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Comrade Grumpy

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113. I think you made a distinction that reveals an important fault line.

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 01:19 PM

Mar 2013

"I'm not a liberal feminist. Equality is not my goal, ending the patriarchy is."

I think "liberal feminism," i.e. the struggle for equality, is (or at least should be) non-controversial within the Democratic Party and on Democratic Underground. Who here doesn't support equal pay for equal work, breaking glass ceilings, reproductive rights, etc?

But "radical feminism," i.e. ending the patriarchy, runs into resistance. It is a broader, deeper critique that not everybody wants to buy into. I think to many, it feels like an attack on men. It also, at least around here, seems to come off as a grim world view where every man is a potential rapist and every woman a potential victim, where every image of a breast is a sign of patriarchal oppression. There's more to life than that.

You see the split between liberals and radicals on all sorts of issues here, not just feminism. (In the liberal view, Obama is a more or less progressive president; in the radical view, he's just a tool of his capitalist masters, perpetuating the system.)

One last thought: I have trouble attributing agency to abstract nouns. I had that problem as a student of Marxism, when people would say "capitalism did this or that." I have the same problem saying "patriarchy did this or that." I mean, I understand the notion of cultural constructs and all that, but I still look for human agency.

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MRA's (Mens Rights Activists) are extremely critical of feminism. [View all] boston bean Mar 2013 OP

Well, it's simple, Boston Bean... Scootaloo Mar 2013 #1

I hope I that I stated what I wanted to say clearly. boston bean Mar 2013 #2

Sometimes one does wonder... Scootaloo Apr 2013 #182

I have thought for some time that ALL social issues, truebluegreen Apr 2013 #336

Alternatively jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #3

I agree Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #4

Dunno jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #10

false equivalency abounds! CTyankee Mar 2013 #6

It's apt jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #41

not sure of what you mean about feminist "sins" against men... CTyankee Mar 2013 #69

We're uppity - that's our sin. We're supposed to be meek and submissive little wifeys. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #277

funny that I haven't heard from any of the guys on this...I sure wish they'd tell me CTyankee Apr 2013 #287

Like hell you are Occulus Apr 2013 #354

You don't know what your sin is? AgainsttheCrown Apr 2013 #380

I've got to debunk your first sentence. boston bean Mar 2013 #8

One of the most productive discussions we've had on DU in years was "benevolent sexism" lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #288

You seem to be getting stuck on the fact that all feminists don't agree on all feminist Squinch Apr 2013 #302

I think I read the same OP you did. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #317

Neither is any list from the NRA a definitive list of "what gun advocates are working on." Squinch Apr 2013 #319

Your first sentence is exactly right. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #321

I see you often in discussions about gun control. I haven't seen you call out Wayne LaPierre. Squinch Apr 2013 #342

I rarely (almost never) wade into discussions about gun control. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #343

So you went searching hard for outrageousness. And you found it. Squinch Apr 2013 #344

Seeing as how it was posted, and cheered, right here at DU, the "search" was quite short. opiate69 Apr 2013 #345

are you talking about starving boys? cheered? cause i really have an issue seabeyond Apr 2013 #347

I`m talking about the link to the nutcase`s site. opiate69 Apr 2013 #348

and it is shamefully irresponsible to feel gossip that women on du would advocate starving boys. seabeyond Apr 2013 #356

I dd no such thing.. however, opiate69 Apr 2013 #357

i am not gonna play the chicken shit, dishonest, petty little fuckin game. you and others can seabeyond Apr 2013 #361

Again.. where did I specifically accuse you or anybody of cheering starving little boys? opiate69 Apr 2013 #363

playing fuckin games... about starving children. screeeam. seabeyond Apr 2013 #366

It is not as disgusting as BostonBean accusing a father of incest. nt Bonobo Apr 2013 #368

instead of actually thinking about what is being said here, you continue the game. seabeyond Apr 2013 #369

btw opiate. i understand that was in COMMENT section. is that correct? comments? right? now i seabeyond Apr 2013 #362

Other people in your group saw, and praised, the comments... opiate69 Apr 2013 #373

again... dishonest presentation. 1 poster said the comments funny or something. NOT specifically seabeyond Apr 2013 #374

