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SheilaT

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87. I often like to say that we live in a big, wonderful country
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 11:02 PM
Apr 2013

with fifty wonderful states.

There are some states you couldn't pay me to live in, but I'm not going to bother to name them here, because there are folks on DU who live in those states and absolutely adore them. And those people probably wouldn't want to live in any of my favorite places.

So there.

But I do agree that only using taxes or the idea that a particular place being low cost as your only (or even main) reason to move there isn't a very good idea. First of all, you really do tend to get what you pay for. Second, even a lot of supposedly high-cost places can really be quite affordable. I live in Santa Fe, and all my co-workers who commute from Albuquerque are absolutely convinced this is far too expensive a city to live in. Remind me what the current cost of gasoline is. And even if gasoline were ten cents a gallon, for me time spent commuting is time I'd rather be doing something else.

I no longer have school age children, but when I did the quality of schools was very important to me. Oddly enough, the taxes to support those schools is something too many people don't want to pay. And too many retired people are of the opinion that now that their kids are grown, why should they have to pay school taxes? Likewise, too many without children feel the same way. Well, we all benefit from good public schools. I'm very happy to pay those taxes. Too bad I can't opt out of the ones that go to war expenses. But that's another topic entirely.

Climate matters. Personally, I'm not fond of hot summers, and when I was planning to relocate after my divorce five years ago, I decided that I would never again live in a place where I had to have a/c in the summer. And while I understand that a lot of people aren't crazy about cold and snowy winters, let me tell you that anyone that tries to convince you that Santa Fe has a cold and snowy winter simply has never been to any place with a real winter. Like Boulder, or Utica NY, or Minneapolis, all places I've also lived in.

However, as much as I've liked living here, there are things that will eventually drive me away. One is the incredible political corruption. It's really bad. Another is the rather lackadaisical attitude toward getting very much done. Another is the lack of decent public transportation, and that when it does actually snow, they do a really crappy job of snow removal. I keep on reminding myself that no place is actually, literally perfect, but there are lots of great places to live. Taxes are only a small part of the equation.

