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kenfrequed

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201. Uhm

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 05:36 PM

Feb 2012

How long was the civil rights movement by the way?

How many decades was the struggle. How many decades is the struggle?

Are you pronouncing it dead after six months?

Are you suggesting it needs leaders or that they must have a platform ready to go already?

Please. Do yourself a favor and study the complete civil rights movement and all the stumbles and struggles between the great moments that you envision. The struggle of a social movement is a process and anyone that wants to write off OWS and the movements that will follow it now that they have put the ideas into the consciousness and the media.

The struggle will continue with or despite people who seem to exist only to snipe, trip, mock, or knife its best intentions and the hopes and idealism of those involved.

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OWS isn't a Relevant Movement to Change Society and May Hurt Us More then It Helps Us [View all] BrentWil Feb 2012 OP

depends who us is mdmc Feb 2012 #1

The 99%. NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #3

ows is the only toll in the shed mdmc Feb 2012 #4

Sorry, but we have another tool... brooklynite Feb 2012 #256

I'll be doing something locally mdmc Feb 2012 #266

ows will be good for the workers mdmc Feb 2012 #2

The participation of hundreds of thousands of people all over the country EFerrari Feb 2012 #5

Hundreds of Thousands don't decide the direction of society.. millions do BrentWil Feb 2012 #8

You really would benefit from learning about horizontal movements EFerrari Feb 2012 #25

And MLK was not without armed subgroup either... ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #13

Yep. EFerrari Feb 2012 #22

Not to mention that King explicitly played Good Cop Bad Cop with the Black Power Movement as bad cop Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #299

Hundreds of thousands aren't participating. Hundreds are. TheWraith Feb 2012 #15

You couldn't be more wrong, as per usual. EFerrari Feb 2012 #24

Hundreds. Are you intentionally sounding stupid? Bonobo Feb 2012 #43

Then feel free to prove that. randome Feb 2012 #115

Wait, so you agree that the OWS 99% movement is made up of only "hundreds" of people? Bonobo Feb 2012 #224

it already has 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #57

What specific changes can you point to? CBHagman Feb 2012 #182

Did we have elections and I missed them? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #223

That's a nonanswer. I asked what the Occupy movement had accomplished. CBHagman Feb 2012 #269

No dear nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #285

Over the years the president has frequently addressed inequality, income gaps, etc. CBHagman Feb 2012 #302

Nice try dear nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #305

How nice it is to get updates from Fox News right at DU. EOTE Feb 2012 #135

If you added IN SAN DIEGO nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #216

Typical one-post, shit-stirring, conserva-post MNBrewer Feb 2012 #247

surprised there hasnt been a swarm from SwampG8r Feb 2012 #290

There are hundreds in Denver alone. donheld Feb 2012 #263

200,000 turn up for a NASCAR race jberryhill Feb 2012 #16

And they are arguably not participants but consumers. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #26

They bring tents jberryhill Feb 2012 #37

I brought tents to the Lower River campground for a decade. EFerrari Feb 2012 #255

Did you really just compare OWS to NASCAR?! Earth_First Feb 2012 #114

The mention was about numbers jberryhill Feb 2012 #187

Context kenfrequed Feb 2012 #198

I thought the analogy was spot on pintobean Feb 2012 #202

Spot on what? kenfrequed Feb 2012 #212

I don't need to pintobean Feb 2012 #219

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #264

I will post what I like without orders from you, thank you jberryhill Feb 2012 #213

Ridiculous analogy continued kenfrequed Feb 2012 #214

Hundreds of thousands? Big fucking deal leftynyc Feb 2012 #45

back to the flag again, Really? 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #58

You are right. this needs to be put in perspective. The anti-Vietnam War movement, IIRC, had its own CTyankee Feb 2012 #82

nicely said CTyankee n/t 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #83

thanks. And might I add to that, look where the pissed off citizens of Wisconsin have gone CTyankee Feb 2012 #121

well 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #127

And that movement had one clear message (nt) Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #125

and so does OWS: the 99% and the 1%. CTyankee Feb 2012 #147

The Civil Rights movement Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #155

