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Cal Carpenter

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22. Capitalism

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 10:19 AM

Mar 2013

This has nothing to do with whether he believes in 'GMO farming saving the world'.

This is just more of the same economics that have been going on for decades, despite a very few, usually short-lived, nominal, or underfunded exceptions.

It's not about Obama. I don't say that to take the responsibility off his shoulders, but it is part of a bigger picture of which he is just one player in one period of time. In fact, given a brief glance at history, it would be much more surprising or confusing if he did NOT put corporate shills in major gov't positions.

It's not even about Monsanto in particular. As easy as it is to revile the corporation, a monopolistic agriculture company with nothing but profit in mind by any other name...well...

How many decades of these patterns must we see before we stop being surprised or confused about it?

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Why does President Obama keep Appointing Monsanto Shills to Key Gov. Positions? [View all] Heather MC Mar 2013 OP

I agree with you! GitRDun Mar 2013 #1

You do not become President of this country anymore w/o owing the corporate masters. Dustlawyer Mar 2013 #27

+1 Newest Reality Mar 2013 #34

This administration has appointed industry shills in almost everycase. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #239

Thanks for not flaming me, I'm glad I'm not completely alone here. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #300

I stand in solidarity with you too. truedelphi Apr 2013 #304

On the contrary. woo me with science Apr 2013 #305

Thank you. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #309

I've been told many times here on DU that...... Hotler Mar 2013 #133

It makes sense when you recognize the real goal here. woo me with science Mar 2013 #214

WORTHY OF ITS OWN THREAD Skittles Mar 2013 #226

It won't matter DollarBillHines Mar 2013 #237

I fear you are correct Skittles Mar 2013 #238

Part of the problem Mnpaul Mar 2013 #254

YES!!!!! Hotler Mar 2013 #229

We have a winner! blackspade Mar 2013 #258

Sad but true October Apr 2013 #282

+1 Marr Apr 2013 #323

It's not Obama's fault. It's a Republican plot woo me with science Mar 2013 #2

LOL, you nailed that one. I am waiting for the usual suspects to defend this. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #5

the subject of the Monsanto connected appointments generally is G_j Mar 2013 #11

Just read that post whatchamacallit Mar 2013 #32

Perfect. drokhole Mar 2013 #69

Yep. Same with "entitlement" "reforms". jsr Mar 2013 #78

I now consider myself a member of the Progressive Caucus and not a Democrat. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #122

... SidDithers Mar 2013 #129

You are correct the picture does have a mustache. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #135

I agree but I thought that he would get a place on the board of Monsanto and Chase emsimon33 Mar 2013 #177

You're probably righter than me. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #232

yup Skittles Mar 2013 #180

Believe it or not, that actually makes sense.....n/t AverageJoe90 Mar 2013 #189

LOL-- that's about it. Ever see those old models of the solar system, with the Earth in the middle? Marr Mar 2013 #247

That's exactly what I have been told over the past few days. The only way sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #262

Because edhopper Mar 2013 #3

K&R As if he wouldn't have signed a standalone Monsanto protection order... MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #4

Prosense will explain it to us shortly. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #6

I'll be along shortly ProSense Mar 2013 #16

Wow... SidDithers Mar 2013 #39

LOL, stalker. I value your opinion! n-t Logical Mar 2013 #47

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Hey ProSense Mar 2013 #98

Your cat fight is completely off topic and has no place here, go away with this stuff. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #123

No. You go away. n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #134

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Typical. n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #148

Typical. t Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #157

Tell that to Logical.. he/she started this Cha Mar 2013 #149

LOL, it appears it needed started! n-t Logical Mar 2013 #172

Yeah, it seems DU doesn't really like stalkers afterall. Cha Mar 2013 #179

LOL, stalking. 2 messages. And not rude ones. Paranoid much? n-t Logical Mar 2013 #193

I disagree. Seems stalkers don't even know they're stalking. n/t Cha Mar 2013 #198

Wow, you disagree. What a shock. I will take it under consideration. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #199

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I will reply to any post I want. And send PMs when I want. Both fine. And you/her .... Logical Mar 2013 #202

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I have no intention of stopping following the DU rules. Why is this hard for you? n-t Logical Mar 2013 #209

You started this by calling out a poster. Just apologize and end it. You can even delete your msg JaneyVee Mar 2013 #233

It's really not hard, all the huffy responses notwithstanding. woo me with science Apr 2013 #261

Bingo! n/t Wind Dancer Apr 2013 #314

I believe you can alert on PM's michigandem58 Mar 2013 #117

That e-mail had a question in it that you never answer, but everyone asks. bahrbearian Mar 2013 #150

