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chknltl

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117. Clear and concise reasoning for not supporting a Clinton bid to be the nominee.

Sun Mar 31, 2013, 06:11 PM

Mar 2013

First off thank you for reminding me why I needed to be against Sen. Clinton in the '08 primaries. I recall googling Hillary Clinton Military Industrial Complex and was horrified by what I turned up. I also recall that horrible schism here in the DU between Clinton supporters and those who feared what impact a President Hillary Clinton would have on our country. Early on we were labeled by her supporters as' haters'. The word 'hate' is something I reserve for those who have caused sooooo much destruction on our planet in the name of greed or sociopathy. It would be accurate to say that I hate VP. Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh. Mrs Clinton has not earned my hate, she instead has earned my concern. I have come to expect being labeled a 'terrorist' from the crowd that claims that I am either with them or with the terrorists but it is hard to imagine that one would have to put up with that here. We lost a lot of good DUers back in the '08 primaries because things got out of hand between supporters and non-supporters. I hope things go better for all of us this time around.

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I decided I'll back Hillary to the hilt if she [View all] quinnox Mar 2013 OP

If she went to the left of Obama... Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #1

Sec'y Clinton will have to go to the left of... DonViejo Mar 2013 #5

oh, you are just being silly now. Whisp Mar 2013 #9

So... a President no longer has the power of the executive order?? Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #27

I'm certain this wasn't the only issue the Congress... DonViejo Mar 2013 #68

Define what you mean by "close Guantanamo"... brooklynite Mar 2013 #125

Short memories. Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #26

An executive order is no longer valid? Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #29

Will Hillary have more success fighting the Congressional resistance? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #31

Who would take the prisoners? No state wants them. randome Mar 2013 #37

There's a brand new... DonViejo Mar 2013 #84

Congress retains the power of the purse, and they have explicitly forbid $1 US dollar from alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #104

Obama is the Commander in Chief. RC Mar 2013 #56

Transfer them where? randome Mar 2013 #93

Congress has explicitly forbid the federal government from spending a dollar to transfer any Gitmo alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #107

Obama only seems to have power when he wants it. RC Mar 2013 #110

That's not an answer to how you transfer prisoners when there is an explicit prohibition on alcibiades_mystery Mar 2013 #114

You seem to think the prisoners are all guilty of something. RC Mar 2013 #115

So lets do away with this powerless position. demwing Mar 2013 #65

It is good for tourism and nostalgia, Like royalty in England he has no power but Dragonfli Mar 2013 #78

No more kings? demwing Mar 2013 #92

going to the left of obama....there's an easy as pie task nt msongs Mar 2013 #82

I heard Chelsea is not going to have grandchildren libodem Mar 2013 #2

Who can predict whether Chelsea's kids will want children? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #46

It is just my personal libodem Mar 2013 #72

I love Hillary. She's one hell of a woman. I would back her unless we can Autumn Mar 2013 #3

I would support her if she runs and wins the primary, but I would prefer Warren or Grayson. nt NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #4

Sure ProSense Mar 2013 #6

!!! AtomicKitten Mar 2013 #61

Nope. No more Clintons, no more 3rd Way centrists. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #7

I'm done with primary campaign work for moderates, triangulators, and pragmatists HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #10

^^ This. n/t winter is coming Mar 2013 #118

+++1 patrice Mar 2013 #132

Hillary could surprise you quinnox Mar 2013 #20

Liberal? You mean like her IWR vote and vocal support for Bush's Iraq adventure? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #22

well, maybe she had to do that quinnox Mar 2013 #28

Of course you're excusing it. Marr Mar 2013 #59

How many people died because she cast a vote for her political career? dflprincess Mar 2013 #127

Liberal? You mean like her touting the "advantages" of outsourcing and increasing h1-b visas? antigop Mar 2013 #30

you obviously are no fan of Hillary quinnox Mar 2013 #34

You obviously have no reply to Hillary's selling out American workers. nt antigop Mar 2013 #36

I'll note at the end of the video she clearly says she thinks more Americans should be trained to quinnox Mar 2013 #38

We have PLENTY of engineers and IT people that are trained now whose jobs have been antigop Mar 2013 #41

well, I think you are a big time Hillary basher quinnox Mar 2013 #73

Telling the truth is NOT bashing. I think you have nothing to add because you cannot defend antigop Mar 2013 #121

