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ProSense

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17. What about the
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 12:46 PM
Mar 2013

"I fit in with the other 40 percent of Americans who really and truly don’t give a fuck about the S&P 500 and Dow Jones both hitting all-time record highs this month....In the last 40 years, income for the bottom 90 percent of Americans only rose by $59. Income for the top 10 percent rose by more than $116,000."

...other 50 percent in that 90 percent? Do they care? A lot of pensions were affected by the economic crisis.

The Origins and Severity of the Public Pension Crisis

February 2011, Dean Baker

There has been considerable attention given in recent months to the shortfalls faced by state and local pension funds. Using the current methodology of assessing pension obligations, the shortfalls sum to nearly $1 trillion. Some analysts have argued that by using what they consider to be a more accurate methodology, the shortfalls could be more than three times this size. Based on these projections, many political figures have argued the need to drastically reduce the generosity of public sector pensions, and possibly to default on pension obligations already incurred.

This paper shows:

  • Most of the pension shortfall using the current methodology is attributable to the plunge in the stock market in the years 2007-2009.

  • The argument that pension funds should only assume a risk-free rate of return in assessing pension fund adequacy ignores the distinction between governmental units, which need be little concerned over the timing of market fluctuations, and individual investors, who must be very sensitive to market timing.

  • The size of the projected state and local government shortfalls measured as a share of future gross state products appear manageable.

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/publications/reports/the-origins-and-severity-of-the-public-pension-crisis


Public Pension Shortfalls Misrepresented in Budget-Crisis Debate

WASHINGTON, DC: With many state governments facing budget shortfalls this year along with dwindling federal assistance, some policy-makers have begun to call for drastic reductions of public sector pensions as a way to ease state budget woes. A new report from the Center for Economic and Policy Research puts this issue into better perspective, clearing up many common misconceptions about these funds.

The report, “The Origins and Severity of the Public Pension Crisis,” shows that the main reason public pension shortfalls exist at all is the downturn in the stock market following the housing crash in 2007-2009, not inadequate contributions. The paper demonstrates that if pension funds had just earned returns equal to the interest rate on 30-year Treasury bonds since 2007, their assets would be more than $850 billion greater than they are today.

“Much of the recent discussion of public pensions is misleading,” said Dean Baker, a co-director at CEPR and author of the report. “The shortfalls represent a small percentage of each state’s economy and, barring another sudden reversal of the stock market, are manageable.”

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http://www.cepr.net/index.php/press-releases/press-releases/pension-shortfalls-misrepresented-in-budget-debate



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Well put... 99Forever Mar 2013 #1
i have money in the stock market. i'm not 'very rich'. spanone Mar 2013 #6
Well then... 99Forever Mar 2013 #14
you REALLY need to take some reading comprehension classes Skittles Mar 2013 #26
And you REALLY need to be ignored. 99Forever Mar 2013 #28
AW POOR BABY!!!!!!!! Skittles Mar 2013 #29
Oh spare me leftynyc Mar 2013 #31
that one f***ing strange Skittles Mar 2013 #39
Did ya make a whole big whopping $15 a month? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #20
I hear you spanone Skittles Mar 2013 #27
Unions and pensions depend on the stock market so their people have more than Social Security dkf Mar 2013 #36
Smart people don't care about the stock market rally. Blanks Mar 2013 #2
If the stock market never works out for middle and working class people hughee99 Mar 2013 #8
Message auto-removed april dreamweaver Mar 2013 #12
It does work out for working class people, just not to the extent it enriches the already rich. dawg Mar 2013 #15
Rising stock values don't do you any good... Blanks Mar 2013 #30
True. dawg Mar 2013 #32
It's probably too early to predict a correction. Blanks Mar 2013 #33
Pension Funds are a great way to launder money. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #21
People are morons. Blanks Mar 2013 #25
Buy low and sell high, that's how you make money in the market. dawg Mar 2013 #10
DOW = bogus stats. They are not at record highs ...given "inflation". L0oniX Mar 2013 #3
Gee, L0oniX. Hate the game ... dawg Mar 2013 #5
No player = no game. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #7
Okay. But I just make "bets" on Fortune 500 companies ... dawg Mar 2013 #11
...but then you will hurt the gamblers. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #13
The DOW used to be known as a production indicator.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #23
Recommend jsr Mar 2013 #4
I think that every time I see a post about how great market is. Zax2me Mar 2013 #9
It's a little bit satisfying to me that some people missed out on making a bunch of money ... dawg Mar 2013 #18
Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Mar 2013 #16
What about the ProSense Mar 2013 #17
This is true, but we should have another way for pensions, etc. freshwest Mar 2013 #41
They should. gulliver Mar 2013 #19
I'm poor and I care... ileus Mar 2013 #22
One of the biggest cons ever was the rich claiming the Depression was caused by the crash of 29... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #24
The rub is, of course... ElboRuum Mar 2013 #34
Fuck the stock market. moondust Mar 2013 #35
No..they can hire security. It's only poor schmucks who can't afford guards who will be sol. dkf Mar 2013 #37
Yeah but... moondust Mar 2013 #38
There's a stock market rally? Probably because they made workers do more for less pay. craigmatic Mar 2013 #40
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