It's an ProSense Mar 2013 #154

See, I am not the only one questioning your motives. Wonder what you are hiding. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #171

Wow, you thought your harassing PM was cleverly disguised? n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #175

LOL, harassing? One was asking you your motive. One was asking you to respond to.... Logical Mar 2013 #170

LOL! You can stalk someone and then have other DU'ers support your fucked up behavior=bullying KittyWampus Mar 2013 #103

I am against the double standard where some get away with being rude by rhett o rick Mar 2013 #165

Where do you have to sit when you're the stalker? And, no Cha Mar 2013 #145

If you read my posts you would know I dont condone stalking. That should be dealt with rhett o rick Mar 2013 #161

She didn't have to "rationalize" being righteous. It was Cha Mar 2013 #164

Prosense proves his case against you and anyone on DU should give a shit about YOUR OPINION? KittyWampus Mar 2013 #102

I enjoy reading the defense of any attack on Obama. Very creative. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #106

+1. Cat's out of the bag, now! grahamhgreen Mar 2013 #153

They almost did it, huh? woo me with science Mar 2013 #159

tell me what is going on, Woo Skittles Mar 2013 #184

Of course they would. woo me with science Mar 2013 #191

but what is their INCENTIVE to support this crap? Skittles Mar 2013 #200

Are there? woo me with science Mar 2013 #203

And now we get to the heart of the matter. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #213

HOWDY WHEN CRABS ROAR Skittles Mar 2013 #220

That's a long time and a long view. woo me with science Mar 2013 #244

I have always seen things way ahead of the pack Skittles Mar 2013 #221

Me too, and I don't like what I see coming. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #223

I am with you WCR Skittles Mar 2013 #225

+10000 woo me with science Mar 2013 #245

I was once approached my a major software producer Marr Mar 2013 #248

It's easier for some to follow a person than principles. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #285

I understand the glamour over substance thing Skittles Apr 2013 #310

I believe it's a reality thing. They want to believe because they need to rhett o rick Apr 2013 #311

jury results: Whisp Mar 2013 #50

Awesome jury result... SidDithers Mar 2013 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Scurrilous Jul 2013 #330

Alerting L0oniX Mar 2013 #118

OMG - that jury was totally slanted to the left! grahamhgreen Mar 2013 #155

You certainly have a Bobbie Jo Mar 2013 #61

Did DU loose it's ignore function when it changed to updated version? That would solve that for you. KittyWampus Mar 2013 #107

Response in wrong place?...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #114

? Bobbie Jo Mar 2013 #116

Holy Crap! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #76

The second one is really telling. MineralMan Mar 2013 #79

For every accusation of working for the WH treestar Mar 2013 #104

LOL, as if that isn't a regular accusation. Marr Mar 2013 #249

Come on Pro, keep it civil, we all know you work somewhere! And we still love ya, might disagree grahamhgreen Mar 2013 #152

Evidently, some people think they're clever. ProSense Mar 2013 #160

Dunning-Kruger Electric Monk Mar 2013 #241

Hubris. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #276

Irony Electric Monk Apr 2013 #278

Why do you think Obama has appointed Monsanto CEOs to positions of sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #263

And evidently some need you to explain Obama's appointments, as if you are the man himself Number23 Apr 2013 #269

I can't wait til your epiphany! grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #277

Dont hold your breath. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #316

And let's treat that question seriously. woo me with science Mar 2013 #7

The truth is a frustrating problem Heather MC Mar 2013 #10

It is all about the money. AndyA Mar 2013 #13

+1 green for victory Mar 2013 #18

+1. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #21

If you are saying the problem is larger than him, I would agree. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #41

Obama is temporary. The problem is much larger. woo me with science Mar 2013 #49

The problem is huge, it's a corporate controlled government. Autumn Mar 2013 #67

If God didn't want corporations and the upper 1/10th percent to own the government. Fuddnik Mar 2013 #130

AMEN MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #74

"It is a problem that is threatening to end our country as we know it." dreampunk Mar 2013 #88

You are exactly right. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #124

+ My household (Except we still rant after our brains kick in!) truedelphi Mar 2013 #216

The majority is hooked on Dancing With the Stars and sports WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #217

^^^+1^^^This^^^ progressoid Mar 2013 #228

Amen brother! GitRDun Mar 2013 #231

Well said. blackspade Mar 2013 #257

Well said. ronnie624 Apr 2013 #272

Well said. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #8

I've been beaten up too much by the... SylviaD Mar 2013 #9

Yes you are, and don't fall for the incessant commercials. woo me with science Mar 2013 #31

