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ProgressiveProfessor

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22. Current Federal laws are pretty clear

Mon Apr 1, 2013, 10:21 PM

Apr 2013

If the firearms are allowed in the originating and destination states, there is a right for innocent passage. They have to be locked up /inoperable etc. Seems reasonable to me.

There are no restrictions for legal drugs as you suggest, only illegal ones, where mere possession is already a crime. I don't think its a viable analogy since drugs are controlled at the national level. Maybe some agricultural items or pets would be a better approach (ferrets are allowed in some states, not in others)

I have not always known 90 days ahead of time where I was going to be living next (military) and given some of the economic transients we have today, that number is larger not smaller.

If we had some form of national standards, national registration would work, but then Wyoming would have to agree to tougher standards and California weaker ones.

The key here is the state and local regulations make for such an uneven playing field that what you suggest is not practical. Compare Utah to Washington DC for example.

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Why not this for a state gun control law to slow gun trafficking? [View all] UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 OP

And if an possessor of a gun doesn't abide by the rule, then what? NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #1

"And if a possessor of a gun doesn't abide by the rule, then what?" UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #3

You bravely ran away, away Kolesar Apr 2013 #42

ok NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #52

don't all rules depend on compliance? an argument to not have any laws. spanone Apr 2013 #57

and irresponsibly drivers drove drunk in bigger numbers before we started getting CTyankee Apr 2013 #94

It would be in conflict with Federal laws for one thing ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #2

There of course would be provisions for guns UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #14

Current Federal laws are pretty clear ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #22

All gun sales should be as heavily taxed percentage-wise, as cigarettes. And as heavily registered.. onehandle Apr 2013 #4

Tobacco is a vice, and not mentioned in the Bill of Rights. nt NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #6

'Well Regulated.' onehandle Apr 2013 #7

That talking point is well debunked ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #24

Your debunking has been debunked... 99Forever Apr 2013 #103

I will see your debunk and raise you several Supreme Court decisions ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #112

Bull. 99Forever Apr 2013 #119

That would impede poor folks living in poor neighborhoods golfguru Apr 2013 #10

Unicorn. onehandle Apr 2013 #13

You know that stuff is probably like 50% horse. n/t Kurska Apr 2013 #17

It certainly tastes like horse. nt onehandle Apr 2013 #18

Obey? Kurska Apr 2013 #11

I'm a film fan. Good and bad. onehandle Apr 2013 #20

It is already illegal to say, take a handgun into new york city. Kurska Apr 2013 #5

No, the OP wants to make it triple special super duper illegal. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #8

Yes. VERY illegal. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #9

If it is felony it already counts toward existing 3 strike laws. n/t Kurska Apr 2013 #12

Different felonies carry different penalties. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #29

There is zero reason for you to know... Sharpie Apr 2013 #55

Did I say I think your house should be searched? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #58

Zero tolerance like teen drinking. Like the checkpoints for produce in California. graham4anything Apr 2013 #19

"zero tolerance"..such a liberal concept it is.. pipoman Apr 2013 #51

Its all the rage in Bloomies office. They use it for so many things ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #81

The answer is mini-parks cropping up like ones that keep pervs out-it's the newest trend graham4anything Apr 2013 #85

More like raging egotistical Mike, the classic 1%er ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #113

Yeah! You could could catch all the illegal arms dealers while they wait in line geckosfeet Apr 2013 #15

If they don't wait in line to register the gun UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #21

Jeezuz. It just isn't clicking tonight is it? geckosfeet Apr 2013 #26

Then why have any laws at all? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #32

You sure aren't going to catch a criminal by making more rules for him to ignore. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #39

You don't think criminals are aware of the laws but they are. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #43

You don't get it. But that's ok. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #96

How are you going to catch them? nt hack89 Apr 2013 #27

Then why have any laws at all? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #34

Why not have effective laws if we are going to have laws at all? hack89 Apr 2013 #37

I think a minimum of 5 years in prison for UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #45

Can we keep the conversation bounded by political and social reality? hack89 Apr 2013 #47

I didn't say universal. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #50

Easily doable. Like NY. Just need enough people to agree with you. jmg257 Apr 2013 #66

Why not simply increase the punishment for illegal gun trafficking? hack89 Apr 2013 #88

Because it's leagle to straw purchase as many guns as you want UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #89

Straw purchases by definition are crimes hack89 Apr 2013 #90

Still, you can buy as many guns as you want. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #91

Depends on the state. Some have a 1 gun/handgun per time period limitation. ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #115

Or, gun smuggling becomes even more profitable (and violent) than it is now. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #31

How so? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #35

maybe handguns should have a tracking device implanted in them like cell phones do putitinD Apr 2013 #16

Wholly bananas. Cell phones are electonic devices with huge infrastructures supporting geckosfeet Apr 2013 #23

Don't you be going all practical on us and stuff nt ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #28

I was thinking of something more like an RFID chip, don't we have the technology putitinD Apr 2013 #46

Metal blocks RFID ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #62

If I am legally carrying why should a cop care? geckosfeet Apr 2013 #97

Hard to do since few guns include an electrical power source. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #25

There you go nit picking perfectly noble and well intended screeds ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #30

What would you have to do to enforce the law? rrneck Apr 2013 #33

I'm talking about unregistered guns here. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #38

What's an "unregistered" gun? Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #41

I meant to say unregistered hand gun. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #48

Yes it would. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #54

I'm not talking about federal law. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #56

You're talking about firearms trafficking. rrneck Apr 2013 #49

Your making harder than it should be. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #53

Do you park your car in your living room? rrneck Apr 2013 #59

Oh, now. rrneck Apr 2013 #61

Live in a state where you don't have to register your hand gun. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #63

Reread your OP. rrneck Apr 2013 #64

I'm not asking for a federal law. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #67

Okay. rrneck Apr 2013 #68

There's a mandatory minimum of 5 years in prison UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #72

I don't think so. rrneck Apr 2013 #73

I'm saying they should be as afraid of being caught with an unregistered gun UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #75

I appreciate your passion rrneck Apr 2013 #77

Real good idea to get the illegal gun BEFORE it used to shoot someone though, right? nt jmg257 Apr 2013 #93

Well, rrneck Apr 2013 #98

Sure it is - you simply allow people an easy method to avoid making it illegal. jmg257 Apr 2013 #105

How easy is it? rrneck Apr 2013 #111

Several states require handgun registration, licensing etc. Why is that such jmg257 Apr 2013 #69

Plenty of people still get shot in those states. rrneck Apr 2013 #71

NP - Read that. I agree with the OP - you are making it way too complicated. jmg257 Apr 2013 #92

Statistics I never see... rrneck Apr 2013 #107

Handgun registration/licensing has been in existence in NY long before Bloomberg came to power. jmg257 Apr 2013 #110

We don't really need more data. rrneck Apr 2013 #114

I agree there is no direct correlation between guns and crime. jmg257 Apr 2013 #116

Same here. rrneck Apr 2013 #117

Peace - and it was good - thanks! jmg257 Apr 2013 #120

Have you tried that in WashDC? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #80

Would all traffic stops require mandatory searches for potentially unregistered guns? X_Digger Apr 2013 #65

That happens with a lot of crimes. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #70

The point is that without some new power to search, it would be rather difficult to enforce. X_Digger Apr 2013 #74

Already answered that question in this thread. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #78

You appear to have dodged it. Care to point me to it? n/t X_Digger Apr 2013 #83

How do cops in NYC recover thousands & thousands of illegal guns every year? Are they jmg257 Apr 2013 #95

Are you at all familiar with 'Stop and Frisk'? X_Digger Apr 2013 #100

So - they don't in fact need some new special powers? Thanks. jmg257 Apr 2013 #101

That was one year (2011). X_Digger Apr 2013 #106

Ahh - my apologies, those were 2007 recovery numbers! I'll edit post above. jmg257 Apr 2013 #108

Message auto-removed tom2255 Apr 2013 #36

They'll catch on. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #40

Anyone who would refuse to register their gun is probably already kudzu22 Apr 2013 #99

I'm not so sure. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #102

Your subject line does not make any sense Kolesar Apr 2013 #44

Honest people will follow your law. Dishonest people will not. That's the problem with many ... spin Apr 2013 #76

So you don't think any laws for any crimes in this country should be changed? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #79

Of course laws often need to be changed. ... spin Apr 2013 #84

Works with Drugs! green for victory Apr 2013 #82

Criminals obey laws? ileus Apr 2013 #86

Good point. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #87

What, you're going to stop and search every single person at the border? MadHound Apr 2013 #104

I know one DU member premium Apr 2013 #109

Unconstitutional. Would conflict with the federal law that protects interstate travel with firearms. slackmaster Apr 2013 #118