Uh-yup... As I expected.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #375

praise? saying i do not know what comment she talked about. saying i do not know if she read seabeyond Apr 2013 #376

They were in the fucking comments of the article which was posted ffs. opiate69 Apr 2013 #378

i will say it once more. i went into the blog AFTER bb locked it to see where the comment was. seabeyond Apr 2013 #379

As opiate69 points out, one need not go far to find that particular outrageousness. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #346

was that the one that advocated starving little boys? arely staircase Apr 2013 #353

Ever hear of Jonathan Swift? Squinch Apr 2013 #372

Your contention is that it was... satire? Marr Apr 2013 #377

The one woman who said Adria "has a history of unproductive trolling" redqueen Mar 2013 #9

Aw jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #14

Twitter is not a work site for her betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #350

Nice try jollyreaper2112 Apr 2013 #355

I see your point in saying that there are bad actors on both sides, but I have to disagree Squinch Mar 2013 #53

"The side with the upper hand is the one that needs to step back." CrispyQ Mar 2013 #63

"The woman" was not out of line. She neither induced the stupid and off-topic mbperrin Mar 2013 #83

very insightful. i am impressed. i was hearing the "to do" about this but didnt get informed cause seabeyond Mar 2013 #124

they made a joke not directed at her Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #129

The joke was directed at anyone who heard it. People too stupid to know that sound waves mbperrin Mar 2013 #144

corporate tools who fire people for juvenile offenses is *my* problem. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #145

hostile work environments are in about all employment agreements. break the law and co policy, you seabeyond Mar 2013 #147

yeh and nobody is more hostile than a self-important corporate tool. \n Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #148

good to know, you are on record opposing the laws that do not allow sexism in a work place. seabeyond Mar 2013 #149

You are in the wrong on this one. Just admit it. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #278

I'm not outraged. I'm a teacher. mbperrin Mar 2013 #150

Oh Shit! redqueen Mar 2013 #152

YIKES!!! chervilant Mar 2013 #157

"remember, when measuring, it's from the TOP of the penis." In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #186

I sure like your style, mbperrin. Whisp Apr 2013 #274

WIN. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #279

Then I was an idiot for firing the employee who used the word "faggot" repeatedly? LanternWaste Apr 2013 #233

Should "we" chervilant Mar 2013 #156

that is not what she did BainsBane Apr 2013 #392

That was very well said Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #5

"constantly being antagonistic towards men" redqueen Mar 2013 #7

A small number of them are antagonistic towards men Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #11

I thought you meant on DU. redqueen Mar 2013 #15

I never said it was logical, but a lot of people are not logical Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #20

Antagonistic toward sexism and misogyny is not antagonstic towards men. redqueen Mar 2013 #22

most feminists believe boston bean Mar 2013 #23

I believe the patriarchy is a real thing Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #29

Do you think that "small group" that is antagonistic toward "men in general" is on DU? redqueen Mar 2013 #31

I think there are a tiny handful of them, yes Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #39

I'm glad we have some men here who see things as they are. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #42

Agree! Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #45

I agree and I think it's worth adding that that tiny handful isn't exclusively women. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #292

MRA's do not believe the patriarchy exists. boston bean Mar 2013 #33

The MRA groups are often very antagonistic Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #44

Well, this brings us back to the OP boston bean Mar 2013 #48

I know you are correct on that point Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #56

Okay, so you want everyone who "doesn't believe The Patriarchy exists" banned? Which "Patriarchy"? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #238

The MRA group linked in the OP supports the equal rights amendment. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #293

I never said it was Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #24

So, it's not really the cause, boston bean Mar 2013 #26

I certainly think we need to talk about the system that oppresses women Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #35

Of course. Let me be the first to tell you that boston bean Mar 2013 #36

+10000000000 redqueen Mar 2013 #43

I am not suggesting that you have to say "I don't mean you" every single time Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #54

Well, we don't tolerate racists on DU. They don't get ignored. boston bean Mar 2013 #61

I think you are responding to the wrong person because I never said you should tolerate it Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #70

My apologies, I did misunderstand. boston bean Mar 2013 #72

Do you think feminists on DU post OPs or comments simply to "start gender wars"? nt redqueen Mar 2013 #78