Excellent. Nailed it ! Thanks... russspeakeasy Mar 2013 #44

thank you for pointing this out Slit Skirt Mar 2013 #63

This is an outstanding post. woo me with science Apr 2013 #299

thank you Slit Skirt Apr 2013 #329

woo me... choie Mar 2013 #73

Woo me with science tiredtoo Mar 2013 #77

Thank you. n/t SylviaD Mar 2013 #125

Very well stated. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #219

Home run. blackspade Apr 2013 #260

Well said. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #306

Don't let the bastards get you down pscot Mar 2013 #58

Thank you. n/t SylviaD Mar 2013 #126

... SidDithers Mar 2013 #62

...and those doing the beating up are getting known for it. L0oniX Mar 2013 #120

Thank you and I hope so. n/t SylviaD Mar 2013 #127

OP is now at the very top of the Greatest Page. woo me with science Apr 2013 #284

They snuck in and took those posts, nothing he could do. bahrbearian Mar 2013 #12

That is how I get. all my Jobs Heather MC Mar 2013 #20

he's just another go-along-to-get-along politico... KG Mar 2013 #14

The Director of NIFA is not Beachy. Article needs an update. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #15

k/r what would people here say if Romney appointed monsatan shills green for victory Mar 2013 #17

The final sentence in a book just popped in my head... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #23

!!! Octafish Mar 2013 #46

Obama nominated Elena Kagan to the US Supreme Court. Kagan ProSense Mar 2013 #19

You may view the writing as Silly, however what about the facts? Heather MC Mar 2013 #24

My comment is ProSense Mar 2013 #25

She defended them Court, was obviously on their payroll Heather MC Mar 2013 #35

No, she was solicitor general and was required to as part of her job. OKNancy Mar 2013 #84

Facts like that conveniently get left out by right-wing libertarian sources like Naturalnews... SidDithers Mar 2013 #86

A Solicitor General who has no power and was required to make the agruments that she did? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #109

Note woo me with science Mar 2013 #33

Note: The point stands. The OP is silly as hell ProSense Mar 2013 #40

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #91

I made the point that the OP article is silly. ProSense Mar 2013 #105

I see the "group" got the OP author kicked out of the thread for doing nothing more than they do. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #287

This thread is filled with marvelous examples woo me with science Apr 2013 #295

There seems to be a desperation involved. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #296

See post 31. woo me with science Apr 2013 #297

Yes excellent post. But I think it's more than that. Some live in a denial bubble. They dont want rhett o rick Apr 2013 #308

This one doesn't like facts. Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #138

I wouldn't work that hard bvar22 Mar 2013 #236

They must Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #326

Kagan sided with Rove Justice over Don Siegelman. Octafish Mar 2013 #51

Kagan participated in the death of the Miranda rule as the Solicitor General AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #115

Capitalism Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #22

That is what I voted for CHANGE Heather MC Mar 2013 #30

And therein lies the rub Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #55

Sadly most of us are all too trapped in the system Heather MC Mar 2013 #65

This is a really good answer I think. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #90

+1 HiPointDem Mar 2013 #132

+1 woo me with science Apr 2013 #298

Exactly my thoughts... very well said.. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #57

I agree with you, Heather. Many are concerned. As if that matters. n/t truth2power Mar 2013 #26

He's fulfilling his promise to help the Middle Class MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #28

Yes, ProSense Mar 2013 #37

Dazzle us with facts, ProSense... thanks! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #72

Apply Occum's Razor. 99Forever Mar 2013 #29

The original source is NaturalNews... SidDithers Mar 2013 #36

Meet Monsanto's number one lobbyist: Barack Obama ProSense Mar 2013 #42

And look at all the posters cheering and agreeing with the bullshit... SidDithers Mar 2013 #43

That's OK, the piece is from September 2012 ProSense Mar 2013 #45

Great flypaper thread tho... SidDithers Mar 2013 #53

Why did Obama appoint Monsanto CEOs to a Democratic Administration? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #264

Yup. Catchin' flies all over the place...nt SidDithers Apr 2013 #266

Why would a Democratic president appoint Monsanto CEOS to his administration? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #267

Looks like the "cool kids" got heather kicked out of her own thread. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #290

...and it's almost always he same predictable peanut gallery. Sheepshank Mar 2013 #52

Imagine how pissed these folks will be from 2016 to 2024 while ... JoePhilly Mar 2013 #56