Well, you've arrived at the answer yourself! CTyankee Feb 2012 #177

Wouldn't it make more sense Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #183

"One manifesto, and make it snappy!" CTyankee Feb 2012 #191

Sorry, but talk doesn't mean a lot to me. Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #193

The "plan" is in the numerous things that have already been started. CTyankee Feb 2012 #196

THAT is is legitimate claim Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #275

I know, you would think there would be signs like a simple pattern Feb 2012 #248

Just this morning Mika B. described Mitt as "part of the 1%." CTyankee Feb 2012 #271

I can make a sign that says Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #274

Extreme Income inequality is a great issue to focus on... BrentWil Feb 2012 #231

Please tell us what you think that is. CTyankee Feb 2012 #232

This BrentWil Feb 2012 #237

it is probably at the core of their issue. what do YOU think their great issue is? CTyankee Feb 2012 #234

I think that majority of people in the movement would agree... BrentWil Feb 2012 #238

No, their greater work has probably already been done. It got YOU to think, didn't it? CTyankee Feb 2012 #240

No, actually I was thinking about income inequality long before OWS NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #288

No actually, they would not nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #287

Then what is the core issue? BrentWil Feb 2012 #289

Once again nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #304

Uhm kenfrequed Feb 2012 #201

I pronounced it dead? Really? Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #205

How odd kenfrequed Feb 2012 #215

And the Jews were agitating against slavery from Egypt Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #221

Civil rights movement was long... BrentWil Feb 2012 #239

But the context of that was eight years of GOP administrations... CBHagman Feb 2012 #185

THe protest were not the reason we got out.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #235

that is a debatable point. CTyankee Feb 2012 #270

Yawn leftynyc Feb 2012 #86

Why do you accuse a DUer of wanting to burn flags and use all that language which Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #99

Keep dreaming leftynyc Feb 2012 #141

Believe it or not ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #162

I do believe that some people are that stupid leftynyc Feb 2012 #179

I do not actually approve of the flag burning 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #117

It's a non-issue to you leftynyc Feb 2012 #142

So now it's a "strategy for a group". I thought it was a few people not the whole OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #174

If you think you're helping OWS leftynyc Feb 2012 #178

So you blame the whole group for what a few did because they didn't control it. L0oniX Feb 2012 #181

I am not blaming anyone for anything leftynyc Feb 2012 #188

You're one of the 1%? WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2012 #259

Glad I could make you laugh leftynyc Feb 2012 #265

if true SwampG8r Feb 2012 #292

+1000. Some here are like a dog with a bone wrt this flag burning by some SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #102

"made in China flag" LMFAO L0oniX Feb 2012 #172

you know who spends a lot of time going on SwampG8r Feb 2012 #291

LOL. Your post here proves the op's point. Solomon Feb 2012 #225

Um, the man's name was Bayard Rustin. EFerrari Feb 2012 #229

Curious who? Chan790 Feb 2012 #241

His name was Bayard Rustin. EFerrari Feb 2012 #253

Thank you! n/t Chan790 Feb 2012 #258

So much my pleasure. EFerrari Feb 2012 #284

The civil rights movement and the labor movement percolated Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #6

The fact that you have only insults and insinuations to answer with is telling. TheWraith Feb 2012 #17

Boo fucking hoo. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #21

You are right to protect your turf. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #27

Does that include protecting one's country from illegal immigration? RZM Feb 2012 #104

What would you be protecting the country from? Tax revenue? Just sayin. EFerrari Feb 2012 #186

Like I said, I'm not trying to turn this into a thread about immigration RZM Feb 2012 #190

I don't care if OWS makes mistakes 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #60

They have not accomplished anything treestar Feb 2012 #93

That's hilarious. Considering that so many 'Supporters' here freak out at any criticism Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #87

i would think the concept of SwampG8r Feb 2012 #293

All of these arguments Hissyspit Feb 2012 #7

And the movement remains non effective, after a very brief period of being effective NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #9

