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114. I grew up in the 1950s and 60s. ...

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 04:29 PM

Mar 2013

So I have lived through some many times when our nation was strongly divided.

The Democratic Party which was the party of the common people was able to improve our nation in many ways after long struggles. It was a big tent and welcomed people of all races, all religions and all backgrounds.

Today I fear that we are driving away many religious people and many gun owners. These two groups compose a significant voting block and consequently we have concentrated our power in certain liberal states which are highly populated. This has and will continue to hurt our efforts in the future.

The reason the AWB is failing is because that while we have strong support from the big states on this issue, a lower populated state has the same number of Senators as a much larger state. Democratic Senators from the smaller states fear losing their careers if they support strong gun control, so we lack the votes to pass the AWB in the Senate. Even if the ban did pass, it would never pass in the House which is controlled by Republicans.

Consequently the frustration over the inability to get anywhere on the AWB has raised emotional anger in its supporters. They have been lashing out at gun owners recently and the level of invective
has hardened the resolve of gun owners to resist any attempt to improve our gun laws. Consequently even passing universal background checks which are widely supported by gun owners will now face a hard road.

When I grew up, many Democrats owned firearms and were strong supporters of the Second Amendment. Catholics were largely Democrats. Now I find that the Democratic Party has fewer gun owners and fewer religious people of any denomination. At the same time we are seeking support from Latino immigrants we are insulting Catholicism which is their primary religion.

My suggest is for Democrats to tune down the level of rhetoric to a reasonable level. Insulting others does little to convince them that your views are right.

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The Rude Pundit: Adam Lanza Fired Over 150 of These in Less Than Five Minutes [View all] meegbear Mar 2013 OP

+ 50,000,000 russspeakeasy Mar 2013 #1

+ another 50,000,000! lastlib Mar 2013 #5

There aren't that many particles in the entire universe. N/T GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #18

That might be considered an intelligent statement........ lastlib Mar 2013 #23

I cross posted this to the Gungeon Electric Monk Mar 2013 #2

If you think that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #3

I guess than, that I am not a "prick!" jonthebru Mar 2013 #4

Are those really .223s? adieu Mar 2013 #6

Very difficult to tell without something for scale. N/T GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #7

The proportions are right, but with nothing to compare to, who knows. X_Digger Mar 2013 #8

223 ammo rickyhall Mar 2013 #9

I wonder how they looked to those kids........ lastlib Mar 2013 #24

So we should ban .223 ammo? hack89 Mar 2013 #10

...sez another bullet-head.......... lastlib Mar 2013 #25

Why do you think it is good idea? nt hack89 Mar 2013 #32

might keep a few kids from getting killed..... lastlib Mar 2013 #35

By making one kind of bullet illegal? hack89 Mar 2013 #37

And we need every kind in case one gets banned. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #60

But since we hear constantly about how we can keep our hunting rifles hack89 Mar 2013 #68

That whole "refuse to understand guns" line is a RW talking point... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #73

Yet the OP is a classic example of gun ignorance hack89 Mar 2013 #75

The people devoted to watering it down are the ones to worry about. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #80

Nobody waterdowned CT's AWB. hack89 Mar 2013 #81

LOL!!! Do you honestly believe the AWB under Clinton was seen by Liberals as perfection? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #83

I am talking about CT's AWB - the one that said Lanza rifle was not an assault rifle. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #85

My point is that Liberals could stop this if we were represented. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #87

Not if they willfully remain ignorant about guns hack89 Mar 2013 #88

But that's where you fall down flat. Liberals into the issue know their shit. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #89

There doesn't seem to much evidence of that here hack89 Mar 2013 #93

Do you honestly believe Liberals don't know the game? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #96

This is what I don't understand about the focus on assualt weapons hack89 Mar 2013 #97

I picture a day when some RW Gun Cult storms DC.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #98

A threat to national security? hack89 Mar 2013 #99

Don't tempt me. I want it all.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #100

Not a silly dream at all. nt hack89 Mar 2013 #101

I wonder if we would be having this debate if it were disintegration pistols.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #102