They'll be pissed if any Democrat is President... SidDithers Mar 2013 #59

Agree ... particularly on the last point. nt. JoePhilly Mar 2013 #68

You two keep up the good work. Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #60

I apologize for not checking the source thoroughly Heather MC Mar 2013 #70

You should update your OP with the actual article... SidDithers Mar 2013 #75

Ok, sure Heather MC Mar 2013 #83

What an excellent question. woo me with science Apr 2013 #307

provenance is good - dreampunk Mar 2013 #92

But, but the 132 special souls that rec'd this tripe rep the TRUE American majority!!!1 Number23 Apr 2013 #270

Even worse... SidDithers Apr 2013 #273

There's enough straw in this thread to build a village. Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #294

148 recs total. Chump change, even for DU despite the squeals from some who act as though Number23 Apr 2013 #313

He seems to believe in the rights of the filthy rich to become forestpath Mar 2013 #38

Yep that sums it up. And the Administration even lets us know truedelphi Mar 2013 #212

Probably Campaign Contribution Paybacks - aka Legalized Bribery cantbeserious Mar 2013 #48

And yet tiredtoo Mar 2013 #66

Maybe it is a plot to keep them out of the boardroom? ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2013 #71

Because he is a Reagan Conservative broadcaster75201 Mar 2013 #81

+1 Phlem Mar 2013 #255

because he is the face of corporate power. nt limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #82

Help Clean up Government !!! Maineman Mar 2013 #85

Neo Liberal, reagan democrat. Surely Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #87

Nonsensical bullshit. ProSense Mar 2013 #89

Knee jerk defense as expected Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #136

More nonsense. n/t ProSense Mar 2013 #140

Even less substance. Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #143

Well said. There is one sure way to cut through the bullshit, always. woo me with science Mar 2013 #174

The "defenders" Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #325

Replace "Monsanto" with "Goldman Sachs" and "food" with "economic" in this sentence... Agony Mar 2013 #93

+ every human soul who has ever agreed with Occupy! n/t truedelphi Mar 2013 #187

Keep your friends close... IthinkThereforeIAM Mar 2013 #94

Rappaports 2013 blog is not the original source for the article... SidDithers Mar 2013 #96

I am not bashing Obama. I don't 100% agree with my husband that Heather MC Mar 2013 #97

Yeah, sure... SidDithers Mar 2013 #99

I wasn't aware of that at the time I posted this Heather MC Mar 2013 #111

Don't let Sid bully you. The OP was fine and you corrected it. Thanks for the OP. n-t Logical Mar 2013 #113

Sorry, nothing from naturalnews or jon rappapport is "fine"...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #131

Well, you might not like the source, kurtzapril4 Mar 2013 #166

You're right. I don't like right-wing, crazy-ass, conspiracist libertarians... SidDithers Mar 2013 #169

"Right-wing": woo me with science Mar 2013 #182

Are you denying Jon Rappaport, the author of the material in the OP, is right wing?... SidDithers Mar 2013 #183

Note the attempt to deflect. woo me with science Mar 2013 #190

Note the attempt to evade the question... SidDithers Mar 2013 #194

LOL! woo me with science Mar 2013 #196

That's all you got?... SidDithers Mar 2013 #197

Bullshit, fuck the question, the correct answer is, WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #222

Another vote for Paul-loving, anti-vax, AIDS-denying, right-wing Libertarians checks in... SidDithers Mar 2013 #227

Hear, hear! woo me with science Mar 2013 #243

It's hard to believe, but there are Monsanto Supporters here on DU it appears. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #265

I believe the question is "why is our President appointing so many Monsanto supporters?" nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #286

no, woo was disputing the fact that Jon Rappaport... SidDithers Apr 2013 #288

Yes a clever distraction. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #289

And you seem to be another poster who thinks this guy... SidDithers Apr 2013 #291

I support free discussion here in DU and object at attempts of those that rhett o rick Apr 2013 #292

Rappaport is the author of the unsourced material... SidDithers Apr 2013 #293

Why now? ProSense Mar 2013 #101

It's not just Obama davidthegnome Mar 2013 #100

Oh please, what you are saying is not even logical. truedelphi Apr 2013 #328

Because they are qualified for the job. treestar Mar 2013 #108

"Maybe the FDA should be run by DU." LOL... SidDithers Mar 2013 #112

Monsanto will be able to rule Smilo Mar 2013 #110

Modern politics is all a "good cop bad cop" game. L0oniX Mar 2013 #119

Love Obama, but have often been troubled by his appointments. Disappointing. gateley Mar 2013 #128

It's Bush's fault pediatricmedic Mar 2013 #137

K&R Despite the gang of four (or five) Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #142

