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beevul

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38. No, thats not how it works.

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:54 AM

Mar 2013

Justification need not be shown by those wishing to own a thing.

Justification does, however, need to be shown, by those wishing to restrict ownership, of a thing.

And when it hits court, a compelling interest has to be shown, and also needing to be shown, is that whatever method of restriction is at issue, is the least restrictive means.

Folks who are busy throwing around the word "selfish" in this thread, and seeing who they can get it to stick to, if they're the intellectually honest sort...might note, that none of those railing against guns in this thread, are interested in exploring many of those "in between measures we touched on in our exchange in that other thread.

Selfishness exists as much on the part of those wishing to skip those measures as it does on anyone else.

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There are a lot of reasons someone would want to fire 30 rounds without reloading [View all] Snarkoleptic Mar 2013 OP

"All of them are shitty." 99Forever Mar 2013 #1

Kicked X 154 Paladin Mar 2013 #2

"All of them are shitty" lobodons Mar 2013 #3

One reason: if you're in the military. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2013 #4

+1 freshwest Mar 2013 #33

I was getting ready to say essentially the same thing Victor_c3 Mar 2013 #35

Need a background check to enlist?? Touche!! DinahMoeHum Mar 2013 #44

Go ahead and get it out - the AWB has failed. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #5

Well, the coroner said he did. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #7

Not sure either. JimDandy Mar 2013 #18

Instead of grave-dancing, why not try offering suggestions to make the AWB better & more effective? baldguy Mar 2013 #8

The AWB as a means of reducing violence is flawed at the start aikoaiko Mar 2013 #12

Except that other countries that ban assault weapons have a much lower rate of gun violence. baldguy Mar 2013 #13

What country only bans so called assault weapons and saw a change in murder rates? aikoaiko Mar 2013 #15

What country allows assault weapons and saw a change in murder rates? baldguy Mar 2013 #16

I'm with Baldguy-back your claim up curlyred Mar 2013 #17

Adam Lanza - his rifle was compliant with the 1994 AWB aikoaiko Mar 2013 #21

That's because it was so riddled with loopholes from RW NRA lobbyists. baldguy Mar 2013 #25

No loopholes. Lanza's rifle was defined in 1994 by DiFi, Joe Biden et al as AOK to own. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #27

I'd like to see proof of that. Please provide a link showing that Sen Feinstein and VP Biden baldguy Mar 2013 #29

Show you where allowing them works? I have never heard of them working. aikoaiko Mar 2013 #23

How about Australia and the UK? jazzimov Mar 2013 #34

That's right. I said only assault weapons aikoaiko Mar 2013 #36

Wow, you are generous in your selfishness. All those solutions and not a single jmg257 Mar 2013 #20

Universal background checks are important aikoaiko Mar 2013 #30

Oh i do, and not half-assed either...100%, and combined with registration. jmg257 Mar 2013 #32

Message auto-removed Baraki Mar 2013 #39

There's an extremely good reason: IveWornAHundredPants Mar 2013 #6

If you want to punch holes in a piece of paper Doc_Technical Mar 2013 #10

I could also use a bow and arrow IveWornAHundredPants Mar 2013 #11

I could also use a bow and arrow AlbertCat Mar 2013 #22

You see? They're more useful than we thought. IveWornAHundredPants Mar 2013 #24

"Because I can" was the reason I was given when discussing this last night neverforget Mar 2013 #9

That's the justification they need to remember when the government interest jmg257 Mar 2013 #28

No, thats not how it works. beevul Mar 2013 #38

Agreed on several points. No doubt about selfishness. jmg257 Mar 2013 #40

Gotta stop the zombie deer... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #14

That's the exception to the rule! Snarkoleptic Mar 2013 #19

Yet the gun violence apologists here love those reasons! villager Mar 2013 #26

Oh, there's a VERY good reason. After a case of Miller Lite, you NEED 30 rounds... talkingmime Mar 2013 #31

If they are so evil hack89 Mar 2013 #37

Depending upon how one defines them there are probably billions of "assault" magazines Peter cotton Mar 2013 #41

Largely because our pols haven't the stomach to take on the issue. Snarkoleptic Mar 2013 #42

They are proposing effective legislation hack89 Mar 2013 #43