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105. Passed on to my state ed committee ranking member.

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OK. Obama/Duncan/Gates School "Reform" Model: The results Are IN !!! Today's NYT: P. A1 [View all] Smarmie Doofus Mar 2013 OP

K&R idwiyo Mar 2013 #1

K&R Teamster Jeff Mar 2013 #2

K&R G_j Mar 2013 #3

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #4

Damn! That might leave a well earned mark. TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #6

Well, think about it. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #5

And Arne Duncan never spent a day in a school teaching and so does not know timdog44 Mar 2013 #44

that is a gross exaggeration, and this cheating occurred before obama was elected. mopinko Mar 2013 #68

When are the links coming that prove what a wonderful job UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #7

That's one thing you will never find here because duffyduff Mar 2013 #59

The sad thing is that a lot of the things in-the-trenches teachers advocate winter is coming Mar 2013 #8

those jerks and their minions shoudl be prosecutedunder RICO, elehhhhna Mar 2013 #9

And it is the kids who suffer most of all Fearless Mar 2013 #10

I'm not sure how protecting the integrety of the system... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #11

Maybe because tests abelenkpe Mar 2013 #16

Absolutely Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2013 #20

In general, what is wrong with "teaching to the tests"... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #23

Tests don't -- and can't -- measure understanding starroute Mar 2013 #28

I think your observation may refer to a restrictive subset of tests... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #38

Au contraire. AdHocSolver Mar 2013 #77

+1 Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #79

Ma réplique... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #81

Standardized tests don't necessarily measure anything. AdHocSolver Mar 2013 #91

The Bell Curve... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #94

I was clueless until I had kids in the school system-Ed has changed beyond the comprehension of many lunasun Mar 2013 #97

There is no worse system of education than 'teaching to the test'. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #56

Fine. But do you have any testing to back that up? reACTIONary Mar 2013 #87

You don't teach to any test. That is not the purpose of testing. You EDUCATE sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #95

+1000s (n/t) bread_and_roses Mar 2013 #107

Nothing. Works fine for lawyers, CPAs, and other industry exams... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #84

Solidarity, Comrade! (nt) reACTIONary Mar 2013 #88

Except that's not how it works. jeff47 Mar 2013 #114

What would you propose? What would be the best way... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #22

Either the Finnish system which does not test or a portfolio system where kids Orlandodem Mar 2013 #36

I've heard of the "Finnish system" and just looked it up... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #43

Finland, a tiny country with a tiny population, is not the United States duffyduff Mar 2013 #60

How 'bout we trust teachers to solve this? jeff47 Mar 2013 #39

I can give you a very authoratative answer... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #47

No, we don't. jeff47 Mar 2013 #52

I think you make a good point... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #55

You're still missing the central point jeff47 Mar 2013 #57

dumb or hungry? reACTIONary Mar 2013 #92

Apparently, you needed more tests in reading comprehension jeff47 Mar 2013 #113

Teachers can evaluate students... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #118

No. Students are not "products" - nor is knowledge a "product." bread_and_roses Mar 2013 #110

The Hallowed Halls... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #112

The education "reformers" are starting at the WRONG END. AdHocSolver Mar 2013 #82

RE: They did an across-the-board reevaluation of everything... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #85

If you don't understand what is wrong with that, LWolf Mar 2013 #75

I think you make some very good points... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #78

Did you know that, LWolf Mar 2013 #86

Thanks for the reply... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #111

I'm going to have to make this one the last. LWolf Mar 2013 #115

Thanks again, I'll read through it carefully (nt) reACTIONary Mar 2013 #117

When non-teachers who don't know anything about education tell teachers how to do their jobs, duffyduff Apr 2013 #122

Do teachers... reACTIONary Apr 2013 #123

amen to all that (n/t) bread_and_roses Mar 2013 #116

Because tests that do that don't exist. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #108

And she wouldn't have been caught if the teachers hadn't told on her. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #12

Except that isn't how I would generally describe what happened... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2013 #67