Agreed. Fuck understanding a gun, and fuck the ghouls who swim in that garbage. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #82

Then there is the spectacle of gun nuts telling Congress they may need to shoot,...Congress. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #84

Because willful ignorance is the perfect basis for effective gun control laws. hack89 Mar 2013 #86

You are so clueless and emotional that you make no sense. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #103

Not what Rude said. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #30

One link to the amount of ammo and another one to a guide on .223 ammo hack89 Mar 2013 #31

Perhaps a closer look at the linked page would have shown you how Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #47

Reloading = making your own bullets. hack89 Mar 2013 #66

I was saying your distraction here on a side issue was asinine. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #127

So what is the main issue? hack89 Mar 2013 #130

We should ban all triggers. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #119

I love your ironic name hack89 Mar 2013 #124

No, just high-capacity magazines. Or better yet, jazzimov Mar 2013 #123

Thank you, Rude Pundit. Eloquent, as usual. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #11

Yes, remain legal. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #12

I know its a cliche, but how do you distinguish mortars or hand grenades or other weapons onenote Mar 2013 #16

The difference is in discreet vs. to-whom-it-may-concern targeting. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #17

Ever consider another hobby? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #62

X 1000. Paladin Mar 2013 #67

I wouldn't object to someone going into a classroom with fishing poles. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #74

Nor would I. Hell, they could bring along some treble hooks, as well. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #76

They could even bring a fly tie rig. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #79

You are 100% correct. But logic fails most on this forum. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #104

You want to talk logic? Electric Monk Mar 2013 #106

I will ask you the same question I always ask.... Logical Mar 2013 #107

Looks like you answered your own question there. Ok, you've convinced me, lets do that. nt Electric Monk Mar 2013 #108

Really, you think there is any possibility? If so you are clueless. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #109

And now you're back to the "From my cold dead hands!" argument... Electric Monk Mar 2013 #110

Wow, people like you are as bad as the worst gun nuts...... Logical Mar 2013 #111

But you gunners keep arguing that incremental changes like restricting mag size are meaningless Electric Monk Mar 2013 #112

Once again, slower this time...... Logical Mar 2013 #113

They're meaningless... beevul Mar 2013 #126

But Cruz, Rubio, Inhofe, Paul don't want you to have a say about mass murderers. alfredo Mar 2013 #13

If you think that's okay and should remain legal, then there is something deeply, malaise Mar 2013 #14

And a Merry Fucking Easter ellisonz Mar 2013 #15

Sorry, magnificent Rude one: the Congress has decided it's aok for the citizenry to tote and indepat Mar 2013 #19

Factual inaccuracy doesn't help your argument. beevul Mar 2013 #115

And are AR-15's constitutionally protected? If so, then why not machine guns, mortars, bazookas, indepat Mar 2013 #116

People own "machine guns, mortars, bazookas". beevul Mar 2013 #125

Have seen photos of a person brandishing? an AR-15 inside a crowded department store indepat Mar 2013 #133

If you're referring... beevul Mar 2013 #134

Am I to presume those with an assault rifle slung on their back were members of the well-regulated indepat Apr 2013 #141

What does "a well regulated militia" have to do with this discussion? N/T beevul Apr 2013 #142

Certainly no reference to a well regulated militia in the Constitution, much less in the Second indepat Apr 2013 #146

Message auto-removed DemNotLib Mar 2013 #20

Welcome back Remmah2? Electric Monk Mar 2013 #21

What a stupid post. Zoeisright Mar 2013 #22

"Epic fail" as a comment on your own fact-free post? aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2013 #26

" ...then there is something deeply, disturbingly fucked-up about you" Skittles Mar 2013 #28

" ...then there is something deeply, disturbingly fucked-up about you" villager Mar 2013 #27

And this would be why I love The Rude One!!!!! all american girl Mar 2013 #29

So, what, ban Lee-Enfield (ca 1907) rifles? X_Digger Mar 2013 #33

Sure. And you can also find You Tube videos ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #39

Actually, that *is* shooting at and hitting a target, 300 meters away. X_Digger Mar 2013 #40

"Mad Minute" has no relation to real world shooting at people ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #41