The vast majority of them don't, but there are a tiny handful that I believe do that Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #80

The only bad apples I see here are the few misogynist trolls who try to kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #280

Who is this small group? haikugal Mar 2013 #107

WOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #46

Hey you! redqueen Mar 2013 #47

Hey you, back ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #57

and i STILL want to get back to you from a couple weeks ago. i gotta figure, seabeyond Mar 2013 #125

Bingo. Little Star Mar 2013 #51

Wow indeed. Hayabusa Apr 2013 #193

Of course. Like so many men who benefit from the patriarchy every day of their lives, kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #281

I don't benefit from anything. Hayabusa Apr 2013 #297

ORLY?? kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #301

Yup, my misfortunes in life are plenty funny. Hayabusa Apr 2013 #310

And a fish ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #308

Oh, I understand the concept plenty enough Hayabusa Apr 2013 #311

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #312

So, because I'm not female Hayabusa Apr 2013 #313

Take a moment and re-read what I wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2013 #349

I don't understand. How can we become equal unless the patriarchy is ended first? Zorra Mar 2013 #73

It's not a negative qualifier, just a different theory of feminism. redqueen Mar 2013 #77

I see. Thanks. Zorra Mar 2013 #85

LOL....love it! +++++ haikugal Mar 2013 #111

as most all of us are. you are right. we have had to look up definitions as accusation are hurled seabeyond Mar 2013 #126

I think you made a distinction that reveals an important fault line. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #113

:-) MuseRider Mar 2013 #123

For some, the whole issue IS a gender war. polly7 Mar 2013 #28

This!! ^^^^^^^^^ BuddhaGirl Mar 2013 #140

Any movement that changed society, throughout history, was considered Squinch Mar 2013 #168

A question, haikugal Mar 2013 #81

I already said I will not name names in this thread, but it is a very small number of them Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #84

My question haikugal Mar 2013 #95

You must have responded to the wrong person then because you replied to me not Red Queen Bjorn Against Mar 2013 #97

OK... haikugal Mar 2013 #109

Links would not violate rules, and would allow some credibility LanternWaste Apr 2013 #234

you mean the premise like "There are MRAs on DU" in "certain groups", wink wink? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #242

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #25

and why shouldn't it be alerted on? boston bean Mar 2013 #27

Thus far, chervilant Mar 2013 #74

wtf is "feminist governance"? sigmasix Mar 2013 #12

It's their imaginary friend. Or imaginary disapproving mother. Can't look too deep into this Squinch Mar 2013 #62

mommy issues sigmasix Mar 2013 #119

That is very interesting! And I am being totally serious and not Squinch Mar 2013 #166

I don't need to ask for directions damn it MattBaggins Apr 2013 #200

. Squinch Apr 2013 #201

cause you meant to take that two hour detour, right? that pretty park was a must see. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #203

I agree that using this approach seems to be part of the problem sigmasix Apr 2013 #222

I hear what you are saying, but at a young age, I made a conscious Squinch Apr 2013 #305

very, very well said. agreed. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #306

i see what you're saying and I agree sigmasix Apr 2013 #318

You keep saying things that turn on light bulbs for me. Squinch Apr 2013 #320

DU Rec Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #13

I think they snowballed from legitimate complaints of he legal system ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #16

MRAs hate men like Jackson Katz. redqueen Mar 2013 #17

Sad to say, the men on DU who openly show support for us get that same treatment. n/t Little Star Mar 2013 #21

WTF? LIB! Helen Reddy Mar 2013 #19

They can have their fun in their little group, as can the feminists... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #18

I haven't seen any MRA extremists here. polly7 Mar 2013 #32

Here's the really fun part Major Nikon Mar 2013 #87

What do you think of reddit's men's rights subforum? redqueen Mar 2013 #90

I've never seen it Major Nikon Mar 2013 #94

Oh please, not that witch hunt again. redqueen Mar 2013 #96

Yes, someone did post it there. That's kind of the whole point. Major Nikon Mar 2013 #102

I didn't click it, assumed you were talking about something more recent. Re-read, I've edited. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #103

If you don't want to discuss it, take it out of your signature. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #110