There are umpteen versions of how it all came down. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2013 #70

k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #13

But but but ... 99Forever Mar 2013 #14

K&R formercia Mar 2013 #15

LOL, someone alerted this and lost badly! Here are the results! Logical Mar 2013 #17

"birtheresque comment" zeemike Mar 2013 #24

I thank you jury and my child thanks you too. liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #62

You get what you measure. nt antigop Mar 2013 #18

And one wonders why anyone would be against measurement. (nt) reACTIONary Mar 2013 #26

depends upon what is being measured and what we are "getting". In this case, look what allegedly antigop Mar 2013 #33

Agreed. And I hope this serves an example for others. (nt) reACTIONary Mar 2013 #89

There are so many answers and I wish I could go into them all now. BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #40

My bet is... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #90

Since learning is strictly up to the desire or ability of kids to learn, it can't measure duffyduff Mar 2013 #64

You don't believe that teachers can be inspiring... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #83

K&R!!!!! Public not profit! Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2013 #19

A very hearty K&R! demmiblue Mar 2013 #21

45 years ?!? Geez, it's not like she crashed the economy or lied us into war. eppur_se_muova Mar 2013 #25

A good article, a stupid OP bhikkhu Mar 2013 #27

Would you say that Obama and Duncan have pushed back on MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #32

As far as I can see, they've done nothing in 4 years on that bhikkhu Mar 2013 #37

Race to the Top is Obama's baby and is 1,000 times worse than NCLB. n/t duffyduff Mar 2013 #63

+10000000 nt woo me with science Apr 2013 #120

Check this Salon article it's happening in other places. erinlough Mar 2013 #34

Cheating Runs Rampant/Salon/May2012 ReRe Mar 2013 #98

Good post! A very astute point... reACTIONary Mar 2013 #106

We get it. savebigbird Mar 2013 #109

Arne Duncan following NCLB is a trainwreck for public education PufPuf23 Mar 2013 #29

It sure has been. nt LWolf Mar 2013 #30

sssshhhhhh... we best be silent.. nt PufPuf23 Mar 2013 #31

As much as DU hates Bush with a passion you would think more people would liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #74

This article is more sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #35

Interesting, thank you. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #41

I was chased off another site for daring to speak against the Gates foundation BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #42

Not sure what you said to get chased off timdog44 Mar 2013 #48

He has plenty of money to buy good PR though BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #53

Here's the problem: for the "reformers", it isn't about education. Marr Mar 2013 #45

Absolutely. BrotherIvan Mar 2013 #46

Sadly, both Eli Broad sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #50

Even convicted criminals are. Case in point: Michael Milken. n/t duffyduff Mar 2013 #61

Yea, he's come along way sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #69

He and Bill Bennett are in cahoots with K-12 duffyduff Mar 2013 #76

yes, the democratic politicians are perfectly fine with sacrificing unions to get some corporate liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #72

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #49

My only comment is this did not start with Obama..... Swede Atlanta Mar 2013 #51

+1 freshwest Mar 2013 #58

I think you have timdog44 Mar 2013 #66

As a former public school teacher, I say you have pretty good insight into the situation. Regarding Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2013 #71

It didn't start with Obama. LWolf Mar 2013 #73

So what? woo me with science Mar 2013 #102

Virtually everything junior foisted upon America was imo either: illegal, immoral, inhumane, indepat Mar 2013 #54

Du rec. Nt xchrom Mar 2013 #65

K&R Canuckistanian Mar 2013 #80

Atlanta could do for education "reform" what Newtown did for reasonble gun control. hay rick Mar 2013 #93

I’m an Obama guy and think many of his center right positions were always as a result of his busterbrown Mar 2013 #96

Dr Beverly Hall/Atlanta School cheating/NYTimes ReRe Mar 2013 #99

K&R woo me with science Mar 2013 #100

An embarassment? Yea, but very profitable. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #101

Ed reform is the sh/t. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #103

It's not complicated: Follow The Politicians fredamae Mar 2013 #104

Passed on to my state ed committee ranking member. Thav Mar 2013 #105

You've probably read this, but... savebigbird Apr 2013 #119

Chris Hayes is doing a segment on this tonight octoberlib Apr 2013 #121