I think you are a bit premature ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #14

The professor is correct. ellisonz Feb 2012 #20

non effective 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #62

really? we're not now talking about the 99% and the 1%? and not just us, but the candidates... CTyankee Feb 2012 #85

How can anybody say that it is noneffective? Obama is leading in polls. yardwork Feb 2012 #91

An improving economy will have a much bigger impact than anything that OWS does hack89 Feb 2012 #97

Nobody can prove that OWS is not effective. yardwork Feb 2012 #120

I agree. I just think the economy will have a much bigger effect hack89 Feb 2012 #123

i would argue just the opposite. barbtries Feb 2012 #161

Considering how apolitical the American populace is hack89 Feb 2012 #164

i don't doubt it. barbtries Feb 2012 #176

the wailing and gnashing here against them SwampG8r Feb 2012 #294

Change starts with one person Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #10

Andrew Breitbart and his buddies agree with you! sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #11

I think perhaps 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #63

+1 raouldukelives Feb 2012 #137

Ummm... Can I borrow your crystal ball? cbrer Feb 2012 #12

who is shitcanning the whole country? 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #64

Was that the reason? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2012 #92

Occupy isn't yet 6 months old unionworks Feb 2012 #18

And that's the other point. randome Feb 2012 #53

He takes delight? 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #66

I have never, EVER castigated anyone with OWS for 'feeding the hungry'. randome Feb 2012 #73

Incorrect. Look at this thread. A handful of DUers whines from the right against Occupy Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #81

How would YOU have stopped a large group of people from taking over a public building? randome Feb 2012 #105

The 400 arrested were not attempting to take over anything. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #146

Yes, they were pintobean Feb 2012 #149

Uh no. Most of those who were arrested were marching blocks from the Convention Center, kettled Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #184

Occupy Oakland's goal for the day pintobean Feb 2012 #200

The videos ABSOLUTELY dispute that. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #204

I guess, what you mean is, pintobean Feb 2012 #206

There is no evidence that those marching hours after the attempt to occupy the convention center Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #207

dont argue with SwampG8r Feb 2012 #295

You are the 8 ball of liberal wisdom. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #297

if you rub my belly SwampG8r Feb 2012 #298

Sometimes I really do laugh out loud. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #300

No thanks... Capitalocracy Feb 2012 #303

Bowie said it best unionworks Feb 2012 #19

+ a lot Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #23

other than CHANGING THE ENTIRE POLITICAL DISCUSSION IN DC it has not changed much lol nt msongs Feb 2012 #28

The message has gotten through leftynyc Feb 2012 #46

You're right. randome Feb 2012 #54

What bills have passed? treestar Feb 2012 #94

Delusional is expecting Occupy in 4 months to pass legislation when for 3 years all we Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #103

It is hard for the President and even Congress treestar Feb 2012 #109

But you are so wrong from the start that there is no need to read on. Here, listen. Bonobo Feb 2012 #29

I Agree 100% Bonobo HangOnKids Feb 2012 #126

+1 cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #134

i still want a rec this post button! barbtries Feb 2012 #163

well said!! dana_b Feb 2012 #197

Cheer up. You have ALREADY been proven wrong, many times over. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #30

I think I can help you out. Bonobo Feb 2012 #31

Well said! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #116

That is it exactly. This is a movement that calls into question socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #129

That is so true, really. 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #195

I hope OUR spring turns out better than Egypt's FrodosPet Feb 2012 #52

yes, I see the words 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #69

There's a thought MFrohike Feb 2012 #32

The OP is essentially a conservative viewpoint. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #36

Over and over again Morning Dew Feb 2012 #39

Count the uses of the words 'discipline' and 'leaders' Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #79

Self-discipline is a conservative trait? Didn't know that. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #98

I did not say that, now did I? Putting words into other's mouths IS a conservative trait. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #106

