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In reply to the discussion: New study finds no link between 'too many vaccines' and autism [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)58. Unsupportable and unsustainable given the current health trends. Wait and see.
Last edited Wed Apr 3, 2013, 02:16 PM - Edit history (2)
Please read the full letter at the link provided. Here is an excerpt of 4 paragraphs. My apologies for any inadvertent copyright infringement.http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/07/dear-dr-novella.html
Dr. Jon Poling to Dr. Steven Novella: Don't Attack the Moms
Managing Editor's Note: The following is a letter sent to Dr. Steven Novella, a neurologist at Yale University, from Dr. Jon Poling. (We've printed the letter with permission.) Dr. Novella is the founder of The New England Skeptical Society (meetings, 1st Tuesday of the month, on the lawn of the House of the Seven Gables, Salem, MA. BYOB (bring your own blinders.) and is a contributing editor to Quackwatch. Dr. Poling is a neurologist/PhD and the father of Miss Hannah Poling.
Posted by Age of Autism at July 22, 2008
Dr. Jon Poling to Dr. Steven Novella: Don't Attack the Moms
Managing Editor's Note: The following is a letter sent to Dr. Steven Novella, a neurologist at Yale University, from Dr. Jon Poling. (We've printed the letter with permission.) Dr. Novella is the founder of The New England Skeptical Society (meetings, 1st Tuesday of the month, on the lawn of the House of the Seven Gables, Salem, MA. BYOB (bring your own blinders.) and is a contributing editor to Quackwatch. Dr. Poling is a neurologist/PhD and the father of Miss Hannah Poling.
Dear Dr. Novella,
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With regard to the science of Autism, I have no argument with the assertion that a single case does not prove causation of a generalized autism-vaccine link. What the case does illustrate though is a more subtle point that many physicians cannot or do not want to comprehend (ostensibly because vaccines are too important to even question). Autism is a heterogeneous disorder defined by behavioral criteria and having multiple causes. Epidemiological studies which have not found a link between autism and aspects of vaccination do not consider the concept of autism subgroups. Indeed, in a heterogeneous disorder like Autism, subgroups may indeed be vaccine-injured but the effect is diluted out in the larger population (improperly powered study due to inability to calculate effect size with unknown susceptible subpopulation). I think former NIH Director, Dr. Bernadine Healey explained it best in that population epidemiology studies are not granular enough to rule-out a susceptible subgroup.
Furthermore, science has not systematically studied the children who fell ill following vaccination to determine what the cause(s) for their adverse reaction was. It would follow that if you never tried to understand why a single child developed encephalopathy following vaccinationyou wouldnt have the first clue as to what aspects of vaccination you could alter which could increase the relative risk of that adverse event (whether it be thimerosal, live virus, or too many). Could the susceptibility be a mitochondrial genetic haplogroup similar to Chloramphenicol toxicitysure it could! Why did a few Alzheimers patients die of fatal encephalitis following administration of the failed AN-1792 vaccine, but the majority had no ill effects (vaccine didnt work though)?
Definition: Autism is a heterogeneous systemic disorder with primary neuropsychiatric manifestations due to complex genetic and gene-environmental interactions likely affecting synaptic plasticity early in childhood development. This new theory of Autism is rapidly replacing the old guard dictum that Autism is a genetically predetermined developmental brain disorder of synaptic formation/pruning that is set in motion prenatally. By the 10 year rule of science, your time is about up!
Until the biological basis of ASD subgroups are better understood, further epidemiological and genetic studies regarding Autism causation will be relatively meaningless. We need good science to be able to address these complex issues which parallel nicely the emerging story of genetic and environmental influences in Parkinsons disease. Perhaps some Parkinsons researchers want to take a crack at Autism?
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Thank-you Dr. Novella and his band of skeptics for continuing the debate.
Dr. Jon Poling
Jon S. Poling MD PhD
Managing Partner, Athens Neurological Associates
Clinical Assistant Professor, Department of Neurology, Medical College of Georgia
Diplomate, American Association of Neuromuscular and Electrodiagnostic Medicine
ASN Certified in MRI and CT Neuroimaging
Posted by Age of Autism at July 22, 2008
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The majority have a child with autism and have ZERO ulterior motives to mislead or misdirect.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#57
That factor alone doesn't cut it, I agree with you. They are saying to the public there is more.
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2013
#63
Please see graphics in posts #33 , #35 and #59 together in order to grasp the concerns of many @AOA.
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2013
#65
So forget the analogy. Recent remarks by these four establishment researchers contradict the study.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#15
I'd like to recommend that you read these quotes in their full context at the linked posts.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#25
"Dr. Geraldine Dawson, chief science officer for the advocacy group Autism Speaks."
Starry Messenger
Mar 2013
#34
That 2009 publicity campaign sounds abysmal, though created by two fathers of children with autism.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#39
it shames me that people think age of autism our adventure in autism should be
Godhumor
Mar 2013
#20
Unsupportable and unsustainable given the current health trends. Wait and see.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#58
some of those funds need to be directed towards transitioning adults from school to work and
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2013
#28
The implications of the flawed control group design discussed here by AOA contributor J.Thompson.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#17
Please consider the primary sources cited, NOT the news aggregator/analysis websites, per se. nt
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#26
Then you should post the primary source without the advocacy site middleman...nt
SidDithers
Mar 2013
#27
Ginger Taylor: Overall health outcomes matter, not merely reduction of communicable disease levels.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#35
I was quoting Ginger Taylor's recent testimony before the Maine legislature re: informed consent.
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#40
I don't have more time to spend on this, however... according to research posted at AOA,
proverbialwisdom
Mar 2013
#59
Now that you are locked out, you really won't be adding anymore tripe to this thread!
morningfog
Apr 2013
#75
Exactly. So what about the 99% of EVERYONE ELSE who's vaccinated and WITHOUT autism
alp227
Apr 2013
#70
That's because all the research supports vaccines. Those who refuse vaccines are selfish
morningfog
Apr 2013
#74