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In reply to the discussion: Pope’s Foot-Wash a Final Straw for Traditionalist Catholics [View all]UTUSN
(77,492 posts)3. The article shows both Reactionaries and Libs wary about which way he will jump
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022590948
Francis has both Reactionaries & Liberals on clenched toes to see which way he will actually go
I must be old since whenever I mention John XXIII, NOBODY knows who he was and automatically think Im mistakenly referring to the JP2 dude. So this article made me have a WHIFF of hope for reform from this Francis, but the proof is in the pudding. There is a warning sentence in this article: (paraphrase: ) What Liberals forget by crowing over his tradition-busting is that he is MAKING HIMSELF POPULAR with these GESTURES and that this POPULARITY will make it hard to overcome WHEN (if?!1) HE SLAMS the reforms DOWN and REASSERTS THE WINGNUT POLICIES. In American politics it's called "capital" (to spend).
So I DUSTED off the John XXIII medals, but did not take them out to POLISH them. Yet.
Meanwhile, doesn't it sound like this dude's clenched/curled toes are screaming, "Just, EWWwwww!1"?

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/pope-francis-female-foot-wash-upsets-traditionalists-article-1.1303260#ixzz2P2Y3ya1u
[font size=5]Pope Francis' female foot-wash outrages traditionalists[/font]
VATICAN CITY Pope Francis has won over many hearts and minds with his simple style and focus on serving the world's poorest, but [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]he has devastated traditionalist[/FONT] Catholics who adored his predecessor, Benedict XVI, for restoring much of the traditional pomp to the papacy.
Francis' decision to [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]disregard church law[/FONT] and wash the feet of two girls a Serbian Muslim and an Italian Catholic during a Holy Thursday ritual has become something of [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]the final straw[/FONT], evidence that Francis has little or [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]no interest in[/FONT] one of the key priorities of [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Benedict's[/FONT] papacy: [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]reviving the pre[/FONT]-Vatican II traditions of the Catholic Church. ....
A like-minded commentator in Francis' native Argentina, Marcelo Gonzalez at International Catholic Panorama, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]reacted to Francis' election with[/FONT] this phrase: [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]"The Horror.[/FONT]" Gonzalez's beef? While serving as the archbishop of Buenos Aires, the then-Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio's efforts to revive the old Latin Mass so dear to Benedict and traditionalists were "non-existent." ....
Before liberals and traditionalists both have a spittle-flecked nutty, each for their own reasons, try to figure out what he is trying to do," Zuhlsdorf wrote in a conciliatory piece.
But, in characteristic form, he added: [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]"What liberals forget[/FONT] in their present crowing is that even [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]as Francis makes himself[/FONT] and the church [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]more popular[/FONT] by projecting (a) compassionate image, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]he will[/FONT] simultaneously [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]make it harder for them to criticize him when he reaffirms the doctrinal points they want him to overturn[/FONT]." ....
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But only when he declares a doctrine "ex cathedra" which has only happened twice in history. n/t
pnwmom
Mar 2013
#15
Infallibility's only been invoked a handful of times in the last few centuries anyway.
Posteritatis
Mar 2013
#31
Only when he makes a statement "ex cathedra" -- that is, under certain specific conditions
pnwmom
Mar 2013
#14
You seem to follow Jesus' teachings a lot better than that sarcastic "explainer." nt
SunSeeker
Apr 2013
#59
Yes, Bob Forbid anyone should confuse gibberish with religious dogma.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2013
#50
Yeah, cause the Catholic Church is so bad, we can blame for it shit it does not even believe.
Drahthaardogs
Apr 2013
#64
What am I arguing? I made a joke about the indistinguishability of religious dogma from gibberish.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2013
#74
No, economics deals with things that are real. Money is real. Labor is real. Buying, selling,
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2013
#73
The nature of what we refer to as "proof", upon which all rational empiricism, that is, what
patrice
Apr 2013
#95
You do realize that your "source" asked when the Pope issues an encyclical, right?
Drahthaardogs
Apr 2013
#109
The problem is that if you say things that are demonstrably untrue
Fortinbras Armstrong
Apr 2013
#94
These people act as if there's nothing wrong with the Church that returning to tradition can't fix
BeyondGeography
Mar 2013
#26
Hopefully traditionalist Catholics and Teabaggers will be thrown in the dustbin of history.
Crowman1979
Mar 2013
#28
Sell all that you have and give it to the poor. Waiting on something real, not a photo-op NT
broadcaster75201
Mar 2013
#29
I want to somehow use "spittle-flecked nutty" in daily conversation. LOL n/t
Beartracks
Apr 2013
#35
Some powers-that-be of the RCC are going to be dragged out of the 3rd century screaming and kicking.
bulloney
Apr 2013
#40
Even the most faithful Catholics realize that there something dreadfully wrong.
olegramps
Apr 2013
#47
Yeah, who the hell needs a Mass you can understand and SHARE by participating in it?
patrice
Apr 2013
#77
I did that kind of stuff 6 days a week for 12 years of my life: Gregorian Chant, sacristan, Legion
patrice
Apr 2013
#83