Here's more of the fun part Major Nikon Mar 2013 #115

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #272

WTF is that? LittleBlue Mar 2013 #98

It's something no one takes literally... well, except redqueen Mar 2013 #100

So you actually think it was posted as a joke? Major Nikon Mar 2013 #106

You should ask the person who links to that site with each and every one of their posts Major Nikon Mar 2013 #101

That was supposedly written way back in 1968. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #282

"Supposedly"???? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #285

It was written by a self-described feminist Major Nikon Apr 2013 #286

Your post chervilant Mar 2013 #164

"The feminists" are a divisive group? Squinch Mar 2013 #64

No. Just the ones who claim to discuss feminist "history" while doing nothing of the sort. Occulus Apr 2013 #325

you ought to pay attention to all the men that perfectly understood the issue and though those seabeyond Apr 2013 #326

I hear this all the time. First, if you are going to call out a group, Squinch Apr 2013 #327

First, I did not call out a group. I pointed specifically to individuals within the group. Occulus Apr 2013 #328

here is the obvious. someone asked what benevolent sexism is. i gave exampleS and definition. YOU seabeyond Apr 2013 #329

Except that the whole "door" controversy was manufactured by people trying to discredit Squinch Apr 2013 #331

Then we agree, because that is the whole of my point. Occulus Apr 2013 #334

That's pretty childish, don't you think? You forgot to put "nyah!" at the end of it. Squinch Apr 2013 #381

No, not really. Occulus Apr 2013 #384

"your whole fucking culture alienates me!" redqueen Apr 2013 #333

"So, fuck them. Right in the ear." Scout Apr 2013 #337

Thank you for that. Occulus Apr 2013 #351

Go into the feminist groups you in your manly wisdom deem worthy and ask about benevolent sexism. redqueen Apr 2013 #330

double dog dare.... nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #332

The Men's Rights Movement: Southern Poverty Law Center take cali Mar 2013 #30

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #386

Oh, but why leave out the "money shot"???? opiate69 Apr 2013 #389

Yeah! We want everyone to enjoy yarn-themed activities. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #34

Maybe & that could make them a danger. n/t Little Star Mar 2013 #60

You mean they don't already enjoy yarn-themed activities? Our culture IS in trouble! Squinch Apr 2013 #303

Ooh, good idea! knitter4democracy Apr 2013 #304

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #37

Excellent point! In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #187

If MRA types were serious, they would be allied with feminists in working against the patriarchy... YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #38

Using the source provided by the OP lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #93

My brother is one of these MRA guys. "Feminist governance"? ProfessionalLeftist Mar 2013 #40

Yep. Little Star Mar 2013 #65

Well said...Thank You! haikugal Mar 2013 #114

+1 ~ Everything in the "Part Four: List of Men's Rights Issues" excerpt Zorra Mar 2013 #49

The problem is, and always will be that of identification. Zeteticus Mar 2013 #50

Personally, I think the actual issue is more about who holds the most power not.. Little Star Mar 2013 #55

I agree in regard to the power structure... Zeteticus Mar 2013 #67

When you reduce it to its most basic component, MRAs have mommy issues. All of them. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #52

And when it comes to some of the radical feminists whose methods of polly7 Mar 2013 #66

lol Sheldon Cooper Mar 2013 #75

Thanks, glad you get humour out of the same thing you're skewering polly7 Mar 2013 #76

Your awesome polly7 Phlem Apr 2013 #184

ah, so another, i really use to support women but now, meh. no way. really? seabeyond Apr 2013 #190

Ha! Phlem Apr 2013 #226

you say... we lost your support. i ask what that means. you do not answer. all the rest is filler. seabeyond Apr 2013 #228

What's this? Phlem Apr 2013 #231

you say no support toward women. i ask what that means. no support for equal pay? seabeyond Apr 2013 #239

you don't seem to understand do you. Phlem Apr 2013 #243

lol. so, you wont tell me how our loss of support from you will effect us, or what that means. hmm seabeyond Apr 2013 #245

Gotcha? Phlem Apr 2013 #246

not really. i have been consistent. hey, just do not vote against wife and daughters interests seabeyond Apr 2013 #248

Whatever Phlem Apr 2013 #250

I get where you're coming from ... polly7 Apr 2013 #204

This approach is how you attract bees. Phlem Apr 2013 #230

you calling names using scorn and ridicule is not abuse. me challenging you on putting out you dont seabeyond Apr 2013 #241

Why do you have to ask? Phlem Apr 2013 #244

but i do not have the answers. obviously. hence my repeated questions to you. YOU seem to not seabeyond Apr 2013 #247

And again Phlem Apr 2013 #249

Misandry? Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #253

Yes Phlem Apr 2013 #258

"keep it up mouth"? Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #255

No Phlem Apr 2013 #257

wtf? i am suppose to know your history? you snark, snide, ridicule, insult and that makes ME seabeyond Apr 2013 #261

lol Phlem Apr 2013 #262

you mean, i do not even get to decide if i can callout you snark, snide, ridicule, insult seabeyond Apr 2013 #263

Ok, I'll bite - where is this supposed hateful rhetoric and ideology happening? Dash87 Apr 2013 #197

Hey Dash - Squinch Apr 2013 #214

LOL Phlem Apr 2013 #260

So you think Herb Goldberg has "mommy issues"? Major Nikon Mar 2013 #117

lol Phlem Apr 2013 #259

The worst part is most of them aren't even activists. Evoman Mar 2013 #58

Men do have shelters Major Nikon Mar 2013 #120

Ah no, that's the place men who commit crimes go, not men who get beat up. Evoman Mar 2013 #142

Exactly Major Nikon Mar 2013 #143

So what are you going to do about it? Evoman Mar 2013 #146

If money is being taken from the government, then people have a right to complain Major Nikon Mar 2013 #151

MRAs won't do that work. They'd rather cry about why feminists aren't doing it *for* them. redqueen Mar 2013 #153

we have been called out continually, to go fight mans battle. if we are not equally fighting mans seabeyond Mar 2013 #155

I've never even claimed it was my battle Major Nikon Mar 2013 #160

i know you do not claim it to be your battle. you claim it to be our battle ... for men. you do seabeyond Mar 2013 #161

Not correct Major Nikon Mar 2013 #162

that is right. cant dig for the post. in meta. people will just have to go off memory. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #163

You won't find anything that contradicts the other post Major Nikon Mar 2013 #171

i clearly said, and will repeat. yes. i know. it was never your battle. it was derailing to seabeyond Mar 2013 #173

Not the battle. The tactic. Major Nikon Mar 2013 #175

What battle? polly7 Mar 2013 #177

I'm not so sure that behavior enjoys gender exclusion Major Nikon Mar 2013 #158

I support your comment. n/t Helen Reddy Mar 2013 #127

A combination of fools and Astroturf. bemildred Mar 2013 #59

"feminist governance" CrispyQ Mar 2013 #68

I think that 'governance' is really another word for Whisp Mar 2013 #88

Which means MRA groups should really be called VCU groups for Squinch Mar 2013 #170

Pointing to genders of decision-makers doesn't resolve the question. Jim Lane Mar 2013 #135

Men have no say on feminism. ananda Mar 2013 #71

There is no subject on which any demographic has "no say" on anything. nt. sibelian Mar 2013 #92

Another "shut up and do as you are told" lover of equal rights? ElboRuum Mar 2013 #104

I believe the only man who has a say on abortion is the woman's doctor. CrispyQ Mar 2013 #138

I agree with this. And the only say the doctor has is what time the appointment should be. Squinch Mar 2013 #169

In an ideal world, in the case of a complicated pregnancy, CrispyQ Apr 2013 #195

Yes. At least that legislation brings the prevailing opinion of the Kansas and Arizona legislators Squinch Apr 2013 #196

I was a one issue voter for years, & that issue was reproductive choice. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #198

But fight it we must, and fight it we will! History tends toward Squinch Apr 2013 #199

So would it also be equally true that women have no say on men's rights issues? Major Nikon Mar 2013 #121

Excellent post--k&r spooky3 Mar 2013 #79

For further reading... Major Nikon Mar 2013 #82

It's not just feminists. It's all women. Dash87 Mar 2013 #86

All women don't believe the same things. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #108

Not even all feminists do Major Nikon Mar 2013 #112

I meant that AVoiceforMen and similar sites hate all women, not just feminists. Dash87 Mar 2013 #154

