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MAD Dave

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52. No control was needed in this type of study.

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:34 AM

Mar 2013

What the CDC study was looking for was not binary (ie. received vaccine and got autism score 1; did not receive vaccine and did not get autism score 0) but rather if increasing antigen dose showed a higher prevalence of autism diagnosis. The study was pretty clear in its findings - that increasing antigen dose doesn't show an increase in the prevalence in autism.

Autism, like most diseases is a complex mixture of genetics and environment. In other words, as has been posted before some kids receiving vaccines may get autism and the vaccine may have pushed the child's body to begin the disease process called autism, but in addition to the vaccines a multitude of factors led to autism. Extrapolating slightly, I doubt vaccines are a major contributor to the development of autism. More likely a coincidence!

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New study finds no link between 'too many vaccines' and autism [View all] morningfog Mar 2013 OP

I love vaccines. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #1

k&r uppityperson Mar 2013 #2

Hug me; I'm vaccinated! longship Mar 2013 #3

So once again money was diverted from necessary research Warpy Mar 2013 #4

Oh? proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #7

The only difference is a specific diagnosis Warpy Mar 2013 #13

Oh? proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #36

Oh, people without a medical background writing about a medical condition Warpy Mar 2013 #47

The majority have a child with autism and have ZERO ulterior motives to mislead or misdirect. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #57

So what? That certainly doesn't make them experts or qualified. morningfog Mar 2013 #62

That factor alone doesn't cut it, I agree with you. They are saying to the public there is more. proverbialwisdom Apr 2013 #63

I see you found more time. morningfog Apr 2013 #64

Please see graphics in posts #33 , #35 and #59 together in order to grasp the concerns of many @AOA. proverbialwisdom Apr 2013 #65

I have to give you props on being prepared.. snooper2 Apr 2013 #68

Age of Autism... SidDithers Mar 2013 #22

Oh? proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #5

Poor Ed doesn't quite understand science. morningfog Mar 2013 #9

The analogy is simple and accessible. So is the information here. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #11

The analogy is stupid. morningfog Mar 2013 #12

So forget the analogy. Recent remarks by these four establishment researchers contradict the study. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #15

Did you even read what you posted? morningfog Mar 2013 #18

I'd like to recommend that you read these quotes in their full context at the linked posts. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #25

"Dr. Geraldine Dawson, chief science officer for the advocacy group Autism Speaks." Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #34

That 2009 publicity campaign sounds abysmal, though created by two fathers of children with autism. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #39

analogies are not evidence. nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #30

Agreed. This merits more than analogies or platitudes. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #33

So, what do YOU think is the reason? morningfog Mar 2013 #37

What I think isn't the issue. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #43

No reason to believe the figures. Deep13 Mar 2013 #46

He sure as hell doesn't understand the immune system! Warpy Mar 2013 #48

k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #6

so how long until the woo people show up? name not needed Mar 2013 #8

They have arrived. morningfog Mar 2013 #10

it shames me that people think age of autism our adventure in autism should be Godhumor Mar 2013 #20

They're always here, posting rubbish from rubbishy websites Warpy Mar 2013 #49

Unsupportable and unsustainable given the current health trends. Wait and see. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #58

Du rec. Nt xchrom Mar 2013 #14

Good - hopefully the funding for all these studies can now be better directed bhikkhu Mar 2013 #16

If I could recommend an individual post, I'd recommend yours! LeftishBrit Mar 2013 #19

Well said...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #23

some of those funds need to be directed towards transitioning adults from school to work and liberal_at_heart Mar 2013 #28

indeed La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2013 #44

The implications of the flawed control group design discussed here by AOA contributor J.Thompson. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #17

Do you seriously think links to ageofautism help your argument?...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #24

Please consider the primary sources cited, NOT the news aggregator/analysis websites, per se. nt proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #26

Then you should post the primary source without the advocacy site middleman...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #27

No control was needed in this type of study. MAD Dave Mar 2013 #52

May I also point out Wakefield was found to have committed fraud MAD Dave Mar 2013 #54

UK CryShame press release - 9 March 2013 proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #60

DURec. Another win for science over superstition... SidDithers Mar 2013 #21

Exactly MAD Dave Mar 2013 #55

I read about this in Well, No Shit! magazine. nt Deep13 Mar 2013 #29

Did you read this, too? proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #32

You anti-vaxxers are letting your paranoid superstitions... Deep13 Mar 2013 #45

You non-science anti-vaxers scare the shit out of me. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #53

vaccines save lives period. bench scientist Mar 2013 #31

Ginger Taylor: Overall health outcomes matter, not merely reduction of communicable disease levels. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #35

Wow. "merely reduction of communicable disease levels." morningfog Mar 2013 #38

I was quoting Ginger Taylor's recent testimony before the Maine legislature re: informed consent. proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #40

Ginger Taylor is a calloused ass, then. Some real asshole depravity there. morningfog Mar 2013 #50

I don't have more time to spend on this, however... according to research posted at AOA, proverbialwisdom Mar 2013 #59

Glad you won't be posting any more of that tripe in this thread. morningfog Mar 2013 #61

Now that you are locked out, you really won't be adding anymore tripe to this thread! morningfog Apr 2013 #75

Is phenylketonuria caused by consumption of phenylalanine? eridani Mar 2013 #41

This was obvious to everyone but gullible idiots. sagat Mar 2013 #42

Exactly. So what about the 99% of EVERYONE ELSE who's vaccinated and WITHOUT autism alp227 Apr 2013 #70

Here is the abstract of the study if anyone is interested davidpdx Mar 2013 #51

I used to HATE statistics...... MAD Dave Mar 2013 #56

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SPAM^^^^ morningfog Apr 2013 #67

Brian Hooker criticizes a vaccine safety study; hilarity ensues SidDithers Apr 2013 #69

Try some real studies that show proof KRAD74 Apr 2013 #71

Have you links to any "real studies that show proof"? Welcome to DU. uppityperson Apr 2013 #72

That's the problem. KRAD74 Apr 2013 #73

That's because all the research supports vaccines. Those who refuse vaccines are selfish morningfog Apr 2013 #74

Some are not saying to refuse vaccines all together KRAD74 Apr 2013 #76