Irony ProSense Mar 2013 #147

"You keep using that word. I don't . . . Jakes Progress Mar 2013 #156

You ProSense Mar 2013 #158

I Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #324

Bcause of tiny electrodes implanted in the brain? nt LiberalEsto Mar 2013 #146

Because he is a soft sell shill for corporations, and everyone must realize that. Hence, we must be grahamhgreen Mar 2013 #151

"diligent in pushing him and his corporate cronies and think tank trolls that hit these boards." ProSense Mar 2013 #167

No. We need you folks on our side! ;-) grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #275

Obama fails: the list keeps getting longer by the week. grr. ~nt 99th_Monkey Mar 2013 #162

No, President Obama has NOT failed.. and the list of his Accomplishments Keep Growing.. Cha Mar 2013 #250

Yes, President Obama has done everything he promised 99th_Monkey Apr 2013 #317

Please add: bvar22 Apr 2013 #319

WOW. Very interesting timing 99th_Monkey Apr 2013 #320

There ARE no coinkidinkies. bvar22 Apr 2013 #322

He's not failing at all. He is aggressively and successfully implementing woo me with science Apr 2013 #301

You had me going 99th_Monkey Apr 2013 #318

Rec'd, even though this isn't a vacuous kitty cartoon on a political site just1voice Mar 2013 #163

Because he has been bought and paid for. roody Mar 2013 #168

Because Monsanto is the most evil corporation ever Progressive dog Mar 2013 #173

+1 wtmusic Apr 2013 #268

An Obama appointee from DC had Easter dinner with us emsimon33 Mar 2013 #176

Oh like Gay Marriage, gun control, and Cha Mar 2013 #181

More from Jon Rappaport... SidDithers Mar 2013 #178

I was already aware of these appointments G_j Mar 2013 #186

The USDA/ NIFA accusation is total BS... here's the real person: farmbo Mar 2013 #246

And you won't get one, either. kurtzapril4 Mar 2013 #251

He is simply following the Clinton Doctrine of Total Solvency after an individual leaves the truedelphi Mar 2013 #185

I tried to rec your topic, but the rec feature truedelphi Mar 2013 #188

On edit: Glad you got it to work. woo me with science Mar 2013 #206

"important thread"... SidDithers Mar 2013 #207

The ones that are unimportant woo me with science Mar 2013 #210

"This is an important thread." ProSense Mar 2013 #208

Because if you "hoped" there'd be a "change" from corporate ownership of our government... you were villager Mar 2013 #192

We all did hope there'd be change, and that was exactly right - truedelphi Mar 2013 #211

Need more recs for the greatest page! n-t Logical Mar 2013 #195

Several things: jazzimov Mar 2013 #204

Again, thank you, jazzimov.. for bringing facts and logic Cha Mar 2013 #230

BTW one of the most well established critics of Gm food is truedelphi Mar 2013 #215

GMOs go nice with a jigger of fracking water. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #218

the stupid has been stinking for a LONG time now Skittles Mar 2013 #224

110 Recs... SidDithers Mar 2013 #234

121 now! Thanks for the bump! n-t Logical Mar 2013 #253

Proud to support Jon Rappaport, are you?... SidDithers Apr 2013 #259

I wish Obama would grow some balls and Reid would grow a spine. Crowman1979 Mar 2013 #235

That assumes they aren't doing exactly what they want to do n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #274

This is a rhetorical question, right? nt dflprincess Mar 2013 #240

Great Post Heather!! supercats Mar 2013 #242

USA hasn't had a president since Kennedy with any real power. ConcernedCanuk Mar 2013 #252

Yeah, um...I voted for Kucinich. n/t flvegan Mar 2013 #256

He also hired Sempra Energy's former lobbyist as Deputy Director of the Interior Dept. Liberty Belle Apr 2013 #271

+1 Thank you. nt woo me with science Apr 2013 #279

Whew! You seem to have opened another can of worms here... ReRe Apr 2013 #280

Not a lot of controversy. woo me with science Apr 2013 #281

You're probably right, wmws... ReRe Apr 2013 #283

+1000 Logical Apr 2013 #321

Appointments are typically the persons thought best to get the job done indepat Apr 2013 #302

Yes, and Obama's corporate appointments make it crystal clear woo me with science Apr 2013 #303

It's all so simple when actions taken are viewed in context of the whole indepat Apr 2013 #312

because he fucking lied to us DiverDave Apr 2013 #315

Because there are only so many former Goldman Sachs executives. nt Common Sense Party Apr 2013 #327