"Mad Minute" was training for soldiers. It's definitely about real world shooting. X_Digger Mar 2013 #43

Another Free Throw Video? ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #44

No, reality X_Digger Mar 2013 #45

Shooting range - Yawn ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #46

Notice the ones that don't match up (more casualties than ammo or vice versa) X_Digger Mar 2013 #48

"Take a stats case sometime" ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #54

Yes, I know, I shorthanded it. Any other nits to pick? X_Digger Mar 2013 #56

33 of 37 ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #58

33 of 37 used semi-autos with more than 10 rounds, yes. X_Digger Mar 2013 #59

It's not rocket surgery. Straw Man Mar 2013 #52

Again, clip changes timesat the range are not relevant ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #55

That's why I said three or four seconds. Straw Man Mar 2013 #61

He only would have needed to fire 5 rounds per minute. krispos42 Mar 2013 #136

25 rounds ThoughtCriminal Mar 2013 #137

He shot one kid 11 times krispos42 Apr 2013 #138

You know, getting shot multiple times does increase the fatalities ThoughtCriminal Apr 2013 #139

There is something to that, to an extent krispos42 Apr 2013 #140

At best, you are making a case for a more comprehensive ban ThoughtCriminal Apr 2013 #143

That's what I've been saying for three months now krispos42 Apr 2013 #144

Where is the DU unrec when you need it? nt guardian Mar 2013 #34

luckily you don't need it CreekDog Mar 2013 #49

Where is the DU Ignore when you need it? 99Forever Mar 2013 #78

Kick. nt Robb Mar 2013 #36

Why do you think that people who haven't done anything illegal.... CobblePuller Mar 2013 #38

I can unload 15 5 round mags in less than 5 minutes. ileus Mar 2013 #42

That's nice. Kindly stay the fuck out of my neighborhood. (nt) Paladin Mar 2013 #69

LOL! n-t Logical Mar 2013 #105

So you and Lanza have something in common. Or did you have another point? Robb Mar 2013 #72

The Newtown massacre is a true horror, but this mini rant is ridiculous aikoaiko Mar 2013 #50

Funny then how Lanza had access to that type of weapon Pale Blue Dot Mar 2013 #118

Would the shooting be less horrific if he used pistols aikoaiko Mar 2013 #120

You didn't answer the question. Pale Blue Dot Mar 2013 #121

I don't know why he chose what he chose. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #122

If... if ... if.. 99Forever Mar 2013 #128

+infinity Apophis Mar 2013 #51

Oddly enough ... Straw Man Mar 2013 #53

I suppose many here think that insulting gun owners is a good idea. ... spin Mar 2013 #57

Meh... I doubt DU is really that important, in the way you're talking about. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #63

Every gun owner who supports personal ownership of assault weapons deserves every bit of it. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #65

I bet most here wish they didn't have to. But some gunners just seem so fucking dumb. jmg257 Mar 2013 #92

Your concern is noted. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2013 #95

I grew up in the 1950s and 60s. ... spin Mar 2013 #114

Your concern is noted. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2013 #132

OK gun/ammo experts - you've convinced me - ban them all bread_and_roses Mar 2013 #64

my son showed me his assault weapon, safely locked up in a gun safe mountain grammy Mar 2013 #70

Source? AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #71

It seems a Box or a safe, he had access to them. The dumb ass gave him guns jmg257 Mar 2013 #94

The gun safe was in the kid's room, he was also a "responsible gun owner" mountain grammy Mar 2013 #117

The Rude One knocks it out of the park again. 99Forever Mar 2013 #77

Thanks, RP. You sure said that better than I could. Auntie Bush Mar 2013 #90

Lee is a national treasure. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #91

Then pass a ban that will actually work Sgent Mar 2013 #129

Kick ellisonz Mar 2013 #131

And taking away his pistol grip would not have interfered with that. krispos42 Mar 2013 #135

Pretty easy to shoot that fast with almost anything. tom2255 Apr 2013 #145

kick Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #147

The piece doesn't suggest anything resembling a workable solution to this non-problem slackmaster Apr 2013 #148