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DeschutesRiver

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79. Not true with the ones I've had; perhaps not all are the same in this regard but
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 01:27 PM
Apr 2013

I know for a fact with respect to my german shorthair pointers that this isn't even remotely true for any of the many I've lived with over the decades, whether they were from a breeder directly or from a shelter or a private owner.

There are screwed up GSPs out there, which I would describe exactly as the study does. But it is the result of either breeders continuing to breed a dog when they shouldn't, or owners who screw up how they handle or train these gsps. I recognize the symptoms and won't even adopt a GSP who is acting like that, because you cannot change it usually.

But all the rest? Wonderful, amazing, funny creative dogs who learn how to read your mind. I've never seen a dog who liked to learn as much as any of my GSPs, and the only problem you could ever have is if you didn't continue to teach them new things. I believed and still do that mine taught me that dogs are capable of far far more than most humans expect of them. And I also believe that if an owner doesn't believe a dog is capable of understanding much, then the dog won't keep putting out the effort to learn much or communicate as much as it could if the owner expected more.

And I'm wagering that this is probably true for other breeds as well. I've been around/known so many dogs of many breeds in my decades that do not fit this mold that this has to be a joke/prank? Yes, there are moronic dull witted individual dogs, just like people that I meet. But all of a certain "type" that is called "purebred"? This makes no sense. I can't go read it because of my dialup, so perhaps there is something I've missed.

All I can conclude is that either the limbic system size isn't as directly related to the depth of emotional response/learning as they believe (which I doubt), or their sample size is too small to be meaningful. Or that the dogs whose limbic systems were measured were owned by owners whose expectations were low and thus the dogs never fully developed the capacity that they were born with. Or that there is a purebred breed bias, just as sometimes I see bias in the other direction. I've had mixed breeds which were also capable of much more depth and ability to learn than some people believe possible; well, that is true for any dog.

I dunno - this is just so different from my repeated experiences that I can't even take it seriously. Reminds me of the human cretins who wanted to exterminate people who are not "purebred" - this nonsense about the alleged capacity of most "purebred" beings vs. "mixed" beings is just creepy, whether one is pretending "facts" to apply it to humans they don't like or now apparently to dog breeds they don't like.

