23

I don't know? Has there been a run on pedestrians being mowed down by cars recently? notadmblnd Mar 2013 #2

yes, pedestrians re hit by cars while legally in the crosswalk all the time CreekDog Mar 2013 #3

maybe the soultion would be to post a traffic cop at the intersection to insure notadmblnd Mar 2013 #5

why are you being obtuse about this? there is a solution and i told you what it was CreekDog Mar 2013 #8

The signals do not give the car the right of way notadmblnd Mar 2013 #15

wtf? you don't want your tax dollars spent to adjust streetlight timing? they already are. CreekDog Mar 2013 #16

Whatever- notadmblnd Mar 2013 #21

yes, that's exactly why I criticized you CreekDog Mar 2013 #22

I never said anything against changing the signal nor did I say anything for it notadmblnd Mar 2013 #25

you said that an adult should be able to cross an intersection on their own CreekDog Mar 2013 #26

I never said any of that. You inserted that into what I wrote and made assumptions notadmblnd Mar 2013 #27

yes, you said this:"I also think that a grown adult should be able to cross a street on their own." CreekDog Mar 2013 #29

I did say that I think a grown adult should know how to cross the street notadmblnd Mar 2013 #32

if the signals are out, it's a four way stop for cars and crossing should be easy actually CreekDog Mar 2013 #33

I'm not attempting or deciding anything notadmblnd Mar 2013 #34

Maybe these cities should issue pintobean Mar 2013 #36

so you're saying that someone in a wheelchair needs to pass a walking exam? CreekDog Mar 2013 #38

I'm sure the ADA would require accommodations pintobean Mar 2013 #42

you don't support any kind of measures like this so I don't believe you are being sincere CreekDog Mar 2013 #45

Want to cut pedestrian deaths? Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #7

It sounds like it slows traffic but it actually helps traffic ultimately CreekDog Mar 2013 #9

Yes, the ALL RED cut down the number of cycles. Gormy Cuss Mar 2013 #10

yes, the current system falls apart when pressed CreekDog Mar 2013 #13

What are these Barcodes on the pavement? One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #17

most signals where people live don't have fewer than two pedestrians per hour CreekDog Mar 2013 #18

I am east coast. One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #19

when you say "most" please understand that "most" Americans are urbanites in cities and suburbs CreekDog Mar 2013 #20

I'm not sure how I should evaluate theis discussion tech3149 Mar 2013 #24

how is one supposed to hear a car, often a Prius, approaching them from behind in a noisy city? CreekDog Mar 2013 #30

That's one thing I worry about as a cyclist bhikkhu Mar 2013 #41

I'm not sure what your argument is tech3149 Mar 2013 #43

People or intersections with illuminated signals One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #28

where did i say that all rural areas should have these improvements? CreekDog Mar 2013 #31

ALL RED for pedestrians is an excellent idea struggle4progress Mar 2013 #37

yes, it's not only safer, it's more efficient for drivers and pedestrians CreekDog Mar 2013 #39

Thanks for the helpful talking points struggle4progress Mar 2013 #40

I almost got hit twice yesterday at the same intersection. Brigid Mar 2013 #44

I see these near misses daily --drivers turning through crosswalks need to be slowing down at least CreekDog Mar 2013 #46