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I think they are just in alphatetical order el_bryanto Apr 2013 #1
What kinds of services are you talking about? Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #45
Social services for the most part alarimer Apr 2013 #76
It seems that social services are being cut just about everywhere Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #77
As a ' Yankee', I would never consider moving to the South Trajan Apr 2013 #2
You do realize that Knoxville, TN isn't that much different Fawke Em Apr 2013 #4
No, people like that can't see that through their cordelia Apr 2013 #5
I lived in the Ozarks for 15 months Trajan Apr 2013 #9
Depends on where you are in the South Spider Jerusalem Apr 2013 #21
Austin. eom ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2013 #99
I'm married to a liberal atheist man of Jewish background who's from Fawke Em Apr 2013 #22
Well ... Trajan Apr 2013 #29
Maybe he's just better at it than you... Sharpie Apr 2013 #30
Maybe he is a cultural masochist ... Trajan Apr 2013 #40
Any person who leans left and lives in the South is a Masochist? Sharpie Apr 2013 #41
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #42
It's amazing with social and conversation skills... Sharpie Apr 2013 #46
As someone who spent many years living in both rural and VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #62
I prefer chocolate and cherry. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #65
You just weren't looking in the right place... Sharpie Apr 2013 #73
I lived there for years and years VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #80
Or maybe he's more tolerant. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #64
As I understand it there's some pretty conservative areas justiceischeap Apr 2013 #6
There are ... indeed ... Trajan Apr 2013 #10
Vermont. Every county voted for Obama both in 2008 and 2012. cali Apr 2013 #15
I would love to live in Vermont. mercymechap Apr 2013 #28
That's true! Yo_Mama Apr 2013 #57
I lived in Springfield MO ... Trajan Apr 2013 #11
Springfield is not liberal Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #17
Mine was a relative statement Trajan Apr 2013 #18
I'm well aware what your statement was Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #19
Fire and brimstone in Springfield Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #37
Well ... I was being generous I suppose Trajan Apr 2013 #38
I spent considerable time in Missouri Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #43
We visited MSSU while there Trajan Apr 2013 #44
MSSU (Missouri Southern State University) is in Joplin Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #47
I agree. Big cities in the south are voting blue. Even in conservative South Carolina, bluestate10 Apr 2013 #52
I am FROM SC VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #81
Not from my experience...Are you just talking about Charleston? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #82
Except that the minimum wage in Oregon is higher Horse with no Name Apr 2013 #78
That is possibly the most blatant lie I've ever seen written on DU. Knoxville, TN and Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #90
Same here nt LiberalEsto Apr 2013 #8
Hmm... my Southern-educated son is in the 99th Fawke Em Apr 2013 #23
Yes there are exceptions to the rule ....with those IQ stats you should understand that! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #83
I do, but I hate the broadbrush stroke. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #91
Well if the people of the south don't like broad brush strokes... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #95
I don't know any Southerner who lives up to your accusations. Fawke Em Apr 2013 #96
They call it the War of Northern Aggression not the Civil War. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #97
That's a joke! Fawke Em Apr 2013 #98
OH no it is most certainly NOT a joke my friend VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #100
by the way....have you noticed that SC STILL has the Confederate flag (flag war) in front of the VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #101
Also do you know that they celebrated the 150th anniversary of the Civil War VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #102
and here: VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #103
I moved from Cleveland 21 years ago... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #36
I live in a place where people's kids are ostracised because their parents are atheists alarimer Apr 2013 #79
totally agree with you! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2013 #84
Cheaper isn't always the least expensive. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2013 #3
Less in taxes usually mean EC Apr 2013 #7
I can assure that we have all those services down here dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #51
LOL, yet there they are on the Sadness Belt Glitterati Apr 2013 #12
Everyone has their own measurement of "happiness" dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #14
These measures were pretty universal Glitterati Apr 2013 #16
Mine is one of the highest tax states. cali Apr 2013 #13
I will support my DU southern friends politically. But I love my New England state. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #56
And skiing ... eom Kolesar Apr 2013 #66
Washington would seem wonderful. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #20
Do they have electricity there yet? talkingmime Apr 2013 #24
In Washington? You betcha. Shrike47 Apr 2013 #31
If my state was any lower cost I'd be homeless n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #25
I like it where I am. JNelson6563 Apr 2013 #26
If I had enough money, dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #69
Alabama or Alaska? quinnox Apr 2013 #27
Aw, come on, it's not that bad. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #48
Not true any longer.. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #67
Mississippi's cost of living is comparable to Alabama's LuvNewcastle Apr 2013 #32
Well, maybe Oxford? dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #34
The town of Oxford is okay; I lived there LuvNewcastle Apr 2013 #39
Between Katrina and BP, the coast is pretty much out of my range now. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #85
Huntsville Alabama was okay 15 years ago olddots Apr 2013 #33
Still good. It sits in the knowledge belt of Alabama, and even the nation. nt bluestate10 Apr 2013 #59
Cost of living is important, BUT SoCalDem Apr 2013 #35
Low taxes + low pay doesn't alwasy pencil out well bhikkhu Apr 2013 #49
Alaska is nowhere near being a low-cost state jmowreader Apr 2013 #50
At one time I was considering Alaska dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #53
After reading these replies, all I have to say is "Nice try, dg". liberaltrucker Apr 2013 #54
I know where you mean, up there. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #72
I'll be back one day liberaltrucker Apr 2013 #86
Texas has no state income tax. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 #55
me, too. but it has to be in the west. you know. oregon, washintonn, colorado. seabeyond Apr 2013 #58
I hear you. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #75
Good for you DG. But I love living in New England. I love being one hour away from bluestate10 Apr 2013 #60
Well I can say I have lived all over the world and even across the united states basically southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #61
So, let me ask you this, in how many of these places all over the nation and the world that you have Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #89
Yeah I know. Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2013 #93
In this world you always will have bigots because they refuse to expand their minds. It is my southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #94
I'm in Florida madville Apr 2013 #63
and I think Fla. has a homestead act??? dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #71
Pennsylvania does not tax retirement pensions or clothing Kolesar Apr 2013 #68
"My next state will be one with no prohibition against pot". dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #70
Food is high in this tiny town away from the big cities dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #74
I often like to say that we live in a big, wonderful country SheilaT Apr 2013 #87
Yeah sure, but you still have to live in Alabama. A truly lovely place for those keen on shooting, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #88
another Dixie vs Yankee thread? DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #92
My version of low cost has excellent rail mass transit to get all around where I live so no car is stevenleser Apr 2013 #104
not really. I love WA. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #105
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