In the context of the OP discipline = self-discipline hack89 Feb 2012 #111

No MFrohike Feb 2012 #199

OK. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #203

yes i agree. barbtries Feb 2012 #165

"Real Change" normally sucks for everyone involved.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #242

Who said anything about a revolution? JDPriestly Feb 2012 #306

Well, I thought you brought up a good point. randome Feb 2012 #55

Occupy has been pretty specific. 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #70

Then maybe you can explain what those specifics are. randome Feb 2012 #75

It's been explained to you so many times before. 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #76

A hundred OWS groups with about seventy messages. randome Feb 2012 #108

Randomness? kenfrequed Feb 2012 #208

So the message 'Things should be better'. randome Feb 2012 #218

hmm barbtries Feb 2012 #166

it started as a protest that no Wall Street bankers have pnwest Feb 2012 #33

the tell tale sign unionworks Feb 2012 #34

So you not understand leftynyc Feb 2012 #47

No, I'm saying unionworks Feb 2012 #48

Unfortunately, I think you're wrong leftynyc Feb 2012 #56

Great! kenfrequed Feb 2012 #211

So how did the flag burners get the Vietnam protests condemned??? L0oniX Feb 2012 #132

Different time leftynyc Feb 2012 #143

We are being drafted into an unpopular serfdom. L0oniX Feb 2012 #144

Good luck with the hyperbole leftynyc Feb 2012 #145

Good luck with your anti OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #148

LOL - so now leftynyc Feb 2012 #152

Nice reframe. L0oniX Feb 2012 #167

Your Condescendence Burns HangOnKids Feb 2012 #173

Beats making a decent argument, I guess leftynyc Feb 2012 #180

But...but.... unionworks Feb 2012 #160

So true. It's obvious there are so called "Dems" that are happy to attack OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #168

not that surprising 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #72

It's discusting to see people who claim to be Dem attack OWS. L0oniX Feb 2012 #133

Today, I saw a video of Mitt Romney professing that he is on the side JDPriestly Feb 2012 #35

Totally agree unionworks Feb 2012 #38

does every opinion have to be one crazy extreme or the other!? Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #40

thank you. barbtries Feb 2012 #170

I don't agree nt Raine Feb 2012 #41

I guess that's why the meme has changed and we're now discussing malaise Feb 2012 #42

According to you, who is "us". Maybe THAT is the best question. nt Bonobo Feb 2012 #44

I wholeheartedly disagree. blue neen Feb 2012 #49

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #50

+100 n/t Earth_First Feb 2012 #65

The hidden post above is harsh but factually correct. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #78

Pap Broderick Feb 2012 #51

Compare OWS with The Wisc Recall Movement and the Ohio Backlash Against Kasich Yavin4 Feb 2012 #59

Excellent points! randome Feb 2012 #68

So what has the recall movement really done? Last time I looked....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #136

The Recall Movement in Ohio Over-Turned Kasich's Anti-Union Bill Yavin4 Feb 2012 #228

Yep, it did overturn the Kasich anti union bill......... socialist_n_TN Feb 2012 #286

Agree 100% As it currently operates, OWS will not accomplish anything substantive. - nt badtoworse Feb 2012 #61

"Us" HughBeaumont Feb 2012 #67

This. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #90

WHen have I supported "unbridled capitalism" BrentWil Feb 2012 #244

Here you go... trumad Feb 2012 #71

heheheh SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #118

Oohh pretty nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #220

OWS has already done enough to refute this OP stevenleser Feb 2012 #74

OWS changed the narrative Broderick Feb 2012 #89

Do you think the Tea Party took the winter off? hack89 Feb 2012 #100

The tea party changed the narrative for awhile, but that has drifted into obscurity imo Broderick Feb 2012 #107

Believe that if you wish. hack89 Feb 2012 #113

No they are in many places, as you must know. It's in the public discourse now, like it or not... CTyankee Feb 2012 #243

The Tea Party is in the public discourse too - the war has not been won yet. hack89 Feb 2012 #257

Unfortunately, there will always be some in the American populace who are, for one reason or CTyankee Feb 2012 #272

And since those closed minded people have amassed significant political power hack89 Feb 2012 #280

Of course. NOthing is guaranteed. CTyankee Feb 2012 #281

You can relax as you are already wrong. Toweringly so. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #77

Again SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #119

+1 L0oniX Feb 2012 #131

Very well said. pa28 Feb 2012 #210

It already has been a success. And it's only 4 months old. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #80

If it so happens, aka-chmeee Feb 2012 #84

Here ProSense Feb 2012 #88

"I hope to be proved wrong. " greytdemocrat Feb 2012 #95

They are so irrelevant you had to write a post about them... SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #96

Yes, they are relevant. pintobean Feb 2012 #101

They rarely ARE in the news. randome Feb 2012 #112

Occupy Philadelphia alone seems to have 70 different messages... MadrasT Feb 2012 #124

Thank you for your concern. aquart Feb 2012 #158

OWS seems to have some problems with lack of leadership but it is very relevant. Jennicut Feb 2012 #110

Yup, all successful protest groups were HUGE HITS OVERNIGHT joeybee12 Feb 2012 #122

Thank you! For another way of saying Occupy scares the hell out of one percenters. (nt) (nr) T S Justly Feb 2012 #128

Mitt is actually helping OWS. I make it a point to say this to most people .... L0oniX Feb 2012 #130

Give it time. Rex Feb 2012 #138

It already has changed the political discussion in this country ~ Hellooooo??????? jillan Feb 2012 #139

oh yay. psyops. Matariki Feb 2012 #140

! hootinholler Feb 2012 #150

lol Matariki Feb 2012 #189

They have already made a difference Marrah_G Feb 2012 #151

HAHAHA... Fear fascisthunter Feb 2012 #153

Everybody all together now... backscatter712 Feb 2012 #154

OWS has captured my heart and mind. barbtries Feb 2012 #156

Thank you for your concern. aquart Feb 2012 #157

I, sir, do not belong to whatever you think is "us." JackRiddler Feb 2012 #159

... Blue_In_AK Feb 2012 #169

I think the flag burning has revealed ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #171

Typical status quo BS. nt TBF Feb 2012 #175

Flamebait. tabasco Feb 2012 #192

+1 gazillion and furthermore- BeHereNow Feb 2012 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Feb 2012 #209

Brent I coud have used this post of yours nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #217

Looks like you got a resounding thrashing Kaleko Feb 2012 #222

Wow over 400 replies unionworks Feb 2012 #226

What thread are you referring to? pintobean Feb 2012 #230

I'm sorry unionworks Feb 2012 #245

Haha... DUzy! fascisthunter Feb 2012 #277

Ummmm perhaps you are talking about OWS on another planet? Zalatix Feb 2012 #227

"I hope to be proved wrong." marmar Feb 2012 #233

See here: morningfog Feb 2012 #236

For the real message unionworks Feb 2012 #246

opps! my mistake unionworks Feb 2012 #251

Most on DU claiming to want a more progressive society. bluestate10 Feb 2012 #249

Agreed, scared shitless of things getting worse, they vote for incrementally more conservative Bonobo Feb 2012 #250

well done! fascisthunter Feb 2012 #278

How silly of us to think that Republicans using OWS language to attack each other-- eridani Feb 2012 #252

Us? Cali_Democrat Feb 2012 #254

Obviously written by someone who's only exposer to OWS is what has been in the MSM donheld Feb 2012 #260

OWS is not a leaderless group. Everybody is a leader. donheld Feb 2012 #261

. donheld Feb 2012 #262

I know that my opinion is in the minority, but ... Tx4obama Feb 2012 #267

There's actually more tradition to this than one might think. ellisonz Feb 2012 #301

OWS's enemies are not relevant as a movement. mmonk Feb 2012 #268

You got that right! Rex Feb 2012 #283

Before the ink was dry on the Declaration of Independence Generic Other Feb 2012 #273

+1 ellisonz Feb 2012 #282