And yet at least two of their more popular bloggers are women. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #174

That hardly matters, as you can find any type of person anywhere to support dumb ideas. Dash87 Mar 2013 #180

Phyllis Schaffly did spawn, after all. Squinch Apr 2013 #215

Here is what she had to say about the Equal Rights Amendment lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #294

National Organization for Women thought men should be the sole breadwinners? That IS news. Squinch Apr 2013 #300

It matters when the post I'm responding to says "all women". n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #219

You've found an exception is all: Anyone that buys into their wacky ideology is fine to them. Dash87 Apr 2013 #237

I really can't stand this whole thing LittleBlue Mar 2013 #89

So many layers of presumption. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #91

Is the civil rights movement about advocacy or equality? Squinch Mar 2013 #176

A lot of men think women have it made in this country davidn3600 Mar 2013 #99

American women may be doing better than women around the world. undeterred Mar 2013 #105

A lot of men think that the earth is 4000 years old and Jesus rode a dinosaur around town. Squinch Mar 2013 #178

i LUV. yes, please. tell him and let us know what he says, lol. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #179

Because they are really insecure little boys. alarimer Mar 2013 #116

I have one bone to pick... ljm2002 Mar 2013 #118

hey... i was thinking this was a good idea to put this in GD. and here it is. ya. seabeyond Mar 2013 #122

k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #128

YOU.... seabeyond Mar 2013 #131

Well, I did call someone a troll. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #134

i hear ya. that might getcha or not. and ya seabeyond Mar 2013 #139

ha ha, I said I thought someone wasn't an idiot and got a hide bettyellen Mar 2013 #165

Interesting list. Rex Mar 2013 #130

Self-deleted because I refuse to say this was sarcasm again. n/t cynatnite Mar 2013 #132

Of course not, and anyone that says otherwise is full of 100% grade-A cow manure. Dash87 Mar 2013 #167

Forgot the sarcasm thingy. n/t cynatnite Apr 2013 #192

I can't think of one area where men have lost rights over time. Dash87 Apr 2013 #202

I was being sarcastic when I said it. n/t cynatnite Apr 2013 #206

They don't have fewer rights but Squinch Apr 2013 #205

I was being sarcastic when I said it. n/t cynatnite Apr 2013 #207

DAMN! That's three times today I didn't get sarcasm. I usually get it! Squinch Apr 2013 #209

Non native-american women can't be tried by tribal courts lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #221

nevermind. n/t cynatnite Apr 2013 #236

MRA is a hate movement, little different than white rights movements CreekDog Mar 2013 #133

What do MRA's say about specific laws that exemplify feminist principles? Jim Lane Mar 2013 #136

Most men's rights advocates are antifeminist pigs. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #137

K&R smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #141

We need to pass a new ERA felix_numinous Mar 2013 #159

Some feminists hated ERA too davidn3600 Apr 2013 #183

+1 In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #188

What's with this Fox news-ish "some say" stuff? That's the second time you've Squinch Apr 2013 #208

It's well-known common knowledge davidn3600 Apr 2013 #251

Like the way it's well known common knowledge Squinch Apr 2013 #256

I was referring to MRAs in that post davidn3600 Apr 2013 #264

Not an answer to the question. See what "some say" and get back to us. Squinch Apr 2013 #270

im not going to argue over semantics davidn3600 Apr 2013 #273

This. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #217

We are all equal but some are more equal than others, is the amendment NOW seems to want davidn3600 Apr 2013 #252

k and r niyad Mar 2013 #172

I'd never heard of MRAs until a day ago. blackspade Apr 2013 #181

Indeed! In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #185

Maybe some of these commenters haven't taken a women's study course mntleo2 Apr 2013 #189

what a post of stereotype accusations and dismissals. seabeyond Apr 2013 #191

^^^^^^^^ ^5 n/t Helen Reddy Apr 2013 #194

Do you have a link for the 43.3% lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #210

to be clear... you know, really clear. it was the feminist on du that demanded prison rape jokes seabeyond Apr 2013 #211

Yes. Credit where credit is due. Many people who identify as feminist have been in front of that. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #212

if you were to ask a feminist why men are 10x more likely to be in prison, it certainly would NOT be seabeyond Apr 2013 #213

