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In reply to the discussion: Duped into voting for President Obama? [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)33. It went
"Bonus question? What did FDR do in his second term that caused unemployment to go up, that Obama's been insisting on doing since at least his second year in office?"
...from 25 percent to 17 percent to 22 percent then down to 15 percent, and then climbed back up to 20 percent in his second term.
As We Inch Our Way Toward a Recovery, This is No Time for Caution
by David Woolner
Roosevelt historian David Woolner shines a light on todays issues with lessons from the past.
While most economists would agree that it is important for the Obama administration to work toward bringing the long-term deficit under control, a look at the past reinforces the notion that in the short term what we need now is more stimulus, even if this means increasing the current government deficit.
FDRs initial response to the Great Depression provides an interesting case in point, for Roosevelt came into office as something of a fiscal conservative. In keeping with the fiscal orthodoxy of the time, he called for a balanced budget during his campaign, was reluctant to deficit spend once in office, and even pressed for the successful passage of the 1933 Economy Act as one of his first major pieces of legislation-an act which cut federal spending by nearly 250 million dollars during the first months of his administration.
The unprecedented nature of the economic crisis facing the nation, however, soon led the President to seek additional expenditures in support of recovery programs like the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), which taken together soon outstripped any reductions achieved in the Economy Act. Still, FDRs desire to avoid excessive deficits and to work towards a balanced budget remained. As a consequence, the initial New Deal efforts to stimulate the economy were not as aggressive as many economists now feel they should have been. This argument becomes even more compelling when one takes into consideration the fact that much of the deficit-as is the case today-was due to the fall off in tax revenue that came with the down turn in the economy. In fact, when we factor in the tax increases that FDR instigated as a means to keep the deficit somewhat under control, we see that the Roosevelt Administrations fiscal polices prior to 1935 were not all that different from those pursued by Hoover between 1929 and 1931.
Further evidence of FDRs inherent fiscal conservatism can be seen in his decision to cut federal spending at the start of his second term-a move which resulted in the so called Roosevelt recession of 1937-38 and which led to the first increase in the unemployment rate since his assumption of office in 1933. Stunned by this unfortunate turn of events, FDR began to heed the advice of those who advocated the economic policies of John Maynard Keynes. In 1938, therefore, the President would submit a budget that called for an increase in federal spending but without any concomitant increase in federal taxes. The resulting deficit, the President argued, was necessary to enhance the purchasing power of the nation so as to expand the economy-and the tax revenues that would flow from it-and reduce unemployment.
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http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/we-inch-our-way-toward-recovery-no-time-caution
by David Woolner
Roosevelt historian David Woolner shines a light on todays issues with lessons from the past.
While most economists would agree that it is important for the Obama administration to work toward bringing the long-term deficit under control, a look at the past reinforces the notion that in the short term what we need now is more stimulus, even if this means increasing the current government deficit.
FDRs initial response to the Great Depression provides an interesting case in point, for Roosevelt came into office as something of a fiscal conservative. In keeping with the fiscal orthodoxy of the time, he called for a balanced budget during his campaign, was reluctant to deficit spend once in office, and even pressed for the successful passage of the 1933 Economy Act as one of his first major pieces of legislation-an act which cut federal spending by nearly 250 million dollars during the first months of his administration.
The unprecedented nature of the economic crisis facing the nation, however, soon led the President to seek additional expenditures in support of recovery programs like the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), which taken together soon outstripped any reductions achieved in the Economy Act. Still, FDRs desire to avoid excessive deficits and to work towards a balanced budget remained. As a consequence, the initial New Deal efforts to stimulate the economy were not as aggressive as many economists now feel they should have been. This argument becomes even more compelling when one takes into consideration the fact that much of the deficit-as is the case today-was due to the fall off in tax revenue that came with the down turn in the economy. In fact, when we factor in the tax increases that FDR instigated as a means to keep the deficit somewhat under control, we see that the Roosevelt Administrations fiscal polices prior to 1935 were not all that different from those pursued by Hoover between 1929 and 1931.
Further evidence of FDRs inherent fiscal conservatism can be seen in his decision to cut federal spending at the start of his second term-a move which resulted in the so called Roosevelt recession of 1937-38 and which led to the first increase in the unemployment rate since his assumption of office in 1933. Stunned by this unfortunate turn of events, FDR began to heed the advice of those who advocated the economic policies of John Maynard Keynes. In 1938, therefore, the President would submit a budget that called for an increase in federal spending but without any concomitant increase in federal taxes. The resulting deficit, the President argued, was necessary to enhance the purchasing power of the nation so as to expand the economy-and the tax revenues that would flow from it-and reduce unemployment.
- more -
http://www.rooseveltinstitute.org/new-roosevelt/we-inch-our-way-toward-recovery-no-time-caution
Presidents make mistakes.
Again, the point I made is valid: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2595882
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Nope i was not duped into voting for Obama but really we did not have a choice.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2013
#2
But.but.but..he only did 99.5% of what we want - where's the other half %? Seriously, excellent...
George II
Apr 2013
#43
Sacrilege! You are only supposed to post positive spin in the altar threads!!!
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#34
Some balsa, but to be fair the villains are made of straw, poppits of "haters"
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#58
Went in fully informed. And, continuing to kick the asses of the haters who choose to be blind.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2013
#10
Barack Hussein Obama will go down as one of the greatest presidents this country has ever seen!!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Mar 2013
#14
Unemployment dropped by 40% and GDP grew 9%+ per year during FDR's first term
MannyGoldstein
Mar 2013
#29
thanks for tacitly conceding the validity of my observation and remarks again
stupidicus
Apr 2013
#90
admissions as to your struggles with plain and simple english are welcomed as well
stupidicus
Apr 2013
#94
Not I. Unlike some, I can see both sides. To me, his positives are weighted by what he had to
patrice
Apr 2013
#36
Nope. I tagged him as just another 3rd Way politician when he promised to escalate the war
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2013
#52
I feel duped as hell. I heard him say with my own ears at a rally I attended that he
forestpath
Apr 2013
#55
Common mistake you made, not learning the the 3rd way euphemisms for cutting,
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#62
Yes, in thirdwayspeak, "sacrifice" means it's the poor/middle class/elderly/sick who must suffer.
forestpath
Apr 2013
#65
Never felt duped. I'm as proud of him today as I was when he announced his first run.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2013
#77
Unfortunately I think he'll go down as another Bill Clinton - brilliant man, mediocre president.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2013
#107