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I have never noticed ennui in my wiener dogs. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #1
I have two mini doxies, ennui is not at all a good description of their attitudes Fumesucker Apr 2013 #4
Yes. My dogs' higher purpose is to seek food, cat vomit, bunny turds... TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #5
My dogs must be from the same litter. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #10
But not kitty poop? My mutts just love kitty poop! I had to build a big box to keep them out. SharonAnn Apr 2013 #82
Oh, they love kitty poop. Litter boxes are now in the basement, though, and the stairs TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #83
Catbox Crunchies! 4_TN_TITANS Apr 2013 #89
I have 3 mini-doxies RockaFowler Apr 2013 #32
I can't imagine three dachshunds. I feel like I have enough of a circus with two. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #41
3 mini doxies a kennedy Apr 2013 #53
They are my favorite breed RockaFowler Apr 2013 #63
I have one that's all about eating, sleeping and being in daddy's lap every possible moment Fumesucker Apr 2013 #62
mini doxies.... a kennedy Apr 2013 #52
Might want to keep an eye on it then. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #13
Might even be a little..evil. Yes, will have to watch them closely. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #17
Wiener dogs..... a kennedy Apr 2013 #51
Offer them a copy of some Baudelaire poetry and see what happens. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #87
April Fool! Scuba Apr 2013 #2
Yep! Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #9
Gotta be. mainer Apr 2013 #37
Well, I can tell you my Pit Bull has no rhythm & can't carry a tune. baldguy Apr 2013 #3
Clearly a dog without a soul. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #6
Nonsense! OriginalGeek Apr 2013 #88
My cocker spaniel's got soul he can't control Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #7
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #8
Sheesh. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #11
Typical response from a purebred owner. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #12
I own purebreds, but I still have a sense of humor. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #26
Dogs without feelings are no laughing matter, Sir. nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #27
... Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #28
lol octothorpe Apr 2013 #69
Please notice the story doesn't say ALL purebred dogs... Silent3 Apr 2013 #14
True, but there is now scientific proof that purebreds are predisposed to this problem. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #15
Just so you know, I wasn't responding to you in particular... Silent3 Apr 2013 #19
Glad you understand the problem. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #20
BALL BALL BALL get the red out Apr 2013 #16
Mixed breeds know their priorities. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #18
Our GSD is more "Ball, Food, Bullystick" woodsprite Apr 2013 #43
I don't know about the study, but my purebred beagle has plenty of "soul". n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #21
You doubt Canadian science? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #22
Well, my dog isn't Canadian, maybe that's the issue. n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #64
what a bunch of horseshit baloney. pnwest Apr 2013 #23
I just have to be honest.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #25
April Fools Yourself. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #47
My bullmastiffs have been incredibly empathetic and are able to communicate their feelings byeya Apr 2013 #24
Perhaps your dogs aren't as pure as you think. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #29
Got all the AKC papers and the breeder, who only handles 4 litters per year, is well regarded in dog byeya Apr 2013 #72
OK, you got me. That was naughty - funny - but naughty! LOL byeya Apr 2013 #74
Much obliged. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #75
With me you can - I have a poor memory. byeya Apr 2013 #91
I wonder how they controlled for Lack of Socialization with Puppy Mills? IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #30
Well, according to the study, it's internal. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #31
I know that if you don't socialize a puppy at week five, they have all kinds of issues. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #36
I should have refreshed the thread before writing my post! csziggy Apr 2013 #49
Stupid April Fool's Joke. Grrr. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #54
If my dog was any more attached to me she'd be a tumor. bunnies Apr 2013 #33
Hey, take it up with the University of Waterloo. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #35
ewwww. lol.. elehhhhna Apr 2013 #85
I wonder how many of the purebred dogs were from puppy farms csziggy Apr 2013 #34
I said the same thing. Anybody familiar with rescue IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #38
You could be looking at a combination of both. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #39
I'm pretty sure this is an April Fool's Day gag, folks. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #40
Haha! It was awfully odd. tblue Apr 2013 #80
Oh, FFS - April Freaking Fools! IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #42
* Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #45
We did rescue - 87 puppies went through my house before my children were born. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #50
Sigh UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #44
Link does not work for me Gothmog Apr 2013 #46
My purebred Papillon has more "soul" than most humans. Autumn Apr 2013 #48
I love dogs, but "sense of greater purpose" should not be used in the same sentence. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #55
Defects are magnified with continued pure breeding. tabasco Apr 2013 #56
Horse Feathers! Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #57
more goddam mixed-breed snobbery, dammit! KG Apr 2013 #58
AWWW You should meet my Fang... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #103
Good grief, I'm a dog lover and I thought this was hilarious mainer Apr 2013 #59
You mean Assistant Professor of Veterinary Sociology Dr. Danny Myshrall didn't throw you off? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #60
Kinda like the rich interbreeding with the rich to keep it rich ...with the same results. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #61
Our Golden Retreivers Muffy & Biff have been on Prozac for 7 months now ...... olddots Apr 2013 #65
That explains what is wrong with my collie. I got him from a shelter and the only emotion he appleannie1 Apr 2013 #66
Sig lines, sig lines, sig lines. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #67
The more dogs mixed into one, the better the dog. MineralMan Apr 2013 #68
There is no such field as veterinary "sociology", LOL. Happy April Fool's Day to you! kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #70
But there will be! If there's money and tenure in it, and dupes the gullible like me, then we shall byeya Apr 2013 #73
Oh fucking bullshit. talkingmime Apr 2013 #71
Horse feathers! My Toy Poodle is smart, affectionate, energetic,etc. I have owned a mutt, and patricia92243 Apr 2013 #76
Sounds like purebreeds are being bred to be more catlike. Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #77
weil done T-Boy AngryAmish Apr 2013 #78
Not true with the ones I've had; perhaps not all are the same in this regard but DeschutesRiver Apr 2013 #79
My dog says they're obviously cat people Progressive dog Apr 2013 #81
Our family dogs are a mutt and a yellow Lab. Cleita Apr 2013 #84
mutts are healthier BainsBane Apr 2013 #86
Awww! Such a cute baby! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #94
Thanks! BainsBane Apr 2013 #97
All of my Golden Retrievers were happy, healthy dogs! In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #90
Smells like bullshit. GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #92
The research is caca LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #93
But the "designer" mixed-breeds are, by definition, not purebreds. pnwmom Apr 2013 #95
April Fool's or plain baloney. They measured canine "ennui?" DirkGently Apr 2013 #96
Well, it's comforting to know that if the Republican party does disappear, winter is coming Apr 2013 #98
"Where is Busy Bee? You forgot Busy Bee!" izzybeans Apr 2013 #99
Good one! RiffRandell Apr 2013 #104
Sorry no dice if these results could be reproduced and proven outside this study I may give it Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #100
Not in MY experience. elleng Apr 2013 #101
Link doesn't work, and I suspect an April fools joke. drm604 Apr 2013 #102
Danny Myshrall? Dr. Strange Apr 2013 #105
Yup, THAT Dr. Danny Myshrall Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #106
What hogwash. beevul Apr 2013 #107
It was indeed hogwash. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #108
Hook line and sinker lol. beevul Apr 2013 #109
I'm sure they are adorable. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #110
Life would not be the same without them. beevul Apr 2013 #111
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