^5! n/t Helen Reddy Apr 2013 #216

I have asked many feminists, and I often get that answer. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #218

and i have listened to many feminist and not heard one feminist say .... men are inherently bad. seabeyond Apr 2013 #220

I don't think I am the one picking and choosing. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #223

you dodged the point and took the argument elsewhere. nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #225

Your first point was that you hear "the evo bullshit" from men too. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #227

the point is you want to recognize men are not inherently violent, yet will promote seabeyond Apr 2013 #265

It isn't an all-or-nothing deal. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #283

this is getting good. down to the nitty gritty. but, alas, i have had too much wine. you know, seabeyond Apr 2013 #290

I will also PM you with the link mntleo2 Apr 2013 #391

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Apr 2013 #224

i would like to read up on this case also JI7 Apr 2013 #275

I didn't find anything either. Squinch Apr 2013 #307

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2021 #395

"I as a woman have seen the damage that feminism has done to men and boys." Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #284

Have you a link for that story? Over the years, I've seen you tell it here and on DKos but I've Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #295

hit and run? nt seabeyond Apr 2013 #296

There is nothing about this case anywhere on the net. The only Women's Studies story that I Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #298

hmmm. well, as you see from my reply. just not buying it. any of it. none of it makes sense seabeyond Apr 2013 #299

Years? redqueen Apr 2013 #322

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Apr 2013 #367

"I as a woman have seen the damage that feminism has done to men and boys. " geek tragedy Apr 2013 #341

Bullshit. Arkana Apr 2013 #359

You said "weapons-grade balonium!" Squinch Apr 2013 #382

Feminists do not want you to have to make alimony payments? WTF?! KittyWampus Apr 2013 #229

The way I read that, they are actually with you on this. Squinch Apr 2013 #309

Satan Worshippers are extremely critical of Christianity. Fred Phelps considers himself a Christian. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #232

Yup lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #235

This. Apophis Apr 2013 #266

Then they are not about men's rights Taverner Apr 2013 #240

Of course men's rights activists don't like feminism TimberValley Apr 2013 #254

Food for thought well worth dining on. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #267

Mostly, they hate paying child support. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 #268

i found texas to be very equitable. not so much louisanna. that is why i have a tough time with seabeyond Apr 2013 #269

Texas law comes from Spanish law. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 #271

There are some legitimate gender-specific complaints that men can raise... Deep13 Apr 2013 #276

WTH cares what the so-called "MRA's" like or don't like? WinkyDink Apr 2013 #289

because they are gaining momentum. and hurting women. they are growing, louder, stronger. where seabeyond Apr 2013 #291

It's really quite simple. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #314

MRAs are a hate group. Odin2005 Apr 2013 #315

Excellent post n/t Notafraidtoo Apr 2013 #316

What the hell is "rape hysteria"??? Matariki Apr 2013 #323

"Mens rights" is kind of like "white pride" The Link Apr 2013 #324

They didn't always use to be this way... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #335

They're also making inroads in the atheist community. redqueen Apr 2013 #339

The atheists would do well in my opinion to distance themselves Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #340

That's food for thought. Jamastiene Apr 2013 #338

what is ironic is that outside of posts criticising them at du arely staircase Apr 2013 #352

MRAs are the gooniest motherfuckers on the face of the earth. Arkana Apr 2013 #358

Lol so true Dash87 Apr 2013 #364

I Seemed to have Missed it Macoy51 Apr 2013 #360

Those issues are out of feminist scope, Dash87 Apr 2013 #365

Out of Scope is Fine Macoy51 Apr 2013 #370

Who is saying that Feminists are allied to the MRA? Squinch Apr 2013 #383

MRA's are nearly as tough to swallow as MRE's. KamaAina Apr 2013 #371

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The Reddit MRA forum is a joke. Dash87 Apr 2013 #387

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Just to be clear, I wasn't dismissing it.. I was just trying to warn you about some of our more.. opiate69 Apr 2013 #393

I was about to tell you, every word you typed was about to be dismissed because of "REDDIT!!!!" opiate69 Apr 2013 #388

Women rape and commit as much domestic violence as men? BainsBane Apr 2013 #394

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