Yes but they want more than minimum wage... zeemike Mar 2013 #100

You don't get it. Life Long Dem Mar 2013 #76

This is a good one too. Hillary defining HER concept of the "Middle Class". bvar22 Mar 2013 #108

yea, and guess what, Obama never followed through on that either quinnox Mar 2013 #109

she is so liberal she speaks about human rights and women and children's rights Whisp Mar 2013 #42

you are a well known Hillary basher quinnox Mar 2013 #47

it's not my personal view, it's history and a fact. Whisp Mar 2013 #55

I find your insinuations about Hillary very insulting quinnox Mar 2013 #58

history and fact can be very insulting to ones Whisp Mar 2013 #64

whatever quinnox Mar 2013 #67

my grudge is against people that support war and destruction. Whisp Mar 2013 #71

+1 chknltl Mar 2013 #95

I think it's important to let the Clinton presidential camp know Whisp Mar 2013 #102

Clear and concise reasoning for not supporting a Clinton bid to be the nominee. chknltl Mar 2013 #117

Yep zeemike Mar 2013 #103

+42 truth cuts like a knife nt green for victory Mar 2013 #135

Ummm, Hillary was/is a DLC member, NorthCarolina Mar 2013 #98

If true, she's hidden it well. And will likely go on hiding it well. winter is coming Mar 2013 #122

Bingo. 99Forever Mar 2013 #23

+1000 No more DLC/Third Wayers/Corporate Dems. nt antigop Mar 2013 #32

Yup RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #60

Agreed. Apophis Mar 2013 #87

Amen. No more corporatists and warmongers. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #97

+1000 dflprincess Mar 2013 #128

Clinton/Warren 2016 Helen Reddy Mar 2013 #8

Sold! nt onehandle Mar 2013 #14

Warren/Sebelius 2016 patrice Mar 2013 #133

Understood. n/t Helen Reddy Apr 2013 #152

Oh Goodie, a war hawk who is cozy with the Bushes & defense industry. woohoo. KittyWampus Mar 2013 #11

Oh, goodie -- someone who sold out American workers! YIPPEE!! antigop Mar 2013 #33

Due to the state of the country, her ideology is unacceptably dangerous being dedicated TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #12

I thought it was clear quinnox Mar 2013 #17

I'm in madokie Mar 2013 #13

yup, likewise quinnox Mar 2013 #24

No, it's damn well time we have a president who sticks up for American workers. antigop Mar 2013 #35

Gavin Newsom *whistling* Gavin Newsom Cleita Mar 2013 #66

Yeah, he's beautiful; however, he does have a predilection for juajen Apr 2013 #154

Half irish, eh? No wonder my heart was going pitter patter. Cleita Apr 2013 #156

I'm on the Hillary bandwagon! Laurian Mar 2013 #15

I will back the Democratic candidate for President in 2016, MineralMan Mar 2013 #16

Your last sentence ^^^^^ treestar Mar 2013 #19

2014 is SO important. MineralMan Mar 2013 #21

Amen! treestar Mar 2013 #25

October 26, 1947 (age 65), date of birth treestar Mar 2013 #18

And she's in great shape. Kurovski Mar 2013 #40

blood clot in her head krawhitham Mar 2013 #53

Hasn't that been dissolved? What is the latest? juajen Apr 2013 #155

I won't. She's a foreign-policy failure. She's learned nothing from her IWR days. TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #39

whatever quinnox Mar 2013 #43

SoS was a you scratch my back/I'll scratch yours deal. She was pretty much a figurehead TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #52

It was in Obama's interest to say so - otherwise he is saying HIS policy was a failure. karynnj Mar 2013 #120

She was the most obvious person for the republicans to attack juajen Apr 2013 #158

I said awhile back I wouldn't support her during the primaries... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #44

thank you quinnox Mar 2013 #45

I wouldn't vote for her even if she had the nomination. Marr Mar 2013 #48

Do you place President Obama in that category? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #50

Yes. /nt Marr Mar 2013 #51

Lets not and say we did krawhitham Mar 2013 #49

glad obama is prez but would support clinton Liberal_in_LA Mar 2013 #54

No thanks LittleBlue Mar 2013 #57

Agreed. I would like to see Gavin Newsom run. Cleita Mar 2013 #62

Good idea LittleBlue Mar 2013 #69

Like in the recent past? Yeah, that's gotta change this next election. Cleita Mar 2013 #70

Damn it, she is a Rodham, not a Clinton. She should take back her juajen Apr 2013 #157

I decided I'll back Hillary to the hilt... Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #63

A lot of people in this thread are going to get banned from DU if they don't vote for the nominee. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #74

the Hillary bashers took over my thread quinnox Mar 2013 #75

She polls incredibly well over the leading Republicans: Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #80

I thank you for trying to reason with them... Agschmid Mar 2013 #129

Right now there is no nominee dflprincess Mar 2013 #130

+ 1000. Thank you! nt antigop Mar 2013 #131

I'm not against that. Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #146

I'm OK with moderates. But cowards? No. mainer Mar 2013 #77

wow, what a pile on quinnox Mar 2013 #79

I once loved the idea of Hillary as President. mainer Mar 2013 #81

I'm not, thanks for the explanation quinnox Mar 2013 #83

fact is, some of us hate what she stands for, and who she buckles under for. Whisp Mar 2013 #85

they are not Hillary " HATERS " olddots Mar 2013 #90

IF????? PolitFreak Mar 2013 #86

Whoever it takes to bar the gates of hell and keep the Republicans down there aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2013 #88

I can't back any more DLC corporate politicians, the people can't take much more triangulated Dragonfli Mar 2013 #89

I cannot support another DLC corporate candidate like Clinton ever again. MadHound Mar 2013 #91

Sorry but you may as well give us your pick on 2020, as well. randome Mar 2013 #94

TOTALLY beyurslf Mar 2013 #96

exactly! quinnox Mar 2013 #99

I supported her last time and I will again... cynatnite Mar 2013 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author quinnox Mar 2013 #106

I ma 100% for Hillary to continue the great agenda of President Obama graham4anything Mar 2013 #105

Hillary would be a throwback to Obama's successes. Whisp Mar 2013 #112

Michelle can continue to do that in 2024 and 2028. 2016 is too early for that. graham4anything Mar 2013 #113

Although I really admire Michelle, I just don't think she is a political animal Whisp Mar 2013 #116

I thought you were going to say "if she regularly mentioned kittycats", LOL just1voice Mar 2013 #111

The haters who responded to you make me laugh. stevenleser Mar 2013 #119

Ah, yes ...Add "1" to the "inevitability" meme counter. nt antigop Mar 2013 #124

You remind me of Freepers who think the same joke is just as funny the 1000th time they tell it. stevenleser Mar 2013 #134

At least try and cut out the "inevitability" meme. nt antigop Mar 2013 #136

Nope, that's my belief. if that bothers you, you better find a way to deal. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #140

You"ll just have to deal with my adding to the "inevitability" meme counter when I see it. nt antigop Mar 2013 #141

And you will have to deal with me pointing how freeperesque it is to tell the same joke 1000 times. stevenleser Mar 2013 #148

It's not a joke. nt antigop Mar 2013 #149

and I'll add to the counter every time someone tries to spread the "inevitability" meme. nt antigop Mar 2013 #137

See, that's a little better. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #139

Why does it bother you so much when I call out the "inevitability" meme? Hmmmm????? nt antigop Mar 2013 #143

I already told you, the 1000th time, its not funny anymore. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #147

It's not intended to be funny, but it really seems to bother you when I point it out. nt antigop Mar 2013 #150

She wanted the last one, too. Enough to try to scam it with superdelegates. We stopped her. Poll_Blind Mar 2013 #142

I will only support her if she completely rejects the policies of Obama and her Hubby Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #123

She is far too conservative for me so I won't support a primary campaign Warpy Mar 2013 #126

Way to go Quinnox! MoonRiver Mar 2013 #138

Add "1" to the "inevitability"meme counter. nt antigop Mar 2013 #144

pssst....don't tell anyone.... no one has announced for 2016. nt antigop Mar 2013 #145

I could only support Hillary........ rdharma Mar 2013 #151

Hillary is pure DLC/third-way. nt delrem Apr 2013 #153

k AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #159