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In reply to the discussion: Why not this for a state gun control law to slow gun trafficking? [View all]rrneck
(17,671 posts)49. You're talking about firearms trafficking.
"All guns that are transported into a state that has passed this law must be registered with the state before being transported across the state line."
But it doesn't matter. It's the same problem.
Why register a gun that will never be used in a crime? How will you enforce your registration scheme? I haven't seen anyone suggest how that will work yet. As I recall the proposed legislation doesn't have any enforcement provisions at all. If you want to enforce firearms trafficking across state lines, you will have to give the state the right to search cars for contraband. If you want to enforce firearms registration you will need to document chain of custody and enforce it, which means access to where the records and firearms are stored, which in that case would be somebody's home.
There is already a system for the documentation of chain of custody in place which is about as good as it can be. If you want to register every gun and ensure proper transfer you will be turning every gun owner in the country (about eighty million of them) into gun dealers. If straw purchases are a problem now, wait until the state assumes responsibility for each and every transfer. Don't you ever wonder how many guns don't get sold because the seller didn't like the looks of the buyer? If there has to be a background check, the seller is absolved of responsibility. If a guy who sells guns for a living can't spot a straw purchaser, a private individual won't have a chance. The end result will probably be more straw purchasers, an unworkable and unpopular law, more illegal guns on the street, and the political wilderness for Democrats.
But it doesn't matter. It's the same problem.
Why register a gun that will never be used in a crime? How will you enforce your registration scheme? I haven't seen anyone suggest how that will work yet. As I recall the proposed legislation doesn't have any enforcement provisions at all. If you want to enforce firearms trafficking across state lines, you will have to give the state the right to search cars for contraband. If you want to enforce firearms registration you will need to document chain of custody and enforce it, which means access to where the records and firearms are stored, which in that case would be somebody's home.
There is already a system for the documentation of chain of custody in place which is about as good as it can be. If you want to register every gun and ensure proper transfer you will be turning every gun owner in the country (about eighty million of them) into gun dealers. If straw purchases are a problem now, wait until the state assumes responsibility for each and every transfer. Don't you ever wonder how many guns don't get sold because the seller didn't like the looks of the buyer? If there has to be a background check, the seller is absolved of responsibility. If a guy who sells guns for a living can't spot a straw purchaser, a private individual won't have a chance. The end result will probably be more straw purchasers, an unworkable and unpopular law, more illegal guns on the street, and the political wilderness for Democrats.
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Why not this for a state gun control law to slow gun trafficking? [View all]
UnrepentantLiberal
Apr 2013
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and irresponsibly drivers drove drunk in bigger numbers before we started getting
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#94
All gun sales should be as heavily taxed percentage-wise, as cigarettes. And as heavily registered..
onehandle
Apr 2013
#4
I will see your debunk and raise you several Supreme Court decisions
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2013
#112
Zero tolerance like teen drinking. Like the checkpoints for produce in California.
graham4anything
Apr 2013
#19
Its all the rage in Bloomies office. They use it for so many things
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2013
#81
The answer is mini-parks cropping up like ones that keep pervs out-it's the newest trend
graham4anything
Apr 2013
#85
Yeah! You could could catch all the illegal arms dealers while they wait in line
geckosfeet
Apr 2013
#15
You sure aren't going to catch a criminal by making more rules for him to ignore.
geckosfeet
Apr 2013
#39
Depends on the state. Some have a 1 gun/handgun per time period limitation.
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2013
#115
Or, gun smuggling becomes even more profitable (and violent) than it is now.
Llewlladdwr
Apr 2013
#31
maybe handguns should have a tracking device implanted in them like cell phones do
putitinD
Apr 2013
#16
Wholly bananas. Cell phones are electonic devices with huge infrastructures supporting
geckosfeet
Apr 2013
#23
I was thinking of something more like an RFID chip, don't we have the technology
putitinD
Apr 2013
#46
There you go nit picking perfectly noble and well intended screeds
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2013
#30
I'm saying they should be as afraid of being caught with an unregistered gun
UnrepentantLiberal
Apr 2013
#75
Real good idea to get the illegal gun BEFORE it used to shoot someone though, right? nt
jmg257
Apr 2013
#93
Sure it is - you simply allow people an easy method to avoid making it illegal.
jmg257
Apr 2013
#105
Handgun registration/licensing has been in existence in NY long before Bloomberg came to power.
jmg257
Apr 2013
#110
Would all traffic stops require mandatory searches for potentially unregistered guns?
X_Digger
Apr 2013
#65
The point is that without some new power to search, it would be rather difficult to enforce.
X_Digger
Apr 2013
#74
How do cops in NYC recover thousands & thousands of illegal guns every year? Are they
jmg257
Apr 2013
#95
Honest people will follow your law. Dishonest people will not. That's the problem with many ...
spin
Apr 2013
#76
So you don't think any laws for any crimes in this country should be changed?
UnrepentantLiberal
Apr 2013
#79
Unconstitutional. Would conflict with the federal law that protects interstate travel with firearms.
slackmaster
Apr 2013
#118