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Whisp

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102. I think it's important to let the Clinton presidential camp know

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:26 PM

Mar 2013

what we know now. That they can't make it all go away and that even though they would like some amnesia thrown in with their constant cravings for American Idol status, that there are hard and true facts that they can't dismiss.

Last time she thought it would be an inevitable cakewalk for her. But we know how that went. One of her biggest failings, and her team's (but I call it hers because she should have been in charge, she should not have the luxury of blaming others for her failings)

Another of her biggest failings was not realizing how archived records were so easily available through the internet. I think her being a luddite in that department also had a lot to do with her loss. Her Tuzla moment was the epic example of that. She just didn't think it was on record, that she could make up any kind of shit she wanted, because that's the way it always worked before.

These oversights don't come from a smart and savvy person, they come from neglecting facts. Who wants that as CiC?

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I decided I'll back Hillary to the hilt if she [View all] quinnox Mar 2013 OP

If she went to the left of Obama... Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #1

Sec'y Clinton will have to go to the left of... DonViejo Mar 2013 #5

oh, you are just being silly now. Whisp Mar 2013 #9

So... a President no longer has the power of the executive order?? Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #27

I'm certain this wasn't the only issue the Congress... DonViejo Mar 2013 #68

Define what you mean by "close Guantanamo"... brooklynite Mar 2013 #125

Short memories. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #26

An executive order is no longer valid? Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #29

Will Hillary have more success fighting the Congressional resistance? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #31

Who would take the prisoners? No state wants them. randome Mar 2013 #37

There's a brand new... DonViejo Mar 2013 #84

Congress retains the power of the purse, and they have explicitly forbid $1 US dollar from alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #104

Obama is the Commander in Chief. RC Mar 2013 #56

Transfer them where? randome Mar 2013 #93

Congress has explicitly forbid the federal government from spending a dollar to transfer any Gitmo alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #107

Obama only seems to have power when he wants it. RC Mar 2013 #110

That's not an answer to how you transfer prisoners when there is an explicit prohibition on alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #114

You seem to think the prisoners are all guilty of something. RC Mar 2013 #115

So lets do away with this powerless position. demwing Mar 2013 #65

It is good for tourism and nostalgia, Like royalty in England he has no power but Dragonfli Mar 2013 #78

No more kings? demwing Mar 2013 #92

going to the left of obama....there's an easy as pie task nt msongs Mar 2013 #82

I heard Chelsea is not going to have grandchildren libodem Mar 2013 #2

Who can predict whether Chelsea's kids will want children? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #46

It is just my personal libodem Mar 2013 #72

I love Hillary. She's one hell of a woman. I would back her unless we can Autumn Mar 2013 #3

I would support her if she runs and wins the primary, but I would prefer Warren or Grayson. nt NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #4

Sure ProSense Mar 2013 #6

!!! AtomicKitten Mar 2013 #61

Nope. No more Clintons, no more 3rd Way centrists. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #7

I'm done with primary campaign work for moderates, triangulators, and pragmatists HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #10

^^ This. n/t winter is coming Mar 2013 #118

+++1 patrice Mar 2013 #132

Hillary could surprise you quinnox Mar 2013 #20

Liberal? You mean like her IWR vote and vocal support for Bush's Iraq adventure? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #22

well, maybe she had to do that quinnox Mar 2013 #28

Of course you're excusing it. Marr Mar 2013 #59

How many people died because she cast a vote for her political career? dflprincess Mar 2013 #127

Liberal? You mean like her touting the "advantages" of outsourcing and increasing h1-b visas? antigop Mar 2013 #30

you obviously are no fan of Hillary quinnox Mar 2013 #34

You obviously have no reply to Hillary's selling out American workers. nt antigop Mar 2013 #36

I'll note at the end of the video she clearly says she thinks more Americans should be trained to quinnox Mar 2013 #38

We have PLENTY of engineers and IT people that are trained now whose jobs have been antigop Mar 2013 #41

well, I think you are a big time Hillary basher quinnox Mar 2013 #73

Telling the truth is NOT bashing. I think you have nothing to add because you cannot defend antigop Mar 2013 #121

Yes but they want more than minimum wage... zeemike Mar 2013 #100

You don't get it. Life Long Dem Mar 2013 #76

This is a good one too. Hillary defining HER concept of the "Middle Class". bvar22 Mar 2013 #108

yea, and guess what, Obama never followed through on that either quinnox Mar 2013 #109

she is so liberal she speaks about human rights and women and children's rights Whisp Mar 2013 #42

you are a well known Hillary basher quinnox Mar 2013 #47

it's not my personal view, it's history and a fact. Whisp Mar 2013 #55

I find your insinuations about Hillary very insulting quinnox Mar 2013 #58

history and fact can be very insulting to ones Whisp Mar 2013 #64

whatever quinnox Mar 2013 #67

my grudge is against people that support war and destruction. Whisp Mar 2013 #71

+1 chknltl Mar 2013 #95

I think it's important to let the Clinton presidential camp know Whisp Mar 2013 #102

Clear and concise reasoning for not supporting a Clinton bid to be the nominee. chknltl Mar 2013 #117

Yep zeemike Mar 2013 #103

+42 truth cuts like a knife nt green for victory Mar 2013 #135

Ummm, Hillary was/is a DLC member, NorthCarolina Mar 2013 #98

If true, she's hidden it well. And will likely go on hiding it well. winter is coming Mar 2013 #122

Bingo. 99Forever Mar 2013 #23

+1000 No more DLC/Third Wayers/Corporate Dems. nt antigop Mar 2013 #32

Yup RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #60

Agreed. Apophis Mar 2013 #87

Amen. No more corporatists and warmongers. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #97

+1000 dflprincess Mar 2013 #128

Clinton/Warren 2016 Helen Reddy Mar 2013 #8

Sold! nt onehandle Mar 2013 #14

Warren/Sebelius 2016 patrice Mar 2013 #133

Understood. n/t Helen Reddy Apr 2013 #152

Oh Goodie, a war hawk who is cozy with the Bushes & defense industry. woohoo. KittyWampus Mar 2013 #11

Oh, goodie -- someone who sold out American workers! YIPPEE!! antigop Mar 2013 #33

Due to the state of the country, her ideology is unacceptably dangerous being dedicated TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #12

I thought it was clear quinnox Mar 2013 #17

I'm in madokie Mar 2013 #13

yup, likewise quinnox Mar 2013 #24

No, it's damn well time we have a president who sticks up for American workers. antigop Mar 2013 #35

Gavin Newsom *whistling* Gavin Newsom Cleita Mar 2013 #66

Yeah, he's beautiful; however, he does have a predilection for juajen Apr 2013 #154

Half irish, eh? No wonder my heart was going pitter patter. Cleita Apr 2013 #156

I'm on the Hillary bandwagon! Laurian Mar 2013 #15

I will back the Democratic candidate for President in 2016, MineralMan Mar 2013 #16

Your last sentence ^^^^^ treestar Mar 2013 #19

2014 is SO important. MineralMan Mar 2013 #21

Amen! treestar Mar 2013 #25

October 26, 1947 (age 65), date of birth treestar Mar 2013 #18

And she's in great shape. Kurovski Mar 2013 #40

blood clot in her head krawhitham Mar 2013 #53

Hasn't that been dissolved? What is the latest? juajen Apr 2013 #155

I won't. She's a foreign-policy failure. She's learned nothing from her IWR days. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #39

whatever quinnox Mar 2013 #43

SoS was a you scratch my back/I'll scratch yours deal. She was pretty much a figurehead TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #52

It was in Obama's interest to say so - otherwise he is saying HIS policy was a failure. karynnj Mar 2013 #120

She was the most obvious person for the republicans to attack juajen Apr 2013 #158

I said awhile back I wouldn't support her during the primaries... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #44

thank you quinnox Mar 2013 #45

I wouldn't vote for her even if she had the nomination. Marr Mar 2013 #48

Do you place President Obama in that category? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #50

Yes. /nt Marr Mar 2013 #51

Lets not and say we did krawhitham Mar 2013 #49

glad obama is prez but would support clinton Liberal_in_LA Mar 2013 #54

No thanks LittleBlue Mar 2013 #57

Agreed. I would like to see Gavin Newsom run. Cleita Mar 2013 #62

Good idea LittleBlue Mar 2013 #69

Like in the recent past? Yeah, that's gotta change this next election. Cleita Mar 2013 #70

Damn it, she is a Rodham, not a Clinton. She should take back her juajen Apr 2013 #157

I decided I'll back Hillary to the hilt... Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #63

A lot of people in this thread are going to get banned from DU if they don't vote for the nominee. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #74

the Hillary bashers took over my thread quinnox Mar 2013 #75

She polls incredibly well over the leading Republicans: Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #80

I thank you for trying to reason with them... Agschmid Mar 2013 #129

Right now there is no nominee dflprincess Mar 2013 #130

+ 1000. Thank you! nt antigop Mar 2013 #131

I'm not against that. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #146

I'm OK with moderates. But cowards? No. mainer Mar 2013 #77

wow, what a pile on quinnox Mar 2013 #79

I once loved the idea of Hillary as President. mainer Mar 2013 #81

I'm not, thanks for the explanation quinnox Mar 2013 #83

fact is, some of us hate what she stands for, and who she buckles under for. Whisp Mar 2013 #85

they are not Hillary " HATERS " olddots Mar 2013 #90

IF????? PolitFreak Mar 2013 #86

Whoever it takes to bar the gates of hell and keep the Republicans down there aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2013 #88

I can't back any more DLC corporate politicians, the people can't take much more triangulated Dragonfli Mar 2013 #89

I cannot support another DLC corporate candidate like Clinton ever again. MadHound Mar 2013 #91

Sorry but you may as well give us your pick on 2020, as well. randome Mar 2013 #94

TOTALLY beyurslf Mar 2013 #96

exactly! quinnox Mar 2013 #99

I supported her last time and I will again... cynatnite Mar 2013 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author quinnox Mar 2013 #106

I ma 100% for Hillary to continue the great agenda of President Obama graham4anything Mar 2013 #105

Hillary would be a throwback to Obama's successes. Whisp Mar 2013 #112

Michelle can continue to do that in 2024 and 2028. 2016 is too early for that. graham4anything Mar 2013 #113

Although I really admire Michelle, I just don't think she is a political animal Whisp Mar 2013 #116

I thought you were going to say "if she regularly mentioned kittycats", LOL just1voice Mar 2013 #111

The haters who responded to you make me laugh. stevenleser Mar 2013 #119

Ah, yes ...Add "1" to the "inevitability" meme counter. nt antigop Mar 2013 #124

You remind me of Freepers who think the same joke is just as funny the 1000th time they tell it. stevenleser Mar 2013 #134

At least try and cut out the "inevitability" meme. nt antigop Mar 2013 #136

Nope, that's my belief. if that bothers you, you better find a way to deal. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #140

You"ll just have to deal with my adding to the "inevitability" meme counter when I see it. nt antigop Mar 2013 #141

And you will have to deal with me pointing how freeperesque it is to tell the same joke 1000 times. stevenleser Mar 2013 #148

It's not a joke. nt antigop Mar 2013 #149

and I'll add to the counter every time someone tries to spread the "inevitability" meme. nt antigop Mar 2013 #137

See, that's a little better. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #139

Why does it bother you so much when I call out the "inevitability" meme? Hmmmm????? nt antigop Mar 2013 #143

I already told you, the 1000th time, its not funny anymore. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #147

It's not intended to be funny, but it really seems to bother you when I point it out. nt antigop Mar 2013 #150

She wanted the last one, too. Enough to try to scam it with superdelegates. We stopped her. Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #142

I will only support her if she completely rejects the policies of Obama and her Hubby Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #123

She is far too conservative for me so I won't support a primary campaign Warpy Mar 2013 #126

Way to go Quinnox! MoonRiver Mar 2013 #138

Add "1" to the "inevitability"meme counter. nt antigop Mar 2013 #144

pssst....don't tell anyone.... no one has announced for 2016. nt antigop Mar 2013 #145

I could only support Hillary........ rdharma Mar 2013 #151

Hillary is pure DLC/third-way. nt delrem Apr